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After the 1929-1932 market collapse, Graham & Dodd detailed the arguments that had lulled investors to turn their attention away from valuations in favour of passive investing: "This gospel was based on a certain amount of research, showing that diversified lists of common stocks had regularly increased in value over stated intervals of time for many years past... It was only necessary to buy 'good' stocks, regardless of price, and then to let nature take her upward course. The results of such a doctrine could not fail to be tragic." Today, investors have again abandoned concern about valuations, embracing "passive" strategies in the belief that losses will always be recovered quickly.
i abandoned ' passive investing ' about 4 months into 2011 , i still think long term holds , but well there are always some attractive opportunities , i would call what i do as active ( or opportunistic ) investing , which is much easier now that i am retired ( not so easy if a working Joe )As someone who has recently switched from active trading to passive investing, the paragraph above resonates with me. The arguments presented by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd that @ducati916 referenced seem timeless and very relevant today.
The idea that investors should focus on buying high-quality companies at reasonable prices, rather than relying on market trends or speculative strategies, is a successful approach over the long term. The evidence suggests that investing over time can be more effective than active investing, especially when combined with a focus on valuations.
It's essential to consider valuations when making investment decisions as @UMike has pointed out and not rely solely on long-term investment. The key is to find a balance between passive investing and a focus on valuations.
Overall, this short paragraph provides valuable insights and supports my decision to adopt a passive investing strategy focusing on valuations. It's a reminder that investing is a long-term game, and patience and discipline are essential for success.
Skate.
Thanks duc. The case for the Fab 4 over the Magnificent if not compelling certainly deserves consideration.Let's start with predictions:
24 things we think will happen in 2024
From Trump to Tesla, how 2024 will shake out, according to the Future Perfect team.www.vox.com
How they did last year:
The 14 predictions that came true in 2023 — and the 7 that didn’t
The 21 forecasts we made in 2023, revisited.www.vox.com
Oil News:
The Chinese economy has been sending mixed signals to the oil markets as Caixin manufacturing PMI indicated a strong recovery in industrial sentiment with the index rising to 50.8 in December, the strongest since August.
- The problem with that is that Beijing’s official data paint the exact opposite, dropping to the weakest level since June at 49.0, suggesting SMEs are feeling better about the economy than state-surveyed industry majors.
- Following months of quota-capped trading, Chinese refiners are now allowed to go big with their crude purchases after the Chinese Ministry of Commerce allocated 1.34 billion barrels of 2024 import allowances.
- With Shandong utilization rates back above 70% and state-owned refiners Sinopec and PetroChina ramping up output before the lunar New Year holiday, Chinese crude imports are expected to increase to 12 million b/d, for the first time since August.
Market Movers
- The $8.3 billion takeover of US utility firm PNM Resources (NYSENM) by its Spanish peer Iberdrola (BME:IBE) fell through after the latter couldn’t get all necessary regulatory approvals before December 31.
- Chinese private refiner Rongsheng and Saudi Aramco (TADAWUL:2222) are in talks to buy 50% stakes in each other’s refining units, the Saudi-run SASREF and the Rongsheng-operated Ningbo Zhongjin Petrochemical company.
- US oil major ExxonMobil (NYSE:XOM) has formally exited the West Qurna-1 oil field in Iraq and transferred its 22.7% stake to BOC and Pertamina, as well as handing over operatorship to China’s state-owned oil firm PetroChina.
Tuesday, 2nd January 2024,
The first US-Yemen naval clash in the Red Sea, followed by the arrival of an Iranian warship into the Bab-el-Mandeb strait, has prompted an increase in geopolitical risks again, lifting Brent back to the $79 per barrel mark. China issuing its crude import quotas for 2024, coupled with product export allowances, will reinvigorate Chinese buying in the markets, so for the first time in several weeks, the immediate outlook seems more bullish than bearish.
US Oil Output Starts to Decline. According to EIA figures, US crude oil production fell to 13.248 million b/d in October, the first monthly decline since April even if the month-on-month change was a mere 4,000 b/d, with all tight oil plays posting increases expect North Dakota.
Maersk Halts Red Sea Transit, Again. The world’s second-largest container line Moller-Maersk (CPH:MAERSK) halted transit through the Red Sea less than a week after it had decided to resume navigation, with its Maersk Hangzhou tanker coming under attack by Houthi militias.
Nigeria Sets the Deal for Dangote Supply. Nigerian oil producers will be required to supply 483,000 b/d of crude to local refineries in the first six months of 2024, of which 325,000 b/d should be allocated to the largest refinery project currently built, the Dangote refinery.
