KEVIN RUDD - Wins the Australian Federal election!

[skint]

robots
I fully realise that you and nc are just trying to annoy julia , but try "would have" occasionally

yeah, ya know like, but,n,that!

 

[Julia]

robots
I fully realise that you and nc are just trying to annoy julia , but try "would have" occasionally

Thanks, 2020, for supporting my plea. I don't really think any of those who constantly say "of" instead of "have" are setting out to annoy me (well I hope not!)
I think they have just been saying this probably all their lives and it's simply a habit. They are not alone. I noticed at least one of our esteemed political leaders during the campaign say "If only he would of" instead of "If only he would have.....".
Sigh!
And Peter Beattie throughout his interminable reign said "anythink" rather than "anything".
Double sigh!

 

[roland]

Hi, is there anyway I can disable seeing this thread? Everytime I click on "New Posts" I get Kevin Rudd. I am not against general discussions, but gee this political thread is overwhelming the stock forum. I've looked under the "User CP" but doesn't seem to be an option.

 

[wayneL]

actually, i am not complaining about interest rates as they arent really a concern to anyone

thaankyou

robots

Now you're really taking the p!ss... ludicrous.

 

[AndrewM123]

hello,

another great day for melbourne, increased PTC fares, any improvements in service? no way

shows the direction of labor govs, least JH & costello give tax cuts, nothings gets cut in Melbourne

thankyou

robots

Unbelievable.... 3 days after election, nothing done as yet ...AND still blamed for PTC rises....... Still at least he made it rain in SE Qld to ease the drought.

 

[2020hindsight]

I am just getting into the hang of "being in opposition" and "keeping the bastards honest"!!

fair enuf too lol
or "keeping the fu**ers honest" as the slightly deaf old lady says on NewsTopia lol (refer chops post on "aunty" thread )

 

[2020hindsight]

Unbelievable.... 3 days after election, nothing done as yet ...AND still blamed for PTC rises....... Still at least he made it rain in SE Qld to ease the drought.

Andrew - gr8 sentiments m8 lol
I think Johnny is still officially in power (till next monday-ish)

Someone might tell that to robots too - but I suspect that you're both taking the piss, so I'll just crawl back in my shell and enjoy the entertainment like everyone else .

 

[numbercruncher]

Yes hes a Ruddy legend for organising that rain, I heard that hes even hooked us up with a La Nina weather pattern and we can expect loads of rain this summer, lets hope there is no backflip!

 

[bvbfan]

well lets just see where things end in 5 or so years, not of to good start with petrol prices hitting 1.45/l, costello would of been knocking them down, havent heard much from swann!

Geez I wish I could jump through the PC and slap you around a bit. What sort of idiot are you?

The AUD has dropped from 93c to 87c and oil has done jack, if you had watched the ABC finance section a few weeks ago you would have heard Alan Kohler say that the petrol price was going up to $1.50.

No depths you Liberal scum will go to blatantly lie.

Glad you have to put up with Labor for 3 years at least.

Bleeding whinger!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ithatheekret]

I don't think Comrade Rudd is to blame for the fall at all , banks and ores were the drag , everything else bar a few utilities and the I.T. sector got hit .

It's shuffle time in portfolios uptown .

I even noted a small cap trend emerging across US and European bourses , maybe early signs of insto value hunting . the futures market hasn't crashed yet so don't panic

I think it's time to give the bloke a fair go and not the scape goat for corrections , which were already underway offshore .

Leave the backstabbing for their P.A.'s , they've earned the right

 

[robots]

hello,

wonder if get a statement from swannie today, thought would of been good to get on the front foot to address the economic issues

most likely let things ride

I'm with you duckman

thankyou

robots

 

[AndrewM123]

Stopped here now..... but my water tank is full. Thanks Kev

Now if only he will get AUD/USD heading north again..

Thankyou Kev !!!!

 

[trading_rookie]

Is it fair to say if Turnbull becomes leader of the opposition, then the Libs are the new left? While Labor having a conservative fiscal leader who campaigned on 'me-tooism' the new Right? Deciding the cabinet and not the Caucus takes the cake...wonder how many of the old guard are mumbling under their breath

 

[skint]

Is it fair to say if Turnbull becomes leader of the opposition, then the Libs are the new left? While Labor having a conservative fiscal leader who campaigned on 'me-tooism' the new Right? Deciding the cabinet and not the Caucus takes the cake...wonder how many of the old guard are mumbling under their breath

Nelson won it 45 votes to 42.

 

[Rafa]

Good article in the Australian...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22838144-5014047,00.html

Labor gives fair undertaking for social initiatives


WHAT a difference an election makes. "Howard went too far, say employers", read the headline in The Australian yesterday. It reported that the chief complaint of business groups about the Howard government's industrial relations changes was that it had removed the no-disadvantage test and left it too late to replace it with an inadequate fairness test.

Among the critics are employers who waxed lyrical about the original Work Choices legislation and then objected strongly to the new fairness test taking away the workplace flexibility so essential to economic growth and efficiency.

Some of them also funded an advertising campaign that suggested the economy would grind to a halt if Labor went ahead with its plans to abolish Australian Workplace Agreements. Both of the remaining candidates for today's leadership ballot in the Liberal Party acknowledge that Work Choices was one of the factors in the election loss and offer varying degrees of support for Labor's policy to overturn it.

That just shows how quickly the political debate can turn. The biggest shift is the realisation, to misquote Bill Clinton, that it's not just the economy, stupid. Polling before the election showed that voters acknowledged the Coalition's superior credentials on economic management. It is just that the election demonstrated they were looking for something more. Such as fairness.

