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Jordan Peterson

On the CC ... Climate change issue,
Just to chime in, as someone who, well .... is involved and has been for some time, I do know his beliefs and he follows and quotes someone as I said, LOMBARD I think his name was that is a political science major who now calls himself something else, Peterson and others I suspect follow similar conspiracy crap that deniers of moon landings do.

Since 1978, now over 40 years, the most comprehensive measure on temperature has come from satellites and THEY as I said measure 500,000 places each day and every 30 or so minutes, so disputing their findings is, well absurd. Sure you may try to, but your stupid to do so.

Today, funnily enough, one of the issues I talked about, that Peterson dismissed and its associated with ACIDIFICATION and more to the methane side of it, today a report just came out and massive increases post 2010 till 2017/18 and the findings, actually make any and all PARIS agreements and limiting 1.5 degrees which always was a joke by 2100, even 3 now is out the window and after reading this paper, just published, I sadly am with most other fruitcakes up near a 10 degree impact by 2100. I would post the link but this guy is fruity, brilliant, but fruity to say the least. The paper however is not. Its a chilling paper and because one specialist, say in atmosphere does not speak to another like my ice guy at Cambridge and the other one at Oxford, the reason for the CH4 rise off the charts and at ARCTIC regions is as yet a mystery.

They do however as the fruity guy explained, issue a massive warning on it, hoping its not man made, or a feedback loop. Basically the CH4 levels as one goes further North, go off the scale by 100% rises above the average. Sadly even my best case of 10% Arctic permafrost melt and release by 2100 and hoping its not 20% because that is bad, well .... its bad. Shocking in fact.

Meanwhile MR plonker will sell his wares, Mr Trump has a hunch and sadly by 2100, because to build an accurate predictive model, the MORE ACCURATE input you have and without BS or missing pieces, its easy for me to answer why CH4 levels at the South pole are 100 PPM less than those at the NORTH POLE and where the increase in CH4 or Methane is coming from is sadly easy. In fact the 8 measuring stations in the North are well North of the fracking stuff going on so, despite hoping its not the case, it would appear just by the numbers, ignoring all else, Houston we have a problem.

Paris agreement is a joke. I suppose planting a billion trees is good, but a BB gun at 37.3 billion tones of which Australia owns 500,000 of that. So a hectare of trees absorbs 4 tons per year, but after fully grown it eventually goes into a cycle, and the CO2 capture stops. But leaving that aside, 2000 trees per Hectare as our fearless leader PM willy wonker is planting a billion trees so ... hmm 500,000 hectares and since its likely to already have CO2 absorbing stuff on it I would be fair in halving the numbers, BUT I SHALL NOT .... thats 5000 sq KM of planting ... but the numbers !! Ohh 4 tons per 5oo k so 2 million OUT OF 500 million we emit each year .... about 1% and its STOPS after 40 years !! So we still leave 99% not captured for 40 years. Problem solved.

Bravo ... no problemo at all Mr Plonker. CO2 is good as you said !! Pity ...

There are of course things to HOPE about, but it would first be productive for people in different fields to be speaking to each other, then again, its not a problem ... according to some. Hope is not going to cost anything we will notice, less than 1% of GDP diverted from supporting crap, not so much in Australia but the USA more so and getting something that removes CO2 at 500 times the rate and then do 5,000 sq KM at 500 if not 1000 the rate and move past this issue. Yes before you ask, there are things more efficient than trees !! Sadly by the time they get there, likely post 2050 and the first mass fail of crops globally and 100 million or so starving, if not 500 million, even that may not change things.

Must go put on my lipstick to make myself available for Mr PEterson ... even though I am male, I do know having watched American Beauty his real feelings on gender and sexuality.
 
On the CC ... Climate change issue,
Just to chime in, as someone who, well .... is involved and has been for some time, I do know his beliefs and he follows and quotes someone as I said, LOMBARD I think his name was that is a political science major who now calls himself something else, Peterson and others I suspect follow similar conspiracy crap that deniers of moon landings do.

