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If the points were valid, then show that to be so.
You posts to date don't suggest you are good at that.
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You posts to date don't suggest you are good at that.
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Can't help you, Red. Manspainin' the obvious to you isn't high on my list of priorities.
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Your comments which remain unsupported are at issue here.
If you want to interject, at least try to help yourself with something useful.
My response to qldfrog detailed where I considered his points were not sound.
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Stick to providing the Comedy Wayne 
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This is the problem as I see it Wayne, reasonable people can have reasonable discussions with each other about a multitude of diverse subjects and learn from the discourse. Then there are those who have been indoctrinated into a belief system and any argument which diverges from their believe system must be derided by any means. It creates division and tension instead of unity and growth.
A good society gives each other respect and the right of comment without fear of name calling or derision. That is what I saw on Q+A. That is what Joe asks for on ASF. I name called someone here once and for that I will always be eternally ashamed. (Too much red wine, not an excuse.)
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Ann, and others,
with utmost respect, it is on topic. Peterson, is NOT to blame, of course, not. He is however the vocal excuse used by some of the right wing parties for their racist, sexist, hate or climate denying people.
I have been trying to keep it about JP and one of his eye rolls about climate change and dismissive totally of any and all issues is the point, WHY we are talking about Climate on this thread, WHY it appears on the face of it NOT about JP, but it is. JP clearly lied about his experience with CC and working for the UN. He was in clinical practice till 2018 seeing 20 patients a week whilst a full time professor and he has NO scientific qualifications AT all. NO scientific papers, NO experience in the area, and NO background.
HE quotes as his source of informati0n, ANOTHER bloody bookseller, Lombard, who has a degree in political science. NO scientific qualifications, no published papers, NO background and NO experience in relevant fields.
I took exception to Jordan Peterson well prior to actually taking the time to listen closely to his drivel.
A well founded question about ocean acidification, a well known simple chemical reaction and one that has seen total acid levels rise 50% post 1900 and post 1980 at a faster rate, his response was NO ... one word ... NO he is not worried.
His words, next were I have NO view on climate change, then ... dismisses all of it. Rolls his eyes about climate temperature change and questions it despite satellites for 40 years post 1978 measuring it with accuracy beyond any question, NO .... then he goes on and on. His view about renewable s is belied by some EU nations drawing 50% ... YES 50% of their total power used from green power, HE uses a throw away line about ... it costing MORE CO2 than it saves, an absurd ... totally absurd call. What the hell is he saying that coal fired power stations operate whilst the sun is OUT or the wind is blowing ?
Australia now has 2 million HOMES with solar on their roof. Why the bloody hell would you put it there, now the subsidies of old are gone to a great extent ? People swallow this turkeys stuff, and more are influenced by it being repeated by stations like FOX and others. The simple question one could ask 2 million households with solar on their roof is about their power bill. ONE simple question to illustrate how ABSURD and actually damaging people like Peterson are. The simple question is, does your power bill go DOWN or up with a 4k solar array on your roof ?
Short and to the point. Peterson his response was GOOD luck with renewable s and his throw away whilst claiming not to have a view is that, it cost MORE Co2.
the answer is of course DOWN ... in power bills. DOWN a lot. The next logical question is WHY would your power bill go DOWN ... if it was NOT stopping a coal fired or carbon based say gas fired power station from being turned ON ? Idiotically simple but in this ... a person so sick, so deranged metally seamlessly sticks two things together and hey presto they have told you the biggest total heap of bull dust, and its swallowed and some person is paying to listen to drivel !! DRIVEL so simple to see past, that it hurts.
This is the trick of the truly mentally disturbed and here we have a shrink and thats all this guy is, using a psychopath or sociopaths techniques. Hence after listening to other views, its clear, ALL is not well with this person.
Peterson I would agree is NOT the only person or main cause, he is just santas helper along the way on this topic. OOHH I believe or have no view whilst I shred any person who does have a scientifically backed one.
