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Darc Knight said:
He probably needs to shut his mouth on certain serious topics like Climate Change as all the right-wing nutjob zealots hang off his every word.
Cue the right wing nutjob zealots :p
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Maybe but he can also see propaganda when he sees it.
For me, pretending we will reduce/somewhat limit GW is propaganda, it does not look at facts
Where does Co2 come from by country, the trends, why the link to overpopulation, the proposed solution which are not looking at side effects etc etc
And so easy way is label me/him as denier..seriously?
 
Darc Knight said:
Cue the right wing nutjob zealots :p
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You rang?

Perhaps people should stop asking a shrink. And I don't agree that he shouldn't have an opinion. We should be skeptical about some of the crap coming out of climate science. There were figures and emails before, that muddied the waters of trust.

And he is exactly on target with a certain group think coming from the usual drones.

We have one group of people trying to discuss the topics and the other trying to discredit the guy. I wonder why that is exactly?

SirRumpole said:
I think he's just too boring and doesn't really say anything
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I feel exactly the same way about the left....
I should say "The hive mind left".
 
qldfrog said:
Maybe but he can also see propaganda when he sees it.
For me, pretending we will reduce/somewhat limit GW is propaganda, it does not look at facts
Where does Co2 come from by country, the trends, why the link to overpopulation, the proposed solution which are not looking at side effects etc etc
And so easy way is label me/him as denier..seriously?
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Doing nothing guarantees the Earth becomes an acidic fireball. Trying at least gives us a chance.
Then there's the question of motive. Did Peterson just publicly doubt the CC data just to appease his market?
 
Sorry, has Petersen ever said he believes in human induced climate change? You'd think he'd at least say that before publicly doubting the data.
 
Darc Knight said:
Sorry, has Petersen ever said he believes in human induced climate change? You'd think he'd at least say that before publicly doubting the data.
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un.org/en/development/desa/policy/untaskteam_undf/HLP P2015 Report.pdf

I'm sure there is another one as well.

Interestingly enough I came across this rightwing forum where he is also getting bashed in the comments. Guess he ain't finding love anywhere amongst the extremes.
https://zigforums.com/thread/11576451/politics/happening-jordan-peterson-worked-for-the-united.html

As for the question he seems to be on the lower end of emergency for climate change?

Some comments:

i don't quite understand what the implication is supposed to be here. it's already obvious that Peterson doesn't share our authoritarian right wing views, he's open about the fact he's an socially liberal centrist. his utility doesn't lie in his political views, rather that he encourages young white men to sort their lives out and stop making excuses for themselves.
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he is open about being a liberal centrist This alone is enough to distrust him. Telling people to stop making excuses is his deflection to the k@ke questions. Anyone running interference for k@kes is a traitor, he is only there to splinter any grass roots movements before they can begin.
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Darc Knight said:
It's 81 pages Mo! Does he say somewhere in there that he believes in human induced climate change?
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He took part in it. Obviously that report must be part of his ethos. Or perhaps he just needed the money?

He just posted this on his Twitter feed:

"This is very much worth paying attention to".
https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why-renewables-cant-save-the-planet/

He seems pro nuke not fossil fuel.

If you trawl his Twitter you would probably find an answer.

This was in the comments and not a post of peterson:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...hey-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/#2ee85b8121cc

Something I didn't consider before but the amount of waste is staggering. Time to look at how to recycle these things and make some $.
 
Darc Knight said:
Doing nothing guarantees the Earth becomes an acidic fireball. Trying at least gives us a chance.
Then there's the question of motive. Did Peterson just publicly doubt the CC data just to appease his market?
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He is advocating that we need to raise people out of poverty quickly as the data shows they start caring about the environment at a certain level.
You also produce more people with the smarts to tackle the problem.

Thats the jist of his comments. So it's not "do nothing" just another avenue. You would expect that type of social method from a shrink as well.
 
moXJO said:
He is advocating that we need to raise people out of poverty quickly as the data shows they start caring about the environment at a certain level.
You also produce more people with the smarts to tackle the problem.

Thats the jist of his comments. So it's not "do nothing" just another avenue. You would expect that type of social method from a shrink as well.
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Yes, I saw that vid. Seems absurd. By the time we raise everyone out of poverty we'll have invented time travel etc. By that time Earth will be an acidic fireball.
Like he was just ducking and weaving.
 
Peterson is again on Fox news, being waved as their ANTI PC boy .... Brownshirt ... all for BLACK HISTORY MONTH ....

I do love one person, FOX thing ... not person going there are no blacks that even have grandparents who were slaves. Its denied ... DENIED their is any racism and YEP Peterson ... the plonker and his views, maybe he should just admit he is homophobic whilst being a secret gay and of course a KKK card carrying member who can see injustice in the USSR but ignores it in his backyard.

OH I love FOX


There is a better one .... the guy Trump put in to protect rights of minorities .... in charge of Treasury Civil rights program .... in charge of the money ...



HE would make Peterson proud !! White ... ignorant, intolerant and racist, sexist and all in a climate denying package.
 
kahuna1 said:
Peterson is again on Fox news, being waved as their ANTI PC boy .... Brownshirt ... all for BLACK HISTORY MONTH ....

I do love one person, FOX thing ... not person going there are no blacks that even have grandparents who were slaves. Its denied ... DENIED their is any racism and YEP Peterson ... the plonker and his views, maybe he should just admit he is homophobic whilst being a secret gay and of course a KKK card carrying member who can see injustice in the USSR but ignores it in his backyard.

