Yeah I should have done that over 24 hours of the days i quoted
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I'm planning on getting one. My electricity bill is only $200 with a family of 4 and gas $170.
Not bad already. I'm interested in playing around with solar though.
5 years × 365 gives us 1825 days Times those 1825 days by 24 hours
43800 hours x 2 kilowatts
87600 kw x .26 cents
22776 ÷ 25 years
$ 911 or $228ish a bill which seems a bit much. Might have been too optimistic with effective hours of power production. Closer to half the figures maybe?
43800 hours x 2 kilowatts
87600 kw x .26 cents
22776 ÷ 25 years
$ 911 or $228ish a bill which seems a bit much. Might have been too optimistic with effective hours of power production. Closer to half the figures maybe?
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And some may be wondering what all this has to do with the price of last year's...
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I queried your comments Ann, and you again sidestep the issue.
Then why did you raise the issue in this thread?
Yet I was responding to existing posts here, not beginning a new topic.
If you are going to make claims in a thread, be prepared to back them in that same thread, or elsewhere if you prefer.
We jumped the Jordan Peterson shark already.
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Sorry Rob, not prepared to rise to your bait.
Jordan Peterson to debate Marxist theorist Slavoj Zizek on April 19 at the Sony Centre
The Rumble in the Realm of the Mind — Jordan Peterson vs. Slavoj Zizek — is coming to Toronto, as the two professors will debate “Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism” on April 19 at the Sony Centre.
Live Nation announced Thursday that tickets will go on sale March 1 for the clash between Peterson — the bestselling University of Toronto clinical psychologist still speaking to packed houses around the globe — and Zizek, a Slovenian Hegelian-Marxist critical theorist with a cult following of his own going back decades. The meeting apparently flows out of Zizek reportedly describing Peterson as his “enemy” last year at England’s Cambridge Union. Peterson responded feistily on Twitter by saying “Any time, any place, Mr. Zizek.”
I bet this will be a sell-out show...
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Jordan Peterson to debate Marxist theorist Slavoj Zizek on April 19 at the Sony Centre
The Rumble in the Realm of the Mind — Jordan Peterson vs. Slavoj Zizek — is coming to Toronto, as the two professors will debate “Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism” on April 19 at the Sony Centre.
Live Nation announced Thursday that tickets will go on sale March 1 for the clash between Peterson — the bestselling University of Toronto clinical psychologist still speaking to packed houses around the globe — and Zizek, a Slovenian Hegelian-Marxist critical theorist with a cult following of his own going back decades. The meeting apparently flows out of Zizek reportedly describing Peterson as his “enemy” last year at England’s Cambridge Union. Peterson responded feistily on Twitter by saying “Any time, any place, Mr. Zizek.”
I bet this will be a sell-out show...
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Sorry Anne,
I thought I had been respectful to Jordan as he would be to others and is to others and those like you with opposing views.
It has been on topic, his views, his CC views, his claims and his fabricated background quite clearly not true.
I was asked, to quote, challenged, in a respectful way, to provide evidence of his views and back it up. I did so. I did so with the actual person speaking. Quoting his words directly and backing it up via the sceince, he allegedly had some knowledge of.
I believe, the thread has been respectful, despite quite clearly differing views and maybe I have the person or persons maybe being abusive on ignore. I tend to do that. Its a gift from Joe !! If someone is trolling or being abusive, or merely ignoring written of spoken clearly beyond questioning of validity of the source, I tend to listen, if disagreed upon, which is often, respond and when and if it gets abusive or irrational, trying to convince someone of something when the evidence is in front of them is pointless.
I strongly with respect Anne and others that may have been offended by some post that likely I have on ignore, the poster, to do the same, do it to me. Please.
JP and his CC and other views on humanity, are not even close to what in my opinion, which matters for little, his views separate him from being human.
On CC, I note, son of the very racist head of planned parenthood, who's father worked for planned parenthood, has similar dismissive views about green energy. Opinion ? Or factual ?
Yes when the sun does not shine or the wind not blow, a gas fired LNG plant can be turned on without any delay. Sun comes out, wind blows, its turned off. If its turned off 50% of the time due to wind or solar being used, its absurd as JP claims some experience in this field about it being not CO2 saving.
JP and fellow right wing pro people, as he is so dismissive of green energy and all the rest, his words, time and time and time again and I shared 3 out of 15 different speeches I have sadly had to watch of him, is interesting.
Australia, it planning to plant 1 billion trees and I missed a few decimal places last time, but its not going to change JP view that CO2 is good for you !! Even 50,000 scientists agreeing upon the UN recent statement. It was tamed down and watered down and I doubt even 5% of them believe 1.5 Degrees is even remotely possible. They do and did however unilaterally agree if it rises 2 degrees and above, awful things happen.
