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Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

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dutchie said:
Ostriches don't get the point either.
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I think the government would be negligent if they did not find a quiet way to reduce Muslim immigration into this country, but going around with a loud hailer stirring up passions and enmity is not a great way of achieving any sort of result apart from more conflict, and it seems that a few self promoting media people are only interested in doing that sort of stuff to feed their own egos and their future careers as "outspoken and fearless representatives of the silent majority".
 
SirRumpole said:
it seems that a few self promoting media people are only interested in doing that sort of stuff to feed their own egos and their future careers as "outspoken and fearless representatives of the silent majority".
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As are some pretending to act as intelligence voice of reason/openness against rednecks/bogans (aka the Project and other left leaning media stars..)
neither hold the truth, neither will admit it;
But I agree on a slow proper filtering.Why on hell should we bring in not only welfare recipiens forever but future radical ghettos within our country?
Many persecuted christians , kurds, minoritires, chiites from Irak/Syria should be welcome before the salafists who can always go to their brothers' gulf states to find nirvana if they want to.
 
The program, The Big Question on the BBC, is a melting pot of thoughts from various religious affiliations. What interested me most was the great ideological differences between hard line and passive Muslims. The hard liners living in the extreme past context while the passives living in the present context of what it is to be a "Muslim". The hard liners hold onto the past as if they are the only true Muslims and to let it go it will be the end of Islam.
 

The Chilcot Iraq Enquiry concludes that Blair (and political leaders in the Coalition of the Willing) broke laws, exaggerate facts, lied and scared its people into an unprovoked war of aggression.

Being warned by their own intelligence agencies about the risks of terrorism on the homeland, they rushed into war - leading to the peace of is the ME today.

These are not negligence? By certain international conventions and laws, they're war crimes.

But let the present be bygone and stomp on those nasty refugees running for their lives.


And we wonder why it was that the German people never see how crazy and murderous their Nazi leadership were.

They believe the Jews were evil and should be exported or do whatever the Fuhrer thought is just? How could they praise the Nazi war machines and believe it's keeping the peace and liberating all the countries all over Europe.

Yah, only the Nazi and the Communists know and use propaganda.
 

I really can't see all that much difference in principle between the various factions in Islam vs the factions n the Liberal or Labor Party. The hardliners think they represent "true Liberalism" and therefore the moderates are traitors to the cause etc, and the moderates think they are the real deal and the hardliners are extremists.

Of course, when people start getting killed over these differences, the comparison ends but it's essentially the same argument.
 
luutzu said:
Yah, only the Nazi and the Communists know and use propaganda.
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No doubt certain people like Bush, Blair, Cheney and Howard stuffed things up, but to blame them totally for psychopathic murderers like ISIS is drawing a long bow.

Sure the West has to take criticism for creating ISIL, but should they (we ) be cleaning up the mess or should we be washing our hands and saying it's now someone else's problem ?
 

Yeah i agree, i totally blame the US for getting the allies into the war, but governments do what thier advisers suggest....If Cheney wanted war, he was going to get war.

Even as i much as i detest Bush, he's just too gullible to take all the blame...Howard and Blair would have been pressured into it, strong armed. We should be very actively involved in re-settling/aiding refugees.
 

Maybe those wartime leaders of ours weren't bright enough to see the extend of the blowback, but ignorance is no excuse.

I mean, what would any reasonable person expect to happen in war? That we could just go over there, flatten their cities.. and... and the enemy wouldn't find ways to fight back?

Again, I'm not excusing these murders. But if we want to stop these attacks on innocent people, we might want to look at what else could be motivating those farkers beside their religion.

Reading the papers and listening to what politicians are saying... terrorists kill us because they're too Islamic, because they don't like our way of life - drinking and wearing bikinis right?

Why else would terrorists kill? Too much Islam in them. That's it.

And to pour flame on the fire... our domestic security policies are driving further wedges between communities and further marginalise its (suspect) citizens.

So now, not only are organised terrorist groups like ISIS are trying to recruit and plan attacks on our soil, any Arab with psychopathic urges could go and murder a bunch of people instead of blowing their own brains out at home.

