Kevin Rudd

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Herr Rudd

The Godwin Grech affair seems so far away, an interview I recorded onto an old 78 which I'm playing tonight, thanks ABC.

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Lord Kerry Kerry: A schort time ago, I spoke mitt ze Prime Minister. Achtung!! He vas in his Parliament House office, Herr R-r-rudd, on r-r-radio zis morningkt undt in ze Parliament today you vere fery keen to argue zat ze entire Opposition kase against you undt ze Treasurer r-r-rested on ze kontents uff an email zat you brented as a forgery. Achtung!! But you know zat zat's neint ze only basis fur concern about your Treasurer's assistance fur ze Qveenslent kar dealer ChJohann Grant, vvo iss an acqvaintance or friend uff yours. Achtung!! You know zat zat's neint ze only basis, don't you?

Herr R-r-rudd: I fundamentally disagree mitt you, Lord Kerry Kerry. Achtung!! Let me go to ze heart uff ze proposition. Naturlich! Herr Turnbull, ze Liberal Party's out zere accusingkt meinself as Prime Minister undt ze Treasurer uff korruption. Naturlich! VVat's his basis fur sayingkt zat? He has said zat I haf made a kommunication on behalf uff Herr Grant to ze Australian Treasury, undt as a konseqvence haf kaused ze Treasurer to act in a vay to support Herr Grant's interests vvich vould neint ozzerwise neinrmally occur. Achtung!! Zat's ze essence uff it. Achtung!!

So zerefore ze kore uff zis entire argument r-r-rests on ze alleged kommunication between meinself, or mein office, undt ze Treasury on Herr Grant's behalf. Naturlich!

Undt here are ze facts: ein, Herr Grant has said he's nefer discussed ze matter mitt me neinr asked me fur representations - zat's true. Naturlich! Secondly, I haf neint had any dealingkts mitt Herr Grant on zis matter to make r-r-representations fur him. Naturlich! Zree, neizzer haf mein shtaff. Naturlich! But four, vvat Herr Turnbull undt ze Liberal Opposition haf said: zere's zis smokingkt gun, zis email vvich exists between meinself, mein office undt ze Treasury askingkt fur representations to be made. Naturlich! Zat vas exploded today undt in terms uff ze shtatements I'fe made ofer ze kourse uff ze veekend, because ze document in qvestion, ze email, iss a fake, it's a forgery, it iss fraudulent. Achtung!! Undt ve haf - ve haf ...

Lord Kerry Kerry: But as you know, Herr R-r-rudd ...

Herr R-r-rudd: Ve haf ze alternatife Prime Minister uff Australia makingkt an accusation against ze serfingkt Prime Minister uff korruption, based on zis document vvich iss a forgery, undt him undt his shtaff usingkt ze opportunity to konfey ze kontents uff zat document around to farious media outlets. Achtung!!

Lord Kerry Kerry: But as you know, Herr Turnbull also based his kharges against you on ze ferbal efidence gifen by ze public serfant Herr Grech in ze Senate on Friday vvere he said - undt he acknowledged his memory might be faulty - but he said he had a r-r-recollection zat an email had kome to him from your office about Herr Grant. Achtung!! So zat vas part uff ze r-r-reason fur Herr - on vvich Malcolm Turnbull based his klaims. Achtung!! Anozzer part vas a series uff faxes infolfingkt Herr Shcchwan's office undt Herr Grechh. Naturlich!

 

[GumbyLearner]

Re: Herr Rudd

It zeems u haf vergoten hiz cuzins!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Herr Rudd

It zeems u haf vergoten hiz cuzins!

Hiss Couzinz, dey vill haf der youses.

An interfew I hadt vith Kef 07. I sed nothingt out uf respekt und schleep.

Mein friends undt fellow Australians,
I haf neinticed a perferse internet site Aussie Shtocks Forum , vvich seeks to associate mein visches fur ze future uff zis Great Lent to mein supposed aim to be Head uff ze United Nations. Achtung!!

I r-r-refute zis fur ze followingkt nine r-r-reasons. Achtung!! ( Nein iss mein lucky number dumbclucks)

First undt foremost it iss horseschit. Achtung!!
Secondly undt referringkt to ze first, it iss mein intention to lead zis kountry in to ze 22nd kentury. Achtung!!
Zirtly undt referringkt to ze latter part uff mein first point undt ze first part uff ze second point, zere iss nein anomoly. Achtung!!
Fourzzly undt fur zose vvo haf neint r-r-read ze essay in ze Moon Times I r-r-refer you to paragraph twenty zree ze answer iss nein nein nein. Naturlich!
Fifzzly nein
Sixtly, I r-r-refer you to ze second point as I'fe already answered zat , but fur zose vvo are asleep, ze answer iss nein. Naturlich!
Sefenzz zere iss nein substance in zat undt ze United Nations buildingkt iss a good twenty minutes valk to Shcores. Achtung!!
Eighzz ze answer iss nein. Naturlich!
Nine, ze answer iss again nein. Naturlich!

