Kevin Rudd for PM

drsmith · 3 February 2012

Garpal Gumnut said:
Their imminent demise at the hands of the electorate is encouraging them to consider the inevitable.

Isn't that inconcevable ?

It is standared fare though for the current version of Labor to do what looks inconcevable to the mortal voter.

Garpal Gumnut · 3 February 2012

drsmith said:
Isn't that inconcevable ?

It is standared fare though for the current version of Labor to do what looks inconcevable to the mortal voter.

They would say it's not their fault, that it is the Pro-Zacks.

In truth they have no Bottle. They do as they are told by the union heavies who control them in Cabinet and in the branches.

gg

drsmith · 3 February 2012

Going back to Kevin Rudd won't help them.

This is perhaps why they have allowed themselves to hemorrhage under Julia Gillard for so long.

Calliope · 3 February 2012

drsmith said:
Going back to Kevin Rudd won't help them.

This is perhaps why they have allowed themselves to hemorrhage under Julia Gillard for so long.

Gillard is an electoral disaster, but I think she is an essentially decent woman. Rudd on the other hand is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. The thought of him back in power with his fawning immature advisers is a shocking scenario.

drsmith · 3 February 2012

Calliope said:
Gillard is an electoral disaster, but I think she is an essentially decent woman.

I see her is a ruthless politician who will walk over anyone for office.

The latter is perhaps her problem in that she doesn't discriminate between political friend or foe.

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Is Bill starting to panic over his own political future ?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...ship-speculation/story-e6frf7jx-1226261857110

noco · 3 February 2012

This is history repeating itself all over again with this Labor Party whether it is Federal or State.

Do what ever it takes to stay in power.

If their popularity is in decline, change the leader, that will fix it!!!!!!!!!!

The only way to fix it is election and if Rudd gets back in, he may not have the support of the Indies, so there may be no choice for Labor and perhaps no hope.

Garpal Gumnut · 3 February 2012

My contacts in Sussex St. tell me that Rudd has lost more support today, and that staying with Julia may be the plan, unless.........

gg

drsmith · 3 February 2012

Garpal Gumnut said:
My contacts in Sussex St. tell me that Rudd has lost more support today, and that staying with Julia may be the plan, unless.........

gg

Labor seems to have contorted itself into a most undignified position.

“The debate now is whether you can go back to Kevin and not have a walkout,” a senior figure says, ar*guing a number of MPs would resign from the frontbench, or even resign from Parliament rather than work with the Queenslander again. “You have to understand that moving to Kevin means instantaneous election. The only way Kevin is going to keep people in line is with an election campaign.”

So the threat of an early election is now being waved in front of MPs who have quietly withdrawn from Gillard’s camp but can’t commit themselves to Rudd.

And the operation of government as well.

An early election would not only crystallise voters’ views about the two sides of politics but put elections for the two houses of Parliament out of kilter, since a half-Senate election can’t be held until late next year.

That means whoever were to win a 2012 House of Representatives election would face the judgment of the people at a Senate poll in 2013, and face a hostile Senate in the meantime.

http://afr.com/p/national/desperate_labor_mps_turning_against_6WlIZxAGKfSHAXWLoI9nzL

Julia · 3 February 2012

Calliope said:
Gillard is an electoral disaster, but I think she is an essentially decent woman. Rudd on the other hand is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. The thought of him back in power with his fawning immature advisers is a shocking scenario.

Good heavens, Calliope, Gillard an "essentially decent woman"? She has shown herself to be one of the most self interested, viciously competitive politicians ever who will do whatever it takes to keep herself in power.

Her decisions have been all about what benefits her, rather than what's best for Australia and its people.

Agree, however, with your assessment of Rudd. It's a most unpleasant choice, but of the two I detest Gillard slightly less.

Imo they should toss them both and have a go with Smith and Bowen, both of whom appear to at least have the capacity to be a bit thoughtful and rational.

Logique · 4 February 2012

Rudd can win them an election, Gillard can't, and they all know it. Time is on his side, he can patiently stalk the leadership over the next 18 months. If the Gillard supporters had any tactical nous they'd call him out and bring on a spill. But blind personal ambition won't take the risk.

On a different subject I happened to see The Project on Ch10 last night, I was shocked at the anti-Abbott tirade from Charles, Hughesy and co. Every second 'news' item seemed to be a 'lets laugh at Tony' gotcha piece. By contrast Kevin was described as 'Ruddy'. I shouldn't wonder during the ad breaks they stick pins into little voodoo dolls of Abbott, and afterwards burn him in effigy in the foyer. One look at the guest list of The Project tells you about the show's political leanings.

Logique · 4 February 2012

Julia said:
..Imo they should toss them both and have a go with Smith and Bowen, both of whom appear to at least have the capacity to be a bit thoughtful and rational.

Yes that would be a good start. Felt for Chris Bowen, handed the 'Immigration Muggins' ministry. A potential rival shoved into a dirty job.

joea · 4 February 2012

Logique said:
Rudd can win them an election, Gillard can't, and they all know it. Time is on his side, he can patiently stalk the leadership over the next 18 months.