OH I love FOX


There is a better one .... the guy Trump put in to protect rights of minorities .... in charge of Treasury Civil rights program .... in charge of the money ...



HE would make Peterson proud !! White ... ignorant, intolerant and racist, sexist and all in a climate denying package.
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From the alt right blog:

It's a nice feeling to know the exact job where your psyops controllers were recruited. Is anybody surprised that Peterson's meteoric rise – which followed one of the most contrived and safe "controversies" I've ever seen – has met only (((token resistance)))? Remember that time Google suspended all his ****. . . and then gave it back with an "oops"? Or how Based Professor Jewhusband shits himself when a WN shows up to chat onstage next to him? Or the way he's corralled the lost young man demographic and turned them into Rick and Morty-tier cultists by making them feel smart? It's okay, Jordan. We know you've been a good goy running ops for those millions. You're not the first. Just know that the losers you've siphoned off are all shitty soldiers, and that you've only made us stronger by separating the chaff. Hope you like disaster movies.
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You have a friend in the extreme right!

Funny how the attacks are mirrored either side.
 
Darc Knight said:
He probably needs to shut his mouth on certain serious topics like Climate Change as all the right-wing nutjob zealots hang off his every word.
Cue the right wing nutjob zealots :p
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You rang?

Actually his position, if you listen properly, is not one of denial.

It is actually a comment about the politicisation of climate science and separating the politicization from the actual real science. Secondly it is about the pragmatic realities of what can and should or should not be done about it.

Therefore zealots from both the extreme lwft and extreme right will not like his viewpoint as it is not denial, nor is it outright alarmism; it agrees with neither.
 
oooh I missed the last part ... NO hate crimes ....
FOX like Peterson, like Trump, is missing as humans parts that make us human, compassion, empathy, remorse and conscience.

Two more goodies MR Peterson helped create and his views ..



NO NO ... no hate crimes, it took Trump over a week to condemn the driver, he called it good people on BOTH sides, this was when when a white supremacist drove a vehicle into a crowd killing one, injuring 20, It took a week for Trump to say anything .... the crowd protesting white KKK members in full display.

Anyhow, Mr Peterson world ... so removed from our own. SO REMOVED !! yesterday in rural town, a dark skinned man, poor English, asked me for directions. I could not help. He was likely from India or Pakistan or Afghanistan. The next two people, BOTH ... stopped ... BOTH ... and one could not help the other could and did so. NO fuss no muss .... I do love Australia that much I now think idiots like Peterson deserve egging when they come here !!

Here is MR Peterson and his NON PC world ....

Hate groups reach all time record .... JUST to show how full of poo poo Fox Nazis are.

 
So Fox holds Peterson up as an all knowing God of intellectual greatness - promoting Peterson (and thereby his Books and Tours etc). Peterson promotes right wing views. Peterson says he's skeptcal of CC data but won't say he believes in CC.
Join the dots. He's playing to his audience somewhat. He won't bite the hand that feeds him (Fox and the Right).
 
Darc Knight said:
So Fox holds Peterson up as an all knowing God of intellectual greatness - promoting Peterson (and thereby his Books and Tours etc). Peterson promotes right wing views. Peterson says he's skeptcal of CC data but won't say he believes in CC.
Join the dots. He's playing to his audience somewhat. He won't bite the hand that feeds him (Fox and the Right).
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Oh boy :rolleyes:

There is nothing right wing about JP, unless your view is from left if Pol Pot... and regarding cc data, one could not regard him as anything more than trying to be object. He may be right or he may be wrong on this... or at some point in between.

JP being objective as such, stating a "belief" in cc is antiscience and subjective. You are asking him for nothing less than becoming a member of your religion, Bruce.

Analysing data is not a matter of belief, it is a matter of empirical evidence.

As such, he is right not to ascribe "belief" in cc.
 
wayneL said:
Oh boy :rolleyes:

There is nothing right wing about JP, unless your view is from left if Pol Pot... and regarding cc data, one could not regard him as anything more than trying to be object. He may be right or he may be wrong on this... or at some point in between.

JP being objective as such, stating a "belief" in cc is antiscience and subjective. You are asking him for nothing less than becoming a member of your religion, Bruce.

Analysing data is not a matter of belief, it is a matter of empirical evidence.

As such, he is right not to ascribe "belief" in cc.
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Mate, when asked if he believes in CC he says he is skeptical about some of the data. Every field of knowledge probably has some data which can be disputed. He then starts banging on about how people in poverty don't care about CC due to their immediate dire situation. He totally avoids the question. He doesn't want to come out and say he knows CC is real, because that would alienate his market and promoters (Fox and the Right). He's whispering sweet nothings in your ear.
 


dutchie said:
1. Africa - clean up your room!
2. The Middle East - clean up your room!
3. Islam - clean up your room!
4. Europe - stop letting 1., 2. and 3. mess up your room!
5. The West (including Australia) - stop letting 1., 2. and 3. mess up your room!
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I think you missed his point dutchie, the list should read...

1. dutchie - clean up your room, then Africa etc...

Or in my case ...

1. Ann - clean up your room.

He is saying if you clean up your own part of the world, starting with your room, your house, your garden, your street, your suburb, your city, your county then the world will follow.

But unless your own life, health and home is in order first then there is no point expecting anything more from the world. The world will only ever be as good as you are. Are you the best you can be? I know I can improve myself and my world. I will give it a go, let's see what happens.

Tisme said:
Jordan is popular because he speaks with common sense, not political ideology and is far from being an idealogue
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Thank you very much for starting this thread Tisme. I knew nothing of him. I have heard it all before but he says it so well, it all bears repeating!
 
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