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[Julia]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

This is an excellent opinion piece on Mr Rudd by Paul Kelly from "The Australian".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ess-that-matters/story-e6frg6z6-1225797344468

 

[Calliope]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

This is an excellent opinion piece on Mr Rudd by Paul Kelly from "The Australian".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ess-that-matters/story-e6frg6z6-1225797344468

Well worth reading Julia.

What I would like Julia, is for somebody whose expertise is psychology to explain how it is that Rudd can lie so blatantly, flippantly and easily, without caring who knows it. And also how 63% of the electorate apparently trust him when they know he is such a liar.

Take this little gem reported in the W/E Australian yesterday which occurred at a press conference in New Delhi on Friday;

Malcolm Farr: PM, are you aware of some people on the Oceanic Viking coming ashore in Indonesia?

PM: I am unaware of any such report, Malcolm.

He now even telegraphs his lies, Every time he says "absolutely" it will be followed by a porky.

 

[Julia]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Calliope, I can only think it's one of two reasons:

1. The electorate at large is wrapped up in their own lives. Unless something impacts them personally, they take little interest. The memory of the $900 still lurks warmly in their hearts.

2. The abundant publicity given to the rabble of disarray that is the Opposition presents the voter with little reason to shift their allegiance.

This is pretty reasonable. Much as I loathe Rudd and Co (despite quite liking Lindsay Tanner and Stephen Smith who I think would be quite good if they were away from the influence of Rudd, Swan and Gillard), I'd be hard pressed to believe Turnbull et al could stop their squabbling long enough to give a minute's thought to running the country.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

True enough Julia. Yet here in Qld. we have incompetents running the opposition and yet Ms Bligh is very unpopular. I suppose it's because that, unlike Rudd, she does not have access to the public purse to bribe the electorate, and she does not have the power to appease the unions that Rudd and Gillard have.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Rudd is still telling his porkies.

He is still denying that he knew about the deal made with the Oceanic Viking Tamils.

And now he said Bambang Yudhonono did not snub him in Singapore. Rudd claimed he had meetings with BY. The Indonesian President's communique on his return referred to meetings with other leaders, including the NZ PM, but no mention of Rudd.

Along with other Asian leaders he now has Rudd's measure.

 

[Mofra]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

This is an excellent opinion piece on Mr Rudd by Paul Kelly from "The Australian".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ess-that-matters/story-e6frg6z6-1225797344468

Given Kelly's (and the newpaper's) right bias it is a surprisingly well-balanced piece that actually spends most of the time analysing the outcome of Rudd's leadership, which for the average Australian is the correct approach for mine because it is the best way to remove the rhetoric from policy effectiveness.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

A banner headline in my local paper reads;

PM closes book on our "ugly chapter"

I wouldn't be so sure. An orchestrated apology from the king of spin doesn't carry much weight. There were cheers and tears and a few boos (because he didn't mention compo) and the "forgotten Australians'' enjoyed the circus, but don't tell me that this crafty man intended anything more than the symbolic gesture, accompanied by the orchestrated hugging.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Gentlemen, please ensure your weapons are loaded. I again provide you with more fish in a barrel.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and NSW Premier Nathan Rees have opened a wind farm ...

 

[jancha]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Let me see if I understand all this...

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, , SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN CANBERRA AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.

 

[Beej]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Let me see if I understand all this...

... [snip unnecessarily capitilised BS rantings]

Firstly, please learn to turn the caps lock key off.

Secondly, I'm not sure what your post has to do with the topic "Does Rudd inspire confidence", but anyhooo.... to answer your question - no, I don't think you understand "all this" at all! In fact I think you are a very scared and confused individual.

For a start all the countries you are comparing us too are either third world countries, or non-democratic ran by military dictatorships, or communist, or hard-line anti-western religious states and so on. Do you really think that those type of countries provide the example of the moral and legal framework regarding immigration or any other matters that democratic and civilised countries like ours should be aspiring to?

And as for your final point, it's completely wrong. No illegal immigrants have a right to a job, welfare and so on in Australia. Illegal immigrants get sent back from wence they came - you are correct only in that we do not summarily shoot them and so forth - thank goodness! We do however meet obligations that we agreed to under various international treaties to assess and provide asylum to those who are deemed to be legitimately seeking it and entitled to refugee status, (ironically, often because they are fleeing persecution from the very regimes you seem to aspire for us to be like!).

Do you have a problem with that? Does it threaten you in some way? I really don't understand the red-neck BS that people come out with over the refugee issue.

PS: Mods - maybe my post and the one to which I replied should be moved to the "boat people" thread?