We emitted as a species 37 billion tons of CO2 last year. A new record. If they planted 100 million sq km of trees it would absorb this for the next 40 years. But again an aside for JP. Basically, even if we tried and 50 million out of 134 million sq km is growing food ,,,, in total 100 million of 134 million sq km used and impossible to plant trees upon .... and the rest, some of it, a lot of it, the remaining 34 million sq KM well 8 million sq KM is under ice in the Antarctic and the similar northern region suffers a similar freezing for now fate. then we have alps like the K2 and other regions ... leaving a maybe 5 out of 30 million sq km LEFT that already has some form of vegetation ... will soak up a mere 5% of it.
JP, is dismissive and dismissive in the extreme on any and all temperature rises, Much like Trump, like Pauline Hanson and so on.
If you have found me abusive, of in some ways off topic, or disrespectful, please just put me on ignore as I did to one on this thread. Its saves trolls, and responding to bait and getting annoyed.
Thanks for all the thinking everyone. I might add, amusingly in 1938 Time named a person man of the year, in 2016 Donald who echos JP's views to the letter, or vica versa was named man of the year. Donald is going for the Nobel prize ... and its interesting to read who made it, and who did not. Some great names on the Times list, some awful ones. JP is a mere fly enabling what should have been a lesson a long time ago and stomped out, to have as we are seeing people going ... HELL NO. I am merely adding my HELL no to his racist sexist, hate filled intolerant and uneducated views. In that I mean Jordan Peterson the topic of this thread !!
If that upsets you. I am sorry.
I thought I had been respectful to Jordan as he would be to others and is to others and those like you with opposing views.
It has been on topic, his views, his CC views, his claims and his fabricated background quite clearly not true.
I was asked, to quote, challenged, in a respectful way, to provide evidence of his views and back it up. I did so. I did so with the actual person speaking. Quoting his words directly and backing it up via the sceince, he allegedly had some knowledge of.
I believe, the thread has been respectful, despite quite clearly differing views and maybe I have the person or persons maybe being abusive on ignore. I tend to do that. Its a gift from Joe !! If someone is trolling or being abusive, or merely ignoring written of spoken clearly beyond questioning of validity of the source, I tend to listen, if disagreed upon, which is often, respond and when and if it gets abusive or irrational, trying to convince someone of something when the evidence is in front of them is pointless.
I strongly with respect Anne and others that may have been offended by some post that likely I have on ignore, the poster, to do the same, do it to me. Please.
JP and his CC and other views on humanity, are not even close to what in my opinion, which matters for little, his views separate him from being human.
On CC, I note, son of the very racist head of planned parenthood, who's father worked for planned parenthood, has similar dismissive views about green energy. Opinion ? Or factual ?
Yes when the sun does not shine or the wind not blow, a gas fired LNG plant can be turned on without any delay. Sun comes out, wind blows, its turned off. If its turned off 50% of the time due to wind or solar being used, its absurd as JP claims some experience in this field about it being not CO2 saving.
JP and fellow right wing pro people, as he is so dismissive of green energy and all the rest, his words, time and time and time again and I shared 3 out of 15 different speeches I have sadly had to watch of him, is interesting.
Australia, it planning to plant 1 billion trees and I missed a few decimal places last time, but its not going to change JP view that CO2 is good for you !! Even 50,000 scientists agreeing upon the UN recent statement. It was tamed down and watered down and I doubt even 5% of them believe 1.5 Degrees is even remotely possible. They do and did however unilaterally agree if it rises 2 degrees and above, awful things happen.
We emitted as a species 37 billion tons of CO2 last year. A new record. If they planted 100 million sq km of trees it would absorb this for the next 40 years. But again an aside for JP. Basically, even if we tried and 50 million out of 134 million sq km is growing food ,,,, in total 100 million of 134 million sq km used and impossible to plant trees upon .... and the rest, some of it, a lot of it, the remaining 34 million sq KM well 8 million sq KM is under ice in the Antarctic and the similar northern region suffers a similar freezing for now fate. then we have alps like the K2 and other regions ... leaving a maybe 5 out of 30 million sq km LEFT that already has some form of vegetation ... will soak up a mere 5% of it.
JP, is dismissive and dismissive in the extreme on any and all temperature rises, Much like Trump, like Pauline Hanson and so on.
If you have found me abusive, of in some ways off topic, or disrespectful, please just put me on ignore as I did to one on this thread. Its saves trolls, and responding to bait and getting annoyed.
Thanks for all the thinking everyone. I might add, amusingly in 1938 Time named a person man of the year, in 2016 Donald who echos JP's views to the letter, or vica versa was named man of the year. Donald is going for the Nobel prize ... and its interesting to read who made it, and who did not. Some great names on the Times list, some awful ones. JP is a mere fly enabling what should have been a lesson a long time ago and stomped out, to have as we are seeing people going ... HELL NO. I am merely adding my HELL no to his racist sexist, hate filled intolerant and uneducated views. In that I mean Jordan Peterson the topic of this thread !!
