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[basilio]

2021 prediction:
Biden will become President without much fuss.

Nothing has happened to Trump previously because majority of it was bs or overblown.
This is the exact reason why the vote conspiracies are doing so well. There has been an utter line of bs during his presidency to take him down. Obvious media bias. And super kook conspiracies. It now seems to be being repaid in kind. Which is a bloody waste of time. Its no wonder that people think the vote was rigged.

He is gone. Most right wing pundits have already moved on. He has no chance of staying.

Drop the dribble till after January

Che ? In all that dribble you managed to totally avoid Trump spending an hour on the telephone attempting to strongarm the Georgian Secretary of State into overturning the election results by finding 11,700 extra Trump votes from ...anywhere he can ?

As if. somehow, this never happened and in any case meant nothing or in fact Trump is absolutely right to demand another term !!!!

Truly Moxjo you should be on the Trump front line in Congress. Priceless and breathtaking..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

[bellenuit]

Interesting.....

 

[moXJO]

Che ? In all that dribble you managed to totally avoid Trump spending an hour on the telephone attempting to strongarm the Georgian Secretary of State into overturning the election results by finding 11,700 extra Trump votes from ...anywhere he can ?

As if. somehow, this never happened and in any case meant nothing or in fact Trump is absolutely right to demand another term !!!!

Truly Moxjo you should be on the Trump front line in Congress. Priceless and breathtaking..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

You have 4.5 minutes of a 35 minute phone call.
If there is something illegal in there then the lawyers will be at him or they will impeach.
I doubt Biden is going to spend his first term doing that. But we have 4 and a half minutes leaked or (edited to 4 minutes). So please excuse me if I don't jump on another "get Trump" bandwagon.


And this bs that this election was clean, spare me.
We had laws rushed through for vote by mail.
We had Facebook pumping $400mill into specific districts (which I'm sure is against the 2002 voting act). And a whole list of other crap. There's a reason people are up in arms. Its a long list.

Trump lost Bas. The way he is fighting he may just be in some kind of trouble. But he is indeed gone. Wait till after he is turfed, I'm sure they will finally pin him with something and bring on a bloody civil war.

But get those last posts in cause he is gone very soon.

 

[SirRumpole]

2021 prediction:
Biden will become President without much fuss.

Nothing has happened to Trump previously because majority of it was bs or overblown.
This is the exact reason why the vote conspiracies are doing so well. There has been an utter line of bs during his presidency to take him down. Obvious media bias. And super kook conspiracies. It now seems to be being repaid in kind. Which is a bloody waste of time. Its no wonder that people think the vote was rigged.

He is gone. Most right wing pundits have already moved on. He has no chance of staying.

Drop the dribble till after January

He will be turfed out of the White House for sure, the question is can he pardon himself from all the travesties that he has committed including the latest attempt to rig the election in his favour.

The thing is, even if he did win Georgia he still hasn't got enough electoral college votes to win, so why bother ?

Simply because he's a megalomaniac who can't accept defeat.

 

[basilio]

I agree Moxjo. The place to settle all this brouhaha is in the Courts.
Trump, Meadows and co. need to have the opportunity to present on oath their allegations of stunning electoral fraud and the evidence to back it up.

To date Trumps claims of election malfeasance have been refuted step by step by the Georgian election officials. With regard to Trumps liability...


Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Marymount University, said it's "very possible" the president violated federal law and probably broke Georgia state law.

"It mostly turns on what the president honestly believe at this point, and the only choices aren't great," he told CBS News. "So either he understands reality and knows that there are not 11,800 ballots sitting somewhere that are Trump votes and weren't counted in recounts and audits, in which case he committed a crime. If he actually understands the true nature of the world, if he can discern fact from fiction, he probably committed a crime."

But, "if he doesn't, then we've got a chief executive who is still in power for 16.5 days who cannot reliably distinguish between fact and fiction based on the information he receives," Levitt continued.

"That's not a great consolation prize," he said, adding there is "plenty" in Mr. Trump's call with Raffensperger "that is alarmingly indicative that the president can't tell fact from fiction, that he has bought into his own conspiracy theories."

"Yet the president persists": Georgia's top election official refutes Trump claims

"This is all easily, provably false," Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling said as he debunked multiple false claims of vote fraud.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[moXJO]

I agree Moxjo. The place to settle all this brouhaha is in the Courts.
Trump, Meadows and co. need to have the opportunity to present on oath their allegations of stunning electoral fraud and the evidence to back it up.

To date Trumps claims of election malfeasance have been refuted step by step by the Georgian election officials. With regard to Trumps liability...


Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Marymount University, said it's "very possible" the president violated federal law and probably broke Georgia state law.