I am not sure that Rudd could win an election. It is possible that he could win a challenge. However he does not have the support at this point in time.
My reasons for saying this is, at the next Federal election, the Australian voter will not be voting for a particular person, or a party, they will be voting Labor out.
Rudd has the opportunity to make two challenges.
As can be seen he is a man on a mission of mischief.
If he is successful in helping Bligh, then you will see a challenge.

Now you will ask how will we know if he is successful in Queensland state election?.
Answer: By preventing Campbell Newman obtaining a seat.

If Newman wins his seat, it will be all down hill for Labor in Queensland.

We will then see if Rudd panics and challenges, or be sure of his support then challenge.
If I read the body language of Rudd correctly he will only challenge once, because Gillard will be too smart to have it happen the second time.

The Labor power brokers have not got a viable alternative to Gillard. No doubt Rudd has got a list of milestones to get him to PM. However the Queensland election is his
"Achilles Heel" in his quest.
joea

Calliope · 4 February 2012

Julia said:
Good heavens, Calliope, Gillard an "essentially decent woman"? She has shown herself to be one of the most self interested, viciously competitive politicians ever who will do whatever it takes to keep herself in power.

Only two bites? I recognised her caring side in "At Home With Julia."

JTLP · 4 February 2012

Logique said:
On a different subject I happened to see The Project on Ch10 last night, I was shocked at the anti-Abbott tirade from Charles, Hughesy and co. Every second 'news' item seemed to be a 'lets laugh at Tony' gotcha piece. By contrast Kevin was described as 'Ruddy'. I shouldn't wonder during the ad breaks they stick pins into little voodoo dolls of Abbott, and afterwards burn him in effigy in the foyer. One look at the guest list of The Project tells you about the show's political leanings.

I despise that show. And it's most likely for the reasons you list above. Kevin Rudd as 'Ruddy'...cut me a break. I'm assuming the target demographic and viewership of the show are young lefties who think David Hughes is funny (shoot me now) and that Charlie Pickerings indie dress sense gives them a cause to celebrate.

What was that great quote - when you're young and stupid you vote Labor...when you're old and wise you vote Liberal obviously not verbatim but you get the point...

trainspotter · 4 February 2012

I think it is called "satire" for a reason ! :

Calliope · 5 February 2012

Bob Katter is a ratbag.:screwy::cowboy:

A gun-toting independent MP Bob Katter also used the Queensland launch of his firearms policy yesterday to bolster Mr Rudd's credentials, hinting he would "most certainly" be open to considering a deal with a future Rudd government.

"Everybody knows that Kevin and I are friends and have been mates," he said.

"I have great respect for him.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...if-he-challenges/story-fn7x8me2-1226262766537

noco · 5 February 2012

Do any ASF members really believe Rudd wants to be Prime Minister again knowing that he does not have the numbers or is he just keeping the pot boiling while Gillard stews in it. He also knows at least two Indies will withdraw support if Gillard goes. Rudd is doing his best to wear Gillard down.

Maybe if there is a spill, and I think he will do his best to bring it on, he is trying to open the door for Stephan Smith or Simon Crean rather than himself just get back at Gillard. If Gillard does go, it won't be to the back bench, it will be out the door.She won't hang around.

Rudd still has ambitions of acquiring a seat on the UN and would have no chance of getting it while being Prime Minister. I still believe he is abidding his time in hope, and, having a little fun in the mean time. Like a cat with a mouse, every time the mouse moves he pounces on it.

Garpal Gumnut · 21 April 2012

My contacts tell me that the kerfuffle over Slippery Pete and open shower doors, massages, texts, taxis etc. etc., has rejuvenated Little Kevvie.

It has also rejuvenated his supporters and there is further number crunching being done.

Parliament will become unmanageable, unless Slippery is fronted to step aside.

If Slippery steps aside it will become unmanageable as Wilkie will oppose any ALP bills.

My contacts in Sussex St. tell me that the only course for the ALP is to stick it out for an election next year. An election this year will lead to a wipeput and the possible demise of the party.

Little Kevvie is the only hope on the reckoning, and Gillard will be given the whisper.

Rudd can count on Wilkie, Katter and the 2 NSW independent muppets, and the Green will do as he is told, even Slippery and Thomson will support Rudd until the chains begin to rattle.

Kevin Rudd is the only ALP member capable of maintaining a majority to an election next year, according to my sources.

The Chairman's Lounge in Sydney Airport is going to be quite crowded on Monday morning when QF 108 lands from Los Angeles.

I may even pop down myself for breakfast.

gg

MrBurns · 21 April 2012

I don't think Slipper will be in the chair when Parliament resumes, Labors best option is to put Rudd back just before election to get some sympathy votes but not have him there long enough before the election so that people can remember they didn't like him either.

The Carbon Tax will be a disaster and Gillard will throw money out left and right in a vain effort to buy support but it won't work.

drsmith · 21 April 2012

Garpal Gumnut said:
My contacts tell me that the kerfuffle over Slippery Pete and open shower doors, massages, texts, taxis etc. etc., has rejuvenated Little Kevvie.

Gough Whitlam is still kicking.

Perhaps they'll bring him back.

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