Since 1978, now over 40 years, the most comprehensive measure on temperature has come from satellites and THEY as I said measure 500,000 places each day and every 30 or so minutes, so disputing their findings is, well absurd. Sure you may try to, but your stupid to do so.

Today, funnily enough, one of the issues I talked about, that Peterson dismissed and its associated with ACIDIFICATION and more to the methane side of it, today a report just came out and massive increases post 2010 till 2017/18 and the findings, actually make any and all PARIS agreements and limiting 1.5 degrees which always was a joke by 2100, even 3 now is out the window and after reading this paper, just published, I sadly am with most other fruitcakes up near a 10 degree impact by 2100. I would post the link but this guy is fruity, brilliant, but fruity to say the least. The paper however is not. Its a chilling paper and because one specialist, say in atmosphere does not speak to another like my ice guy at Cambridge and the other one at Oxford, the reason for the CH4 rise off the charts and at ARCTIC regions is as yet a mystery.

They do however as the fruity guy explained, issue a massive warning on it, hoping its not man made, or a feedback loop. Basically the CH4 levels as one goes further North, go off the scale by 100% rises above the average. Sadly even my best case of 10% Arctic permafrost melt and release by 2100 and hoping its not 20% because that is bad, well .... its bad. Shocking in fact.

Meanwhile MR plonker will sell his wares, Mr Trump has a hunch and sadly by 2100, because to build an accurate predictive model, the MORE ACCURATE input you have and without BS or missing pieces, its easy for me to answer why CH4 levels at the South pole are 100 PPM less than those at the NORTH POLE and where the increase in CH4 or Methane is coming from is sadly easy. In fact the 8 measuring stations in the North are well North of the fracking stuff going on so, despite hoping its not the case, it would appear just by the numbers, ignoring all else, Houston we have a problem.

Paris agreement is a joke. I suppose planting a billion trees is good, but a BB gun at 37.3 billion tones of which Australia owns 500,000 of that. So a hectare of trees absorbs 4 tons per year, but after fully grown it eventually goes into a cycle, and the CO2 capture stops. But leaving that aside, 2000 trees per Hectare as our fearless leader PM willy wonker is planting a billion trees so ... hmm 500,000 hectares and since its likely to already have CO2 absorbing stuff on it I would be fair in halving the numbers, BUT I SHALL NOT .... thats 5000 sq KM of planting ... but the numbers !! Ohh 4 tons per 5oo k so 2 million OUT OF 500 million we emit each year .... about 1% and its STOPS after 40 years !! So we still leave 99% not captured for 40 years. Problem solved.

Bravo ... no problemo at all Mr Plonker. CO2 is good as you said !! Pity ...

There are of course things to HOPE about, but it would first be productive for people in different fields to be speaking to each other, then again, its not a problem ... according to some. Hope is not going to cost anything we will notice, less than 1% of GDP diverted from supporting crap, not so much in Australia but the USA more so and getting something that removes CO2 at 500 times the rate and then do 5,000 sq KM at 500 if not 1000 the rate and move past this issue. Yes before you ask, there are things more efficient than trees !! Sadly by the time they get there, likely post 2050 and the first mass fail of crops globally and 100 million or so starving, if not 500 million, even that may not change things.

Must go put on my lipstick to make myself available for Mr PEterson ... even though I am male, I do know having watched American Beauty his real feelings on gender and sexuality.

@explod @basilio @rederob

Kahuna, thanks for the update. Are you suggesting that the Permafrost is realising Methane and the feedback loop has begun?
 
Since we're no longer on topic, I think now would be an opportune time for a brief musical interlude.
 
One of Peterson's main ways of attracting new disciples, is in one sentence denying climate change, then saying he has no opinion on it.

Sorry if you missed that, but its what annoyed me about him, along with his Homophobic ideals and telling women because they wear makeup they are asking for it, His own words.