"It mostly turns on what the president honestly believe at this point, and the only choices aren't great," he told CBS News. "So either he understands reality and knows that there are not 11,800 ballots sitting somewhere that are Trump votes and weren't counted in recounts and audits, in which case he committed a crime. If he actually understands the true nature of the world, if he can discern fact from fiction, he probably committed a crime."

But, "if he doesn't, then we've got a chief executive who is still in power for 16.5 days who cannot reliably distinguish between fact and fiction based on the information he receives," Levitt continued.

"That's not a great consolation prize," he said, adding there is "plenty" in Mr. Trump's call with Raffensperger "that is alarmingly indicative that the president can't tell fact from fiction, that he has bought into his own conspiracy theories."

"Yet the president persists": Georgia's top election official refutes Trump claims

"This is all easily, provably false," Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling said as he debunked multiple false claims of vote fraud.

www.cbsnews.com

The fact he believes he won is actually defense for the above call. It would make it very hard to prosecute. 16 days to go or something anyway.

 

[basilio]

The fact he believes he won is actually defense for the above call. It would make it very hard to prosecute. 16 days to go or something anyway.

I see your points Moxjo and they have been made.
1) No point prosecuting Trump in the next 16 days. Plenty of time after he leaves office
2) If in fact Trump truly believes he won the election then criminal insanity would be the most appropriate plea.

NPR researched a wide range of legal views on the possible outcomes of the call.The insanity clause was up there.
(For some reason the link to the article below doesn't seem to stick.. If you want to read the article see the NPR website)
Trump's Call To Georgia Election Officials Sparks Debate Over Legality, Ethic

January 4, 202112:16 PM ET

 

[moXJO]

I see your points Moxjo and they have been made.
1) No point prosecuting Trump in the next 16 days. Plenty of time after he leaves office
2) If in fact Trump truly believes he won the election then criminal insanity would be the most appropriate plea.

NPR researched a wide range of legal views on the possible outcomes of the call.The insanity clause was up there.
(For some reason the link to the article below doesn't seem to stick.. If you want to read the article see the NPR website)
Trump's Call To Georgia Election Officials Sparks Debate Over Legality, Ethic

January 4, 202112:16 PM ET

The other thing: does Biden want to start his term at war with Trumps base?
They can go hard at Trump, but there is a danger in that. The optics throughout Trumps term was that the swamp was out to get him. Democrats are already at war with the far left.

I would say if they genuinely want to normalise voter relations, that they will move forward and keep Trump out of the media spotlight. The last thing they want to do is make a martyr out of him. And Trumps speciality is sht fights.
They need the middle and working class.

 

[moXJO]

Full audio is here:
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...nsperger-election/6F7PDHDFDVCNTD3E76V7PIZWII/

I haven't listened to it as I don't really care. But I'm sure it will be picked apart over the coming days. It was actually an hour not 35 minutes or whatever I thought it was.

 

[basilio]

The other thing: does Biden want to start his term at war with Trumps base?
They can go hard at Trump, but there is a danger in that. The optics throughout Trumps term was that the swamp was out to get him. Democrats are already at war with the far left.

I would say if they genuinely want to normalise voter relations, that they will move forward and keep Trump out of the media spotlight. The last thing they want to do is make a martyr out of him. And Trumps speciality is sht fights.
They need the middle and working class.

I agree that Biden shouldn't go after Trump. Totally wrong.

But if there is to be some sort of normalising in the US I believe Trump and his followers have to have the opportunity in court to present their case for widespread fraud and the evidence behind it.

If this is found to be true then clearly there has been the biggest failure in the US electoral system in history. The election results should be reversed.

If on the other hand there has been no widespread fraud that could have turned the election Trumps followers need to be told that. In my view the only person who has the capacity to acknowledge such an error is Donald Trump himself. Just my opinion.

 

[moXJO]

I agree that Biden shouldn't go after Trump. Totally wrong.

But if there is to be some sort of normalising in the US I believe Trump and his followers have to have the opportunity in court to present their case for widespread fraud and the evidence behind it.

If this is found to be true then clearly there has been the biggest failure in the US electoral system in history. The election results should be reversed.

If on the other hand there has been no widespread fraud that could have turned the election Trumps followers need to be told that. In my view the only person who has the capacity to acknowledge such an error is Donald Trump himself. Just my opinion.

The rabid Trump followers are similar to antifa in that they want to tear the system down. You can present whatever you like but beliefs are generally ingrained in people.
That covid hit and changed the way the election was run during Trump is something that can't be changed. Didn't happen under Obama, bush or Clinton. So that's the view of a lot of those on the right.


People want change. But the only way you would get it is to fire every politician and start from scratch. I suppose that's why revolutions come along.