If that upsets you. I am sorry.
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Hi Kahuna, I have looked back to see where we have spoken to each other on this thread, so far I can't find anything. From my side you have done or said nothing to offend me to require an apology. I must beg your forgiveness but I am dyslexic and very long posts such as yours can be too much of a challenge to read. Mostly I don't manage to read all of your content. Not because it lacks points of interest, just due to my abilities or lack of them.
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My studies with Dr Peterson are in their infancy at this stage, but I have learned a little.
Disingenuous
adjective - not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
No I don't believe this is the case. I try to keep up with things but don't believe I know more than I profess to know.
Disingenuous
synonyms -
dishonest, deceitful, underhand, underhanded, duplicitous, double-dealing, two-faced, dissembling, insincere, false, lying, untruthful, mendacious;
not candid, not frank, not entirely truthful;
artful, cunning, crafty, wily, sly, sneaky, tricky, scheming, calculating, designing, devious, unscrupulous;
If these are the names you are calling me then I find your description of me entirely reprehensible and I don't think we have a basis for any further discussion here or anywhere else on this forum.
What I have had re-enforced from Dr Peterson is whenever you are being attacked and your opinion is being belittled "Do not cast pearls before swine" move away from them.
I'm on ignore so easy pickings...
Nothing you posted pointed at any solid proof of anything. Some long stretches maybe.
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I am commenting on your actions, where you make claims but cannot back them up, you raise issues about "reasonable" discussion but refuse to indulge, and then accuse me of "baiting" when I respond to what you have said.
You might actually need to cast the pearls in the first place as you offer very little.
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Ann,
yes at times my posts are long. I remember a very detailed discussion we had many moons ago about Uranium. I was NOT a fan longer term for many reasons. MANY. You were. I shared, back in 2006/7/8 very detailed research going back for a long time.
Your posts and detailed very LONG posts were, well, very .. blunt in 2006 .
Now your telling me ... I am dyslexic and very long posts such as yours can be too much of a challenge
I am so sorry you have developed adult Dyslexia since 2006 and wish you all the very best.
take care
yes at times my posts are long. I remember a very detailed discussion we had many moons ago about Uranium. I was NOT a fan longer term for many reasons. MANY. You were. I shared, back in 2006/7/8 very detailed research going back for a long time.
Your posts and detailed very LONG posts were, well, very .. blunt in 2006 .
Now your telling me ... I am dyslexic and very long posts such as yours can be too much of a challenge
I am so sorry you have developed adult Dyslexia since 2006 and wish you all the very best.
take care
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Maybe this is a good point to get this thread back on topic.
I would like to suggest a draw and that any further discussion in relation to GW or CC be referred to other more appropriate threads.
Clearly Peterson is not an expert in GW or CC so his opinion on that subject could be limited to the fact that he thinks it would be a good idea for people to “clean their own rooms” before trying to change the world. So you can either like or not like that concept.
I would like to suggest a draw and that any further discussion in relation to GW or CC be referred to other more appropriate threads.
Clearly Peterson is not an expert in GW or CC so his opinion on that subject could be limited to the fact that he thinks it would be a good idea for people to “clean their own rooms” before trying to change the world. So you can either like or not like that concept.
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???
If people are quoting what Jordan Peterson has said, how is that not on topic.
Kahuna1 has been critical of Peterson's statements on climate change in this thread to make a point about how Peterson should be regarded more broadly.
Peterson speaks the language of science deniers when it comes to climate change issues. For example, in one of Kahunas1's links he says "... I think the climate is probably warming, but it's been warming since the last ice age...." That's just a stupid comment on a matter where his background work with the IPCC would have given him a clear understanding of the proper contextual use of "climate change".
When pressed on the fact that warming has accelerated in recent decades he shrugs his head and says "yeah, maybe, possibly, it's not so obvious...." Then he goes on to explain about the books he read when working for the IPCC for 2 years, and he reiterates "it's not so obvious what's happening...."
Has Peterson been hiding under a log to miss what the modern temperature record looks like?
His view tempers to be along the lines that climate change "... is so politicised that it'is difficult to parse out the data from the politicisation."
It's an interesting stance, but politics does not change the data. Politics either accepts the data, or denies it; there is no need to "parse" it. Politics either accepts the science, or denies it. These are basic conceptual understandings and reflect either Peterson's abuse of language or denial of science, possibly both.
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Hi,
WHilst blushing, off the CC Peterson view, his whole package is NOT to be PC. PC or being not PC is an excuse to be intolerant. To be totally and openly intolerant. Jordan Peterson, MAY put as many qualifiers around the topic he likes, but the bottom line is HE will not do the PC thing because its expected.