ADNOC Eyes First LNG Supply Deal. ADNOC, the national oil firm of UAE, and China’s utility major ENN (SHA:600803) are close to signing a preliminary deal for the supply of 1 million tonnes LNG per year for 15 years, the first deal from ADNOC’s Ruwais LNG project, expected to be launched in 2028.
Record BYD Sales Create China’s EV Champion. Chinese EV carmaker BYD (HKG:1211) sold 526,109 fully electric vehicles in Q4 2023, aided by aggressive year-end discounting, suggesting Tesla would need record quarterly sales if it wants to remain the world’s largest electric automaker.
Indigenous Blockades Hamper Ecuador Production. Following several days of force majeure at Ecuador’s Ishpingo oil field, Ecuadorian authorities have reached an agreement with Indigenous communities that blocked the site since last week, restarting some 20,000 b/d of production.
Mexico Orders Pemex to Take Over Hydrogen Plant. Mexico’s government has mandated that the national oil company Pemex take temporary control over Air Liquide’s hydrogen plant located within the confines of the Tula refinery, calling stable hydrogen supply a “matter of public interest”.
Libya’s Growth Marred by Discord. Various Libyan top officials have called for the halt of negotiations over the transfer of the Ghadames NC-07 block from state-owned Agoco to an international consortium led by Italy’s ENI (BIT:ENI), saying the 40% share of production to be given to the consortium is too high.
China Coal Demand to Peak in 2025. China’s state-owned energy company Sinopec expects the country’s coal consumption to peak around 2025 at 4.37 billion metric tonnes, with oil hitting a plateau in 2026-2030 at 16 million b/d and natural gas reaching a climax only by 2040.
Nickel is the Worst-Performing Metal of 2023. Nickel became the worst-performing industrial metal of 2023, posting a 45% year-on-year decline, its largest since the financial collapse of 2008, as new supply from Indonesia and weaker Chinese demand growth halted the price growth of 2019-2022.
Norway Starts to Pull Investments Away from Middle East. In an unexpected move, Norway’s largest pension fund KLP, overseeing $70 billion in investment, blacklisted Saudi Aramco and other Middle Eastern companies, citing an “unacceptable” risk of contributing to human rights abuses.
Russian Pipeline Gas Exports to Europe Collapse. Exports of Russian pipeline gas to Europe plunged by a further 56% year-on-year in 2023, coming in at a mere 28.3 billion cubic metres as Gazprom’s options were narrowed down to TurkStream and one remaining pipeline via Ukraine.
Dry Well Saps Moroccan Hopes of Oil Bonanza. Morocco, a country that has no production of hydrocarbons at this point, has been pinning its hopes on ENI’s much-hyped Cinnamon prospect in the country’s territorial waters, however the release of the rig suggests the wildcat was dry.
Mr flippe-floppe-flye:
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Actually it is the USD that you need to watch:
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The banks are and remain insolvent.
jog on
duc
Obviously someone doing the same thing on the Japanese market and starting at its peak ,into blue ships there Nissan, Fujitsu, Sony, Sanyo etc all very reliable strong companies..much more than our so called blue chips, would have been in the red for what 3 decades?...As someone who has recently switched from active trading to passive investing, the paragraph above resonates with me. The arguments presented by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd that @ducati916 referenced seem timeless and very relevant today.
The idea that investors should focus on buying high-quality companies at reasonable prices, rather than relying on market trends or speculative strategies, is a successful approach over the long term. The evidence suggests that investing over time can be more effective than active investing, especially when combined with a focus on valuations.
It's essential to consider valuations when making investment decisions as @UMike has pointed out and not rely solely on long-term investment. The key is to find a balance between passive investing and a focus on valuations.
Overall, this short paragraph provides valuable insights and supports my decision to adopt a passive investing strategy focusing on valuations. It's a reminder that investing is a long-term game, and patience and discipline are essential for success.
Skate.
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Today is the last day of the Santa Claus rally. If stocks remain lower, it could net be a bust.
US debt and interest payments (not including Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid which take the debt over $200T) is simply out of control. Of course the Fed will not/cannot stand by and allow a debt death spiral to collapse the UST market. So they will inflate. We have the evidence already: (i) BTFP, (ii) Reverse Repo, (iii) suspend issuance at long end and (iv) artificially lowering of USD.
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There has been an epic front running of the Fed in Bonds.
The result has been to date, a loosening of financial conditions. This year is the start of massive Treasury and Corporate rollovers. Rates that had been falling, will again rise in the face of huge supply and (very) limited demand.