Outside this, his other views are so DUK YOU to to everyone that I found myself looking at women and as I walked down the street all of them had some form of makeup on, and in Petersons own words they all WANTED me, wanted sex with me and thats why they wore it. Such a distasteful abuse of 50% of humanity. Then again, we have a president leading us, via remote, who thinks its ok to have 15 women with sexual complaints against them, to pay some off to silence them during the election and here we have the champion of the DUK you movement, Jordan Peterson who admits he has to turn off 80% of his brain when a woman is there because he is worried he may say the wrong thing.
What a winner this DUK You PETERSON movement is .... yes girls you all want me. NOT.
One either puts up, shuts up, or says or does something, as I said. In this case, humanity would be far better served if this person was not promoting hate, not denying science and not debasing half the population.
All just to sell books. How pathetic. Ann, with respect, it is NOT about beliefs, it is about what separates us as being human, from NOT being Human. At times we, mostly males go back to violent states and murder, kill and become base animals, not killing for food, but for beliefs. When someone is trying to blurr the lines of compassion, empathy, kindness and replace it with their view its ok to come out and blurt what someone different to you is annoying you for their sexual preference, or color of their skin, or gender ... or what they wear, its time to go get ducked and do so with peaceful argument and if needed protest and vocal expressions of NO. Each to their own, except where it threatens the very fabric of your existence and thats not Peterson alone, he is just a small chink in the bigger picture of the world as we have it in 2019.
How utterly pathetic this man is. Sorry he does not qualify for being human due to missing parts, so this thing is.
with utmost respect, it is on topic. Peterson, is NOT to blame, of course, not. He is however the vocal excuse used by some of the right wing parties for their racist, sexist, hate or climate denying people.
I have been trying to keep it about JP and one of his eye rolls about climate change and dismissive totally of any and all issues is the point, WHY we are talking about Climate on this thread, WHY it appears on the face of it NOT about JP, but it is. JP clearly lied about his experience with CC and working for the UN. He was in clinical practice till 2018 seeing 20 patients a week whilst a full time professor and he has NO scientific qualifications AT all. NO scientific papers, NO experience in the area, and NO background.
HE quotes as his source of informati0n, ANOTHER bloody bookseller, Lombard, who has a degree in political science. NO scientific qualifications, no published papers, NO background and NO experience in relevant fields.
I took exception to Jordan Peterson well prior to actually taking the time to listen closely to his drivel.
A well founded question about ocean acidification, a well known simple chemical reaction and one that has seen total acid levels rise 50% post 1900 and post 1980 at a faster rate, his response was NO ... one word ... NO he is not worried.
His words, next were I have NO view on climate change, then ... dismisses all of it. Rolls his eyes about climate temperature change and questions it despite satellites for 40 years post 1978 measuring it with accuracy beyond any question, NO .... then he goes on and on. His view about renewable s is belied by some EU nations drawing 50% ... YES 50% of their total power used from green power, HE uses a throw away line about ... it costing MORE CO2 than it saves, an absurd ... totally absurd call. What the hell is he saying that coal fired power stations operate whilst the sun is OUT or the wind is blowing ?
Australia now has 2 million HOMES with solar on their roof. Why the bloody hell would you put it there, now the subsidies of old are gone to a great extent ? People swallow this turkeys stuff, and more are influenced by it being repeated by stations like FOX and others. The simple question one could ask 2 million households with solar on their roof is about their power bill. ONE simple question to illustrate how ABSURD and actually damaging people like Peterson are. The simple question is, does your power bill go DOWN or up with a 4k solar array on your roof ?
Short and to the point. Peterson his response was GOOD luck with renewable s and his throw away whilst claiming not to have a view is that, it cost MORE Co2.
the answer is of course DOWN ... in power bills. DOWN a lot. The next logical question is WHY would your power bill go DOWN ... if it was NOT stopping a coal fired or carbon based say gas fired power station from being turned ON ? Idiotically simple but in this ... a person so sick, so deranged metally seamlessly sticks two things together and hey presto they have told you the biggest total heap of bull dust, and its swallowed and some person is paying to listen to drivel !! DRIVEL so simple to see past, that it hurts.
