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Kevin Rudd for PM

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I think there is still a lot of sympathy for Rudd amongst the general populance because of the way he was knifed in the back. Even though there is nothing wrong with replacing the leader most people have an expectation that whoever was leader when they voted will be the PM for the full term. Even though for Rudd to come back it would effectively mean Gillard has to get knifed I think many people would see it as order being restored.
 
Some people I work with a ALP voters. Always have been.

However, there has been change.

They dislike Gillard a lot. Now there is no Rudd, carbon tax introduced, they will vote for the Libs come September.

This isn't an isolated case for me, as a data point, a few friends of mine have said similar things to me. I think that ALP is will be in a world of pain come September, if the Libs don't stuff up between now and then.
 
To be consistent, Gillard must sack the Rudd supporter, Albanese.

She will be a joke if she does not.
 
dutchie said:
To be consistent, Gillard must sack the Rudd supporter, Albanese.

She will be a joke if she does not.
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Apparently Albanese got a promotion to regional development and retained infrastructure and transport.

Maybe a tactical choice to help appease the NSW left... or just not game to piss off a larger chunk of the party! Is Albanese still NSW leader of the socialist left faction?
 
Time to dust of this thread ASF. Gillard's desperate gender 'hail mary' has missed the wide receiver, the coach and the stadium itself. As the pollster has said, 'she has alienated men and left women unmoved'.

Time to go, Julia ...


'Fewer than one in four men in Australia - 24 per cent - now count themselves as likely Labor voters.

''She has alienated men and left women unmoved,'' summarised Nielsen's John Stirton.

The result? The Prime Minister has so weakened her government that it would suffer a 7 per cent swing against it if an election were held today.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-win-voters-20130616-2ocev.html#ixzz2WQUEXnca '
 

IMO there is no way Gillard will walk, she will just ignore any call for her to stand down.
Rudd is not only sticking the knife in he is twisting it, by asking for Shorten and the faceless men to publicly back him.lol
This is going to be a great mini series, can't wait for the final scene in September, it will be memorable.
 

Keating got Hawke in the end Sprawler ... the ALP has a stark choice now; political annihilation of a historic scale or 'Uncle Psycho' who might just get them within sight of the 'Mad Monk'.

It is Abbott after all, not Winston Churchill (or even John Winston Howard). When Abbott speaks, the nation holds its breath but for all the wrong reasons. While Rudd's narcissism borders on the pathological, as with all such men he is also very persuasive and street smart. He will give Tony a run for his money. Gillard will lead them into the wilderness to become the 'lost tribe' of Australian politics.

Err, no brainer. Even that troglodyte Paul Howes must start to see this now.
 
sptrawler said:
This is going to be a great mini series, can't wait for the final scene in September, it will be memorable.
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That could well suffer the same fate as of many of Labor's other commitments.

When Kevin Rudd was asked by the media thin morning on whether JG would still be PM in two weeks, he didn't answer the question directly (ABC).

If Julia Gillard looked over her shoulder now, I suspect she would see Uncle Psychopath approaching from behind with dagger in hand, pointy end forward.
 

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He reminds me of Nigel the pig.

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25cm gash??? I think Mr Nowakowsky tells porkies.



Nigel says, CALL THAT A GASH!!!


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Although we are all assuming that Rudd would make little difference at this stage because he would be leading a dysfunctional party of which many members have openly stated that they would not work with him and because the opposition have huge amounts of ammunition to attack him courtesy of his pro-Gillard opponents the last time he challenged, I still think there is huge risk for the opposition.

If Labor install him at the end of this final two week sitting, then the disunity issue will not be so apparent. I assume he would not need to change the cabinet make up as there will be no government business to attend to (in parliament) and all that will be left is electioneering. So it is quite possible that the other Labor members will simply bite their tongues for the remaining few weeks leading up to the election. They can worry about who is the leader after the election is over, but at least many of them will actually have seats after the election with Rudd in charge rather than the current state of affairs.

A concerted attack by the opposition against Rudd once he returns to the PM roll could backfire. Undeserved or not, he is popular and many believe that he was unjustly robbed of his role as PM. So there might be a lot of sympathy out there for him that could be very alienated by a negative campaign from the opposition. Gillard's and Bligh's negative attacks on their respective oppositions backfired for both of them and the same could happen if the coalition do likewise.
 
Rudd for this, Rudd for that - seeing as not even his supporters think Rudd is remotely capable of leadership, all this really means is "Rudd as election campaign star entertainer".

Suppose, hilarious to imagine, that Rudd is put up as leader, and the ALP actually win govt again? Does anyone want Rudd as P.M. again?

There is no way the ALP will put Rudd up. They'd have to be certifiably insane.