Maybe take your interlude and the rest I might say would be ... not PC ... no love the ignore button ... one can resist the urge. Just ignore and I will get back to you .. like the joke how to keep an idiot in suspense ... then block them or in this case put them on ignore. I cant seem to get Peterson off U tube suggestions .... much like FOX news ... wish they had an ignore that worked.
 
... then block them or in this case put them on ignore. I cant seem to get Peterson off U tube suggestions .... much like FOX news ... wish they had an ignore that worked.

There are those that do, and those that do not, appreciate...

Anyhow the question of how one might effectively ignore, is best left to be answered by those with expertise in the art of ignorance.
 
On QandA, Peterson similarly dodged the question on whether he believes in God. He said something like he lives his life and acts as if there is a God, without any commitment either way. He knows that if he admits he is an atheist or nearly as evil, an agnostic, his game may be up.
If you were actually listening to him, there is not an once of doubt he believe in God.i am atheist and do not see anything wrong with that.
I am old school, i can tolerate different views
 
And about GW, there was not a single mention in his talk in Brisbane.
People were there to listen to him, and understand how they can better themselves and so the world.
The world will not be saved by the people who shoot denier to anyone reveling data not matching tgeir view of the world
Last year china increased c02 emissions by 4 pc, india by 6pc.china alone produce more than europe and usa combined
But it is the right, the deniers and JP who are to blame.take a cold shower while you can, the water is going to warm....and the more money we put closing coal power stations too early is the less money spent on mitigating the coming disaster
So in Australia, the shower will run dry while China will just ramp up theAC
Thanks a lot to the facts deniers...
 
@explod @basilio @rederob

Kahuna, thanks for the update. Are you suggesting that the Permafrost is realising Methane and the feedback loop has begun?
The methane has been escaping since the melt of permafrost began and is now contributing many times more pollution than all our transport and industry combined.

It's all over, just have a good time with what we have left.
 
So it would seem that some are saying, there's nothing for it but to await the oncoming...
 
It's difficult to take such emotive politicised arguments seriously
As it is to take a comment which completely ignores the information underlying the post.
Some time ago I watched Peterson's response to a question on climate change. It was clear he did not know what he was talking about, but he carried on nevertheless.
Peterson cleverly avoids some big picture issues by deceptively creating straw men in elaborative answers to questions. Millions continue to be fooled by him.
 
Whst our lefties fail to see here is that JP is here to flog his book. It is a commercial venture, yet our cutural Marxists and alarmists are expecting him to minister to their particular religion, or declare himself enemy combatent, whether that be Christianty, Atheism, Outraged Intersectional Postmodernism, or whatever.

He wants to make you think and sell books, not join your damned sect, and he's doing pretty doggone good at it.
 
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And about GW, there was not a single mention in his talk in Brisbane.
People were there to listen to him, and understand how they can better themselves and so the world.
The world will not be saved by the people who shoot denier to anyone reveling data not matching tgeir view of the world That is not a logical argument.
Last year china increased c02 emissions by 4 pc, india by 6pc.china alone produce more than europe and usa combined And many smaller countries were developing their economies and also significantly added CO2 to the planet. However, you get top marks for failing to tell readers that on a per capita basis the USA continues to spew out more CO2 than India or China.

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But it is the right, the deniers and JP who are to blame. "blame?" - for what? take a cold shower while you can, the water is going to warm....and the more money we put closing coal power stations too early commercial decisions of operators are involved - why charge customers more for energy when a cheaper source can be brought online? is the less money spent on mitigating the coming disaster how exactly does that make sense? First, the energy operators closing coal-fired plants are switching to cheaper renewables. Secondly, where is this "less money"?
So in Australia, the shower will run dry while China will just ramp up theAC No doubt many in China will continue to strive for a standard of living equal to ours. China's investment in renewable energy is unrivalled, accounting for nearly half of global contributions. Australia could learn a lot from China about renewables policy.
Thanks a lot to the facts deniers... Which facts?
 