This is the trick of the truly mentally disturbed and here we have a shrink and thats all this guy is, using a psychopath or sociopaths techniques. Hence after listening to other views, its clear, ALL is not well with this person.
Peterson I would agree is NOT the only person or main cause, he is just santas helper along the way on this topic. OOHH I believe or have no view whilst I shred any person who does have a scientifically backed one.
Outside this, his other views are so DUK YOU to to everyone that I found myself looking at women and as I walked down the street all of them had some form of makeup on, and in Petersons own words they all WANTED me, wanted sex with me and thats why they wore it. Such a distasteful abuse of 50% of humanity. Then again, we have a president leading us, via remote, who thinks its ok to have 15 women with sexual complaints against them, to pay some off to silence them during the election and here we have the champion of the DUK you movement, Jordan Peterson who admits he has to turn off 80% of his brain when a woman is there because he is worried he may say the wrong thing.
What a winner this DUK You PETERSON movement is .... yes girls you all want me. NOT.
One either puts up, shuts up, or says or does something, as I said. In this case, humanity would be far better served if this person was not promoting hate, not denying science and not debasing half the population.
All just to sell books. How pathetic. Ann, with respect, it is NOT about beliefs, it is about what separates us as being human, from NOT being Human. At times we, mostly males go back to violent states and murder, kill and become base animals, not killing for food, but for beliefs. When someone is trying to blurr the lines of compassion, empathy, kindness and replace it with their view its ok to come out and blurt what someone different to you is annoying you for their sexual preference, or color of their skin, or gender ... or what they wear, its time to go get ducked and do so with peaceful argument and if needed protest and vocal expressions of NO. Each to their own, except where it threatens the very fabric of your existence and thats not Peterson alone, he is just a small chink in the bigger picture of the world as we have it in 2019.
How utterly pathetic this man is. Sorry he does not qualify for being human due to missing parts, so this thing is.
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I realise that is the extent of your level of understanding Bruce, so will do my best for you.Stick to providing the Comedy Wayne
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Why not deal with the facts instead of inventing things?
What belief systems are you talking about?
Maybe if you and others here stopped using labels on everyone and dealt with the substance of their claims you might get somewhere.
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I realise that is the extent of your level of understanding Bruce, so will do my best for you.
Wayne, intelligent respectful debate isn't your forte, but comedy might be.
You don't change the performance Wayne, just the audience
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Interesting comment from one whose opening gambit is always an insult.Wayne, intelligent respectful debate isn't your forte, but comedy might be.
You don't change the performance Wayne, just the audience
If you want intelligent respectful debate, try... intelligent respectful debate ?
Just a thought bro.
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Interesting comment from one whose opening gambit is always an insult.
If you want intelligent respectful debate, try... intelligent respectful debate ?
Just a thought bro.
Bro. Got a mirror, need one!
Which videos?
Was it presented as opinion or fact?
What were the question posed to him?
Hostile environment?
How much detail can you go into topics at timed events or before you bore the sht out of people?
Realistically why do you think he gets asked these questions out of his field of experience?
It's like me going to a share market seminar and asking the guys opinion on climate change. And hey the guy might have some limited experience. But will no doubt skip around it to the levels of his knowledge.
The discussion with kahuna1 above we touched on JP questioning the climate change models. And he was taking offense to that.
Ok
Which climate models, from what time period, written by who?
There is this all encompassing group think, where if anyone questions anything publicly they then get howled down. In this case we picture he is calling into question abc model when he might be talking xyz. Its similar to his breakout video, when the reporter kept trying to load him up and put words in his mouth.
With JP, I have never seen someone so scrutinized in an effort to trip him up. And thats all it is. Its the latest take down.
Two videos of him talking climate change. And a couple of posts so far. And here we are. Dissecting his waffling at a mum and dads / students seminar, or fluff interview. I'm finding it hard to believe that he is anti climate change.
And are people saying "Jordan Peterson is a sham with no value" ?
Because clearly that isn't true. He has helped a huge number of people. Theres something a bit deeper going on.
I've been looking at a lot of posts with the JP rage, this is a fairly recent phenomenon. Interesting trend.