On Tuesday, new head teacher Kevin Rudd set a second assignment for his pupils. After asking Labor MPs to visit a public and private school and report back on the availability of computers, he wants them to go to a homeless shelter and find out how many people are being turned away. When he visited shelters during the campaign, he told the ABC's The 7.30 Report, he had been horrified to discover that 80 to 90 per cent of people could not get in.

"Now this is just wrong in a country as wealthy as ours," he said.
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The 2001 census counted 99,900 homeless people in Australia. Contrary to the stereotype about alcoholic men on park benches, the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare found that there were 56,800 children, almost all aged 12 or younger, in families that made use of homeless services during 2004-05.

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All this suggests a focus on this area is long overdue. But what matters is what happens next. This is one of the issues governments deal with that can quickly go out of sight and out of mind. Labor has at least made a commitment to spend $150 million over five years for crisis accommodation for 2000 people, with the aim of halving the numbers turned away. This should become one of the benchmarks of progress for the Rudd government.

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The same applies to other areas that slid under the radar during the election campaign. How many voters are aware that Julia Gillard, as well as being responsible for industrial relations, was also the spokeswoman for social inclusion? An indication of the priority Labor gave it during the campaign is that the policy was released only two days before the election. However, assuming it is not mere rhetoric, we should hear much more about it in future.

Labor is borrowing from overseas, particularly Britain, in moving beyond traditional welfare to a social investment approach, involving a combination of government, private investment and non-government organisations. The aim is to tackle the cycle of poverty typically caused by multiple factors, including leaving school early and intergenerational unemployment. Britain has 55,000 so-called social enterprises, with a combined turnover of $61 billion a year, that provide employment for the disadvantaged while still operating on business principles.

Labor policy is to appoint a social inclusion board, bringing together welfare advocates, economists and other policy specialists. A social inclusion unit to implement the policies will be set up in the prime minister's department.

Of course, the test will not be in the new bureaucracies but the results at the other end. The Howard government's answer to many of the issues involving disadvantage was economic growth and jobs. That should remain the first priority, and failure to deliver them will see a short life for the Rudd government. But, as former British prime minister Tony Blair said, prosperity "masks a tale of under-achievers: the socially excluded. The rising tide does not lift their ships".

Acknowledging that could be part of the political rehabilitation of the Liberals and Nationals.

 

[moXJO]

Before everyone gets too carried away about Mr Rudd's concern for the disadvantaged of our society, I'd point out that he - like Liberal - has ruled out increasing the rate of the Single Aged Pension. This is below the poverty line. Many of these people have no savings so will not benefit from any tax cuts. We should not be perpetuating middle class welfare with non-means-tested rebates in various areas while our elderly are struggling.

It was more to do with his media tarting. Rudd hams it up in the media at every opportunity, but like I said his policies are nothing groundbreaking. There’s a lot of air and I hope it’s not all sleight of hand .Hopefully enough infrastructure and services will start being fixed in the near term.

 

[noco]

Thanks, 2020, for supporting my plea. I don't really think any of those who constantly say "of" instead of "have" are setting out to annoy me (well I hope not!)
I think they have just been saying this probably all their lives and it's simply a habit. They are not alone. I noticed at least one of our esteemed political leaders during the campaign say "If only he would of" instead of "If only he would have.....".
Sigh!
And Peter Beattie throughout his interminable reign said "anythink" rather than "anything".
Double sigh!

Julia I believe it is Australian "Lingo" that gets some people saying "should of" instead of "should have". If you analyse the saying, they say "should've" which sounds like "should of" when you say it quickly. It is the lazy tongue that can possibly confuse new comers to the English Laungage.
The same as some people say "any think". If they took their time it should come out "anythingggggg".
The good old English, it ain't what it used to be.

 

[2020hindsight]

If you analyse the saying, ...."should've" sounds like "should of"

:topic
but you're onto something here noco pardon the grammar lesson - just that laziness is rewarded with this example

I read in an old-fashioned schoolbook that there is strictly a difference between "shall" and "will", and that it is 180degrees different between first person and second or third etc...

"I shall go to work now" = not particularly determined
"I will" go to work now" = determined

whereas , talking to a kid wanting to stay at home sick for instance, you get the opposite , i.e.
"you shall go to school now" = determined
"you will go to school now"
"they will go to school now" = not particularly determined (according to this book anyways)

NOW THE GOOD NEWS is that
a) this is old hat, and
b) the secret trick to get around it is to just say "*** 'll" - and the context will give the necessary clue on your level of determination, eg

"I'll go to work now I guess" -
or "you'll go to school now whether you like it of not" etc

PS the book went on to say that "shall" is falling into disuse, but I can tell you the average Australian Standard says the word "shall" 15,000 times lol.
"when in Rome, you shall allow for Roman earthquakes ; when in Sydney, you shall allow for Sydney earthquakes etc"
even (I imagine) road rules , eg
"you shall keep three feet to the next parked car etc "

"ministers will be held accountable" - either way, the threat is there anyway

 

[numbercruncher]

hello,

well lets just see where things end in 5 or so years, not of to good start with petrol prices hitting 1.45/l, costello would of been knocking them down, havent heard much from swann!

Still talking about Costello, that guy has thrown in the towel already !


Anyway Labor are taking some measures ....

Appointing a petrol price commissioner to monitor big oil companies will be one of the incoming Labor government's first acts, Prime Minister-elect Kevin Rudd says.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070326/2/12vsf.html