Whst our lefties fail to see here is that JP is here to flog his book. It is a commercial venture, yet our cutural Marxists and alarmists are expecting him to minister to their particular religion, or declare himself enemy combatent, whether that be Christianty, Atheism, Outraged Intersectional Postmodernism, or whatever.

He wants to make you think and sell books, not join your damned sect, and he's doing pretty doggone good at it.
Bunkum.
It's irrelevant to science what JP thinks about global climate. Some people might care - his Patreon account is testimony. However, he has not yet indicated he knows much about the topic so it's best he sticks to psychology.
Not sure how your introduction of ideologies into science subject matter is sensible.
 
And about GW, there was not a single mention in his talk in Brisbane.
People were there to listen to him, and understand how they can better themselves and so the world.
The world will not be saved by the people who shoot denier to anyone reveling data not matching tgeir view of the world That is not a logical argument.
Last year china increased c02 emissions by 4 pc, india by 6pc.china alone produce more than europe and usa combined And many smaller countries were developing their economies and also significantly added CO2 to the planet. However, you get top marks for failing to tell readers that on a per capita basis the USA continues to spew out more CO2 than India or China.

essd-10-2141-2018-f05.png

But it is the right, the deniers and JP who are to blame. "blame?" - for what? take a cold shower while you can, the water is going to warm....and the more money we put closing coal power stations too early commercial decisions of operators are involved - why charge customers more for energy when a cheaper source can be brought online? is the less money spent on mitigating the coming disaster how exactly does that make sense? First, the energy operators closing coal-fired plants are switching to cheaper renewables. Secondly, where is this "less money"?
So in Australia, the shower will run dry while China will just ramp up theAC No doubt many in China will continue to strive for a standard of living equal to ours. China's investment in renewable energy is unrivalled, accounting for nearly half of global contributions. Australia could learn a lot from China about renewables policy.
Thanks a lot to the facts deniers... Which facts?

This is so seriously off topic Rob. There are plenty of more appropriate threads to add this sort of stuff to.

I watched Q+A yesterday and was taken with the calm courtesy everyone showed to each other.
I then went on to watch a few more hours of Peterson's videos. No doubt he is making money but more importantly he is helping people pull their lives together, giving them confidence that the future can be a better place for them. This is the thing which seems to touch Peterson the most, being able to help people improve their lives. This is probably what is the main appeal of the man and his message. Make the world a better place one step at a time, starting with sorting your immediate environment and relationships and move on to your immediate community. He is saying this sort of behaviour will flow through to the world. As above, so below. It is a very positive message. I think a positive message empowers people, a negative frightening message stultifies people.
 
This is so seriously off topic Rob. There are plenty of more appropriate threads to add this sort of stuff to.

I watched Q+A yesterday and was taken with the calm courtesy everyone showed to each other.
I then went on to watch a few more hours of Peterson's videos. No doubt he is making money but more importantly he is helping people pull their lives together, giving them confidence that the future can be a better place for them. This is the thing which seems to touch Peterson the most, being able to help people improve their lives. This is probably what is the main appeal of the man and his message. Make the world a better place one step at a time, starting with sorting your immediate environment and relationships and move on to your immediate community. He is saying this sort of behaviour will flow through to the world. As above, so below. It is a very positive message. I think a positive message empowers people, a negative frightening message stultifies people.
I addressed qldfrog's comments about Peterson and AGW. Given this is about Peterson, not sure your point is valid.
There was nothing factual or sensible in qldfrog's post apart from the fact Peterson spoke at Brisbane .
 
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Peterson is not good with the picture. He is at his best with psychology.
Of you ascribe to Peterson's teachings and you want to do your bit to make the world a better place, adding "likes" to posts which are nonsensical is not a good starting point.

You are being critical of me 'liking' posts which resonated with me?? My god! I thought you only abused me and name called me when I spoke. Now you are monitoring my likes!
 
Rederob seems to have appointed himself final arbiter of valid points of discussion and opinion, @Ann.

A bit of a scarcely amusing sideshow here.
 
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