Courtesy, common decency is that whilst we may have differing opinions, religions, sexual orientations and so on, his message is its OK to openly refuse common courtesy.
I know the pro JP people are chomping at the bit, no no no that's not his message to see someone who is obviously and openly gay or LBTQ or whatever and OPENLY display his disdain to them and their beliefs by not even been cautious. If the NORM is to call them whatever pro noun it is, SO WHAT.
It costs NOTHING .... common decency and courtesy. They are not harming you, by refusing to NOT call them whatever is their preferred form of WHO they are, is like calling a dark skinned person ... BOY .... whoops did that just slip out, must have been the Jordan effect, or a first Australian an ABBO, which whilst a mere shortening of the Aboriginal term is not what I would call any first Australian. I would and do at times debate and quite openly issues they raise, from the opposing side, I am not racist in doing so, merely being of a differing opinion or asking the community to take ownership of some issue that can only be remedied inside the community with any effect.
There is a limit to tolerance, a limit to SAYING no, and a limit and boundary to standing up and if offended stating your case and making it. If being heterosexual I said no, it means NO. If I was impolite when Ann who replied on the thread and said she had dyslexia, after having had some very long back and forth posts in the past with ANN, if I were to openly state adult onset dyslexia is actually called dementia that would be impolite. On the boundary of it at least.
I did not do so, but upon reflection as I am sure she will respond, even with her new condition, I would like again to wish her, even though I don't know her a safe journey through life and her illness. that is what common courtesy is. I do actually wish her the very best. Cost me 20 seconds of typing !!
A boundary is a boundary. Refusing to NOT call someone you don't know their name by some name such as BOY or PEDRO if your American or Chief for the native Americans, IS ... what this plonker Peterson is promoting. Stand up for some perceived injustice and its NOW ok to openly display your hate, dislike or lack of understanding and compassion.
Sorry, as I said, he lacks parts that make us human. I openly and with reason and good cause say that. Having endured 15 hours of his lectures and talks and views, I did always wonder why FOX has him on time and time again. I do love FOX and Murdoch during one interview quoting that African Americans should get over it, having been slaves, because no one even their Grandma was a slave.
Hilarious work Jordan.
WHilst blushing, off the CC Peterson view, his whole package is NOT to be PC. PC or being not PC is an excuse to be intolerant. To be totally and openly intolerant. Jordan Peterson, MAY put as many qualifiers around the topic he likes, but the bottom line is HE will not do the PC thing because its expected.
Courtesy, common decency is that whilst we may have differing opinions, religions, sexual orientations and so on, his message is its OK to openly refuse common courtesy.
I know the pro JP people are chomping at the bit, no no no that's not his message to see someone who is obviously and openly gay or LBTQ or whatever and OPENLY display his disdain to them and their beliefs by not even been cautious. If the NORM is to call them whatever pro noun it is, SO WHAT.
It costs NOTHING .... common decency and courtesy. They are not harming you, by refusing to NOT call them whatever is their preferred form of WHO they are, is like calling a dark skinned person ... BOY .... whoops did that just slip out, must have been the Jordan effect, or a first Australian an ABBO, which whilst a mere shortening of the Aboriginal term is not what I would call any first Australian. I would and do at times debate and quite openly issues they raise, from the opposing side, I am not racist in doing so, merely being of a differing opinion or asking the community to take ownership of some issue that can only be remedied inside the community with any effect.
There is a limit to tolerance, a limit to SAYING no, and a limit and boundary to standing up and if offended stating your case and making it. If being heterosexual I said no, it means NO. If I was impolite when Ann who replied on the thread and said she had dyslexia, after having had some very long back and forth posts in the past with ANN, if I were to openly state adult onset dyslexia is actually called dementia that would be impolite. On the boundary of it at least.
I did not do so, but upon reflection as I am sure she will respond, even with her new condition, I would like again to wish her, even though I don't know her a safe journey through life and her illness. that is what common courtesy is. I do actually wish her the very best. Cost me 20 seconds of typing !!
A boundary is a boundary. Refusing to NOT call someone you don't know their name by some name such as BOY or PEDRO if your American or Chief for the native Americans, IS ... what this plonker Peterson is promoting. Stand up for some perceived injustice and its NOW ok to openly display your hate, dislike or lack of understanding and compassion.
Sorry, as I said, he lacks parts that make us human. I openly and with reason and good cause say that. Having endured 15 hours of his lectures and talks and views, I did always wonder why FOX has him on time and time again. I do love FOX and Murdoch during one interview quoting that African Americans should get over it, having been slaves, because no one even their Grandma was a slave.
Hilarious work Jordan.