The ALP is a sad, sad spectacle: a bunch of actors in need of a script. Not that the Lib-Nats are so much different, rather that they're a bit better managed these days.
 
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Suppose, hilarious to imagine, that Rudd is put up as leader, and the ALP actually win govt again? Does anyone want Rudd as P.M. again?

There is no way the ALP will put Rudd up. They'd have to be certifiably insane.
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He would be a breath of stale air.
 
I can only speak for those that I have talked to, but especially amoung my generation there is a dislike for Tony Abbot that borders on hatred. They see him as far too old world, and unable to approach the trends of this generation with any kind of influence.

I don't particularly mind the bloke, but I dont think he is PM material and in my (ever so humble) opinion, the country should get behind Malcolm Turnbull as PM (If he had a mind to run)
 

Letts, Turnbull polled very dismally when he was PM before. I just posted this in another thread:


27-29 November 2009.... Rudd: 65..... Turnbull: 14

Just over 6 months after Abbott took over:
18-20 June 2010.... Rudd: 46..... Abbott: 37

June 23rd, labor got so scared they dumped Rudd and put Gillard.​

And Turnbull is pro carbon pricing - he is running against the majority on that one as I understand it.


http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling//display_poll_data.pl
 
Malcolm Turnbull had his chance at leading the Liberal Party. He showed an incredible lack of political nous for someone with such extensive business experience. (Google the Godwin Grech affair if you are not aware of this at the time.)

I might be wrong, but I have always had the sense that Mr Turnbull sees political leadership as the final notch for his belt, something to add to his financial success and his business experience.
Certainly, he is charming and urbane, articulate, all the traits Tony Abbott probably lacks.
But imho if I had to put money on who had the most concern for Australia, as distinct from self interest, it would go on Mr Abbott.

In the past he has never especially impressed me, and I have concerns about some of his ultra conservative leanings, but he does seem to have grown during this period of Opposition Leader, and I'd give him a decent chance of succeeding at PM, though this will be a massive ask of anyone, given the mess left by Labor.
 

For better or worse, I think you'll see him get that chance to succeed.

At the last election I thought choosing between Abbott and Gillard for PM was like choosing between shattered glass and poison for dinner (I'm not sure which was which, but I think we got the worse option). I'm disgusted that our country's world of politics couldn't come up with anything better, on either side, for this election. I suppose that's yet to be confirmed, but whether or not Rudd succeeds in pulling the dagger out of his back and sticking it into Gillard's, it seems we're going to have either the glass or the poison (whichever Abbott was) as our next course.

At the last election all the feminists were so excited about having a female prime minister, and celebrating not having Abbott, who they considered a sexist bastard/pig/etc. As I suspected would be the case, Gillard did more harm for women than a worse chauvinist than Abbott would have. I couldn't care if we have a man, woman or penguin running the country, I just want a good job to be done. I don't think a bad job should reflect on the Prime Minister's entire gender, but that was always going to happen with the first female PM, and she made it worse by using feminism as a tool (which does reflect badly on any woman proud of using her as an example of her gender, though certainly not the gender as a whole, even if many people will see it that way).

If Abbott can do a good job of running the country I won't be so upset about his conservative values. Actually, I'm sick of issues like gay marriage and abortion and other such issues being key election topics. Sure, they're important, but for crying out loud, abortion laws aren't going to change so shut up (Gillard actually stooped to pretending to have fears that the opposition would change abortion laws because it would be a man in charge! I suppose to her credit she is probably correct about many women being stupid enough to fall for her ploy) and how about both sides just agree to go with whatever the majority of Australians want on issues like gay marriage so that the democracy works as it should regardless of who gets in and we can then be able to judge our prospective leaders based on real important issues relevant to running the country.
 


Fair enough, I understand, like I said it's just MY feeling that he would make a better PM than either of the options we have now - while the PM is technically the leader of our country, they are there to implement their Partys strategies/policies, and as such I feel like (Again, just my humble opinion) that someone of Turnbulls stature would make for a better public leader of Australia that the screaming red-head or bat-ears. If we look at the basics of voting, it shouldnt be that we vote for a particular person as PM, but for a party based on their policies or ideals.

Tony Abbot is by no means stupid (Rhodes Scholar rah rah rah), but I personally believe that he is too out of touch with modern times to take Australia to its potential future. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to find the Greens surge ahead in this election (though they need to make a bit more noise), as the gay, student and environmental vote increases.

Just my
 

Yes we've seen how a hip, modern times, sort of guy works as Prime Minister. lol
"I've got to zip and start tweeting".
Then we saw what a Green government looks like. Even Bob Brown jumped ship.

Let's get back to boring, hey.
 
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