If POO rises, apart from driving inflation higher (minor risk at this point) it will drive increased demand for USD. If increased demand for USD overcomes the Treasuries ability to keep USD low(er), that will drive USD higher and that shortage of USD drives increased selling of UST from all holders of UST (Japan, China, etc) into an already stretched or illiquid UST market.
We move into the 5'th liquidity crisis, which will require a liquidity bail out from the Fed or the UST market blows up. Which of course will take the stock market with it.
The chart to watch is a combination of the USD and the MOVE index. Once the USD becomes too strong, the MOVE index will become agitated and signal instability within the UST market. Oil will hint at early moves in the USD.
jog on
duc
1. @ducati916's post raises intriguing points about the Fed's bond-buying activities and their potential impact on interest rates, the liquidity crisis in the UST market, and the stock market. However, some assumptions and opinions presented are speculative and not necessarily evidence-based.
2. It's important to note that the Fed's bond-buying activities have been a topic of interest, but whether it constitutes "front running" is a matter of debate.
3. The relationship between oil prices and inflation is complex, and other factors such as the economy's overall health and the value of the US dollar also play a significant role in determining inflation.
4. The suggestion that increased demand for USD could drive up the dollar's value, negatively impacting the UST market is also speculative.
While it's interesting to consider the opinions of others, it's crucial to evaluate multiple perspectives before forming an informed opinion.
Skate.
The question (obviously) is what drives the stockmarket and will those conditions pertain into 2024? Is this consistent through time or does it (has it) changed? Is 'it' one thing or multiple things? As a 'trader' does it matter? As an 'investor' does it matter?
As a system trader
I understand the importance of recognising market drivers to make informed trading decisions and manage risk. Timing the market is crucial, and being aware of short-term factors that can impact the market is essential. Traders often focus on short-term market movements and seek to capitalize on market trends, so they must be aware of the factors that can impact the market in the short term. In summary, as a system trader, I aim to enter and exit by timing the market.
As an investor
I believe that "time in the market" is more important than "timing the market." A stable investment strategy can be achieved by investing in companies with a strong long-term record of delivering dividends and franking credits while ignoring short-term price fluctuations. Time in the market is a basic tenet for me.
In conclusion
While it is challenging to predict what will drive the market in 2024, being aware of the historical factors that have impacted the market can provide valuable insights for navigating the "trading and investment" landscape.
Skate.
which method is/would be (probably) the easiest/safest to pursue?
1. Choosing the easiest and safest method depends on various factors, including your personal preferences, risk tolerance, and financial goals. That being said, investing and system trading both have their own advantages and considerations.
2. Investing can be relatively straightforward for beginners. It involves buying shares of well-established companies and holding them for the long term. While investing does require some research and monitoring, it generally offers a lower learning curve and can be a passive approach to wealth accumulation.
3. On the other hand, system trading can be more complex and requires a higher level of skill and experience. It often involves developing and testing trading strategies, as well as continuously monitoring and adjusting them. System trading can be potentially lucrative, but it also carries higher risks and requires ongoing dedication and discipline.
4. Ultimately, the key is to consider the amount of time you can dedicate to thoroughly researching and understanding the options available to make an informed decision that aligns with your immediate goals.
Skate.
Mr Skate,
1. Agree with all stated here. But add in level of intelligence possessed by our intrepid investor/trader.
2. LOL. You are surely jesting. Technicals is pretty easy theoretically. It is still (very) hard emotionally. Fundamentals has even greater emotional challenges, because of course you are going to sit through some pretty harrowing drawdowns. But add to that the sheer complexity of fundamental analysis, f**k me, you need some grey matter to even get a grasp, never mind succeed.
3. System trading is about 2 things: (a) coding/software and (b) testing a variety of strategies.
4. Well in time spent, you will spend more time in the fundamentals than you ever will in systems.
jog on
duc
1. - but in reality, every bit of known about a company has already been priced in the market and if you believe you have an edge using this methodology, it bordering on being delusional.
2. As I said above, nearly all of the known fundamentals have already been priced into the market, I believe that there are limited opportunities to uncover something unknown through careful analysis. For example, a company's financial statements may not always accurately reflect its true financial health and a "skilled analyst" rarely identifies what is "unknown to the markets".
3. In conclusion, I believe the market is not always efficient, and there are often instances where "system trading" can help identify opportunities that may not be immediately apparent through fundamental analysis. That's the very reason why "system trading" makes the big bucks.
Skate.
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