I find the reactions to Jordan Peterson more interesting than the man himself.
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This sounds more like a Troll comment than an intelligent point for further discussion Rob. Forgive me if I don't pursue this level of comment.
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Which videos? ONE that I watched.
Was it presented as opinion or fact? The video exists - that's a fact.
What were the question posed to him? He was asked about climate change.
Hostile environment? Irrelevant
How much detail can you go into topics at timed events or before you bore the sht out of people? ???
Realistically why do you think he gets asked these questions out of his field of experience? Probably because a lot of people regard climate change as a very important issue. Peterson's opinions affect some people.
It's like me going to a share market seminar and asking the guys opinion on climate change. And hey the guy might have some limited experience. But will no doubt skip around it to the levels of his knowledge. Well, the very issue of climate change is affecting how companies do business nowadays. For people in the industry to be unaware would be deficient.
The discussion with kahuna1 above we touched on JP questioning the climate change models. And he was taking offense to that. Ok Which climate models, from what time period, written by who? Models have advanced considerably and they nowadays use "ensembles" to determine future likelihoods. Ensembles give different results depending on the underlying scenarios.
There is this all encompassing group think, where if anyone questions anything publicly they then get howled down. I keep hearing that, but seldom see it. In this case we picture he is calling into question abc model when he might be talking xyz. Its similar to his breakout video, when the reporter kept trying to load him up and put words in his mouth. ???
With JP, I have never seen someone so scrutinized in an effort to trip him up. And thats all it is. Its the latest take down. Not from what I have seen, but then I have only watched a small portion of what's out there.
Two videos of him talking climate change. And a couple of posts so far. And here we are. Dissecting his waffling at a mum and dads / students seminar, or fluff interview. I'm finding it hard to believe that he is anti climate change. He might not be! I really have no care. But when he talks about it and gets it wrong, I might just comment to that effect.
And are people saying "Jordan Peterson is a sham with no value" ? Oh, really?
Because clearly that isn't true. He has helped a huge number of people. Theres something a bit deeper going on. What is that?
I've been looking at a lot of posts with the JP rage, this is a fairly recent phenomenon. Interesting trend.
I find the reactions to Jordan Peterson more interesting than the man himself. What is "JP rage"? In this accessible universe of other's ideas, Peterson gets to be placed ahead of many others. I like much of what he says and he is very interesting to listen to.
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Actually Ann you are doing exactly what I suggested should not be done. That is, you need to deal with the substance within comments which, in this specific case, related to claims you made.
For example, exactly what are the "belief systems" you mentioned?
Right off topic.
I'm actually really interested on the numbers on solar. As I want to install
2kw system
Lets say we average out every day is sunny and we get the average of 5 hours of effective usage. Thats about 76 full days of usage and 5ish full years over 25 years. Not taking into account clouds or worn panels. And its probably over shooting by a lot.
Here is where I need help with the figures:
5 years × 365 gives us 1825 days
Times those 1825 days by 2000 watts or just 2 for kilowatts
= 3650 kilowatts x that by .26 cents a kilowatt.
= $949 over effective life assume you use electricity during the day.
Am I really stuffing up somewhere here?
Someone better at numbers can chime in. Or that actually has solar?
Lets leave the rest of the post at that for the moment. Way too open ended.
In small amounts /or topics of interest I like to listen to him. I can find certain areas extremely dull. Probably lack of interest in the topic. I enjoy actually events he is in discussion with others that can legitimately hold there own.
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By way of comparison, we have 5.4KW on the roof and generate about 5Kw annually. Last week AGL put $394 into our bank account for the lat 3 month's feed in. Our $10K investment almost 9 years ago gives us an annual return of about 8% over and above the free electricity (which happened after a payback period of 4 years).
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There was no substance within your comment which could be expanded into a fruitful or interesting area for comment related to the thread. If you would be interested in discussing belief systems it should be done on another thread. I find it a real pity people try to derail valuable threads with off-topic discussions. It spoils a thread and a forum and Joe works too hard and his manner is so respectful I think we should try to emulate him, if in doubt think how Joe would behave.
No wait it should be hours not days