 

[bellenuit]

The thing is, even if he did win Georgia he still hasn't got enough electoral college votes to win, so why bother ?

Yes, indeed, Unless he made similar phone calls to the state governors and elected officials in the other states he is disputing. It seems that Georgia intended to not release the tapes unless Trump publicly denounced (or something like that) the Georgia governor after that conversation, which he then did. It is very likely he has been pressuring every state involved, we just do not have the tapes of the conversations.

 

[bellenuit]

I agree that Biden shouldn't go after Trump. Totally wrong.

I agree, if you mean Biden personally, as in some sort of vendetta.

But when it comes to prosecuting wrongdoing, those who can take action against Trump should do so. There should be no doubt left that doing what Trump has done can be accepted with just a slap o the worst as punishment. Trump and all the GOP members who conspired to delegitimise a large section of the black vote should be held to account and no leniency given

 

[dutchie]

Trump and all the GOP members who conspired to delegitimise a large section of the black vote should be held to account and no leniency given

That's right, if you did not vote for Biden, "then you ain't black".

 

[rederob]

Full audio is here:
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...nsperger-election/6F7PDHDFDVCNTD3E76V7PIZWII/

I haven't listened to it as I don't really care. But I'm sure it will be picked apart over the coming days. It was actually an hour not 35 minutes or whatever I thought it was.

Georgia had sent all the relevant information to the White House PRIOR to Trump's call.
Despite that in his call to Georgia's Secretary of State regarding the information provided, Trump continued to make many-times debunked claims .
These were subsequently dealt with in this link to Gabriel Sterling.
Trump's actions now are no different to what he has always done. What is different is that his own Republican Party has finally had to call out his actions.
It's irrelevant what the media make of this event as for the first time his Georgian colleagues have demolished his credibility chapter and verse. It could not be more damning, and throws a spanner in engine room of his Senate hopefuls in tomorrow's run-off election.

 

[moXJO]

It's irrelevant what the media make of this event as for the first time his Georgian colleagues have demolished his credibility chapter and verse. It could not be more damning, and throws a spanner in engine room of his Senate hopefuls in tomorrow's run-off election.

You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.

 

[Knobby22]

You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.

The President is definitely doing a stress test on the Constitution. Honestly he has done everything except hold a coup and he is thinking about that.
He has created a lot of enemies within the Republican party who presently won't act as they might lose part of their voters but you can be sure there will be a lot of behind the scene actions once he is out.

And Ted Cruz, the miserable human that he is, as we all knows hates Trump with literally a vengeance.
Yet, he is the one leading the charge and acting as his so called greatest supporter in an attempt to be the next Republican nominee.

 

[rederob]

The President is definitely doing a stress test on the Constitution. Honestly he has done everything except hold a coup and he is thinking about that.

In the case of Trump's call to Georgia, his probable attempt to coerce a State electoral official to change the outcome falls under State jurisdiction. Accordingly, if Trump's last action is to pardon himself from any crimes (an interesting concept of itself), such pardons only relate to federal jurisdiction so Trump might find himself with Georgia on his mind for longer than he would like.

 

[basilio]

You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.

Indeed... Most observers see Trumps behaviour since the election as fundamentally challenging the Republician Party and attempting to make it the Trump party.

Trying to overthrow the election results through repeated baseless fraud allegations and then squeezing electoral officials to change the votes for him is all about Trump and not the Republician Party or the current political system. When he then demands that politicians simply believe and follow him regardless of facts he is every bit the political demagogue that dominated politics in other times and places. Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Un, Putin, Saddam Hussein, Mussolini, Franco.

It's worth realising that Trump could have taken this election if a relatively small number of mostly Republician officials had bent to his will and "found" extra votes or otherwise massaged election outcomes ie not certifying results.

As it is he has singlehandedly and fundamentally undermined US confidence in the electoral system. His repeated lies about electoral fraud have created a core of many millions of people who will see this as a stolen election and behave accordingly.

I repeat my previous thoughts. Trump and Giuliani and the other main players in the electoral fraud story need to have their day in court. They need to produce their evidence and have it examined fairly and in full detail.

And then, in my view, if the Court finds the defendants have being gravely wrong in their slandering of the electoral process, each of them should be required to publicly repudiate their previous statements with the same vigour they originally made them. If they refuse to publicly acknowledge their slander/error the Judge can find them in contempt of court and hold them in custody until they purge their contempt.

To date Donald Trump has never, ever acknowledged he is wrong or culpable. He just doesn't do that. And his greatest achievement to date has been demonstrating that this approach to business and politics can be successful. He is the inspiration for hundreds of imitators across the country and around the world. Effectively confronting his public trashing of the US electoral system is, IMV, critical to the future of a democratic system of government in the US.

 

[basilio]

The Georgian Senate Run off.