Beej

 

[jancha]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Firstly, please learn to turn the caps lock key off.

Secondly, I'm not sure what your post has to do with the topic "Does Rudd inspire confidence", but anyhooo.... to answer your question - no, I don't think you understand "all this" at all! In fact I think you are a very scared and confused individual.

For a start all the countries you are comparing us too are either third world countries, or non-democratic ran by military dictatorships, or communist, or hard-line anti-western religious states and so on. Do you really think that those type of countries provide the example of the moral and legal framework regarding immigration or any other matters that democratic and civilised countries like ours should be aspiring to?

And as for your final point, it's completely wrong. No illegal immigrants have a right to a job, welfare and so on in Australia. Illegal immigrants get sent back from wence they came - you are correct only in that we do not summarily shoot them and so forth - thank goodness! We do however meet obligations that we agreed to under various international treaties to assess and provide asylum to those who are deemed to be legitimately seeking it and entitled to refugee status, (ironically, often because they are fleeing persecution from the very regimes you seem to aspire for us to be like!).

Do you have a problem with that? Does it threaten you in some way? I really don't understand the red-neck BS that people come out with over the refugee issue.

PS: Mods - maybe my post and the one to which I replied should be moved to the "boat people" thread?

Beej

Beej Get a grip. First up why would i want to turn the caps lock key off?

Secondly the thread is about Rudd inspiring confidence. Howard government didn't have half the problem as Rudd has with ASYLUM seekers. Rudd imo is a nice bloke but as our leader he doesn't inspire any confidence. Look how the stimulous package was handled.

 

[lasty]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Of course Rudd inspires confidence ... At the Oscars.

 

[Julia]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Beej Get a grip. First up why would i want to turn the caps lock key off?

Jancha, I agree with Beej. A whole post in capitals is like yelling at someone.
I think you might find some reference to this in the Forum guidelines.

Secondly the thread is about Rudd inspiring confidence. Howard government didn't have half the problem as Rudd has with ASYLUM seekers. Rudd imo is a nice bloke but as our leader he doesn't inspire any confidence. Look how the stimulous package was handled.

Where have you been in the last year? Rudd's approval rating in successive polls demonstrates only too well (sadly) the uninformed confidence the average punter has in their Prime Minister.

A stimulus package was probably in order, but imo should have been better targeted, i.e. no cash handouts and more infrastructure, but it was essentially politically rather than economically motivated so that Rudd could say he had kept Australia out of recession.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Where have you been in the last year? Rudd's approval rating in successive polls demonstrates only too well (sadly) the uninformed confidence the average punter has in their Prime Minister.

According to the latest "Newspoll", 59% of the electorate has faith in Mr Rudd. This comes after his boating and Singapore adventures, where he was exposed as being, not a Messiah, but an ordinary mortal, with many weaknesses.

The fact that he continually lied and then tried to spin his way out of his lies, made little impression on his, apparently rusted on, admirers.

This is an enigma which can't be fully explained by his cynical use of public money or Turnbull's spinelessness.

Perhaps if the opposition had the funding to match the dozens of spin doctors in the same numbers and quality as Rudd's team, things might even up. But that is not going to happen.

The secret seems to be that even if you are a serial liar; with the right spin, you can get away with it. High quality spinners will even throw the guilt back on your opponent.

 

[jancha]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Jancha, I agree with Beej. A whole post in capitals is like yelling at someone.
I think you might find some reference to this in the Forum guidelines.


Where have you been in the last year? Rudd's approval rating in successive polls demonstrates only too well (sadly) the uninformed confidence the average punter has in their Prime Minister.

A stimulus package was probably in order, but imo should have been better targeted, i.e. no cash handouts and more infrastructure, but it was essentially politically rather than economically motivated so that Rudd could say he had kept Australia out of recession.

Julia thanks for that i was unaware of that being one of forum guide lines however i feel that Rudd's approval rating is based on the fact that he comes across as a nice bloke in a Santa Suit & a fair % of the poll would vote on that alone. I agree that the cash handouts shouldn't have happened eg. deceased people, backpackers who worked here for 6mths & living in the UK receiving cash handouts let alone the rest of us receiving it. ( Should have been handled better) eg. infrastructure. I think as time goes by his Santa image will drop & his ratings will go down with it. You would remember too that the opposition party have had a few problems in finding a new leader in the past & popularity takes time. However I think in the last poll taken there was a small swing back to the opposition.

In answer to your question I was here last year.

 

[Beej]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

The secret seems to be that even if you are a serial liar; with the right spin, you can get away with it. High quality spinners will even throw the guilt back on your opponent.

True - the master of this was John Howard for 11 long years!!

Beej

 

[jancha]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

True - the master of this was John Howard for 11 long years!!

Beej

Beej You seem a bit confused this is a tread about Rudd inspiring confidence not about previous governments.