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It is worth thinking about why bin Laden ordered the attacks on 9/11.

He didn't do it so that he could run away and hide in caves instead of being pretty comfortable under the Taliban. He didn't order it just to murder a few thousand Americans.

Remember that he was trained by the CIA. He fought against the Soviets and saw first hand how to defeat a much more superior enemy: you bankrupt them, you drain their resources, then watch as another powerful enemy pull the rug from under them.

We in the West are delivering more than that crazy prick could ever imagine.
 
What the media do not us about the Islamic activity in France.

Is this what we can expect here if we allow more Muslims into Australia?


: PARIS AT WAR - MEDIA SILENCE - A MUST SEE !




Visit to Paris, anyone? It’ll be too late soon.

The people in France have had enough of these refugees, could you carry on your daily life with all this around you ?

Feel like visiting Paris anytime soon ???

France's tourism is going down the tube ! (probably the rest of Europe too!)

This was filmed by an independent dude and uploaded on YouTube

Make sure you watch clearly and see the dates ( all recent, in the past few months )

If you have the time and the nerve keep watching the following videos.

And you want to have the these trouble makers settle here in our country ?


Police in France seem helpless, should give these thugs a little of their own medicine

The Europeans are too soft, you can bet all our world leaders are watching this video as you are or have already done so and say itsPolitically incorrect to retaliate with violence !

That’s not what you would be saying if you lived around this mess and your property, your home, your family or your children weresubjected to this behaviour.

PASS THIS LINK ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW THAT IS CONCERNED THAT YOUR COUNTRY MAY BE EVENTUALLY SUBJECT TO THIS

https://www.youtube.com/embed/UD7UA1d-WnA
 
noco said:
Police in France seem helpless, should give these thugs a little of their own medicine
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That could have been an off shoot of the Labour Reform riots. From what I read, the labour reforms hand a lot of employer rights to layoff employees meaning an employee has lesser rights to employment and lesser rights as an employee. It's never the employers fault when business profits drop away. How many Australian company executives blew hundreds of millions dollars on the resource euphoria? A , nudge nudge there.

That was some reckless rioting connected to that Labour Reform. Matter of fact those youths are lucky they get away with bumps and bruises. In other countries they would be throwing their last stone before being shot dead. That is how wars start.
 


http://www.snopes.com/paris-muslim-siege-false/

Rubbish noco...
 
it is extreme may /may not have been triggered by the labour law demonstration indeed;
But if you watch the footage instead of just saying "rubbish"
the location is NOT the demonstrationarea: you can see the suspended metro-> toward Barbes area (north east of Paris where there are no march ever organised (streets too narrows);
to confirm: the corner shop being vandalised and center of these footages is "Soleil maghrebin" 1:52
38 Boulevard Barbes - 75018 PARIS
=> so these footages are taken Boulevard Barbes and can not be related to the labour law demonstrations;
the sorry point is that I have to do this to even put back truth in the debate.
Salafism is the new Nazi of this world, and people have been so brainwashed that they can not even admit facts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36837108
but it is just obviously a mad man, again and again and again..denial will not solve problem
 

ITs not 'nuff said'...i said its rubbish because you posted something that is not true...its scare mongering.
 
CanOz said:
ITs not 'nuff said'...i said its rubbish because you posted something that is not true...its scare mongering.
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So you did not like Snopes being caught out as unreliable.

They are a bit like that commo paper the Guardian who distort the truth.
 
noco said:
So you did not like Snopes being caught out as unreliable.

They are a bit like that commo paper the Guardian who distort the truth.
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Not really, they've been pretty handy in countering allot of 'rubbish' posted on social media....which by the way is far more of a scourge than traditional media...
 

"The Europeans are too soft..."

ahh man.

Sometime crimes happen because the criminals feel there are injustices in the world; there are no other choice; they'd be locked up either way... Sometime they're just not brought up right. That or it's all because of their barbaric religion.

Islam, a religion hell bend on taking over the world and need to be washed out and replaced it with a kinder, gentler Christian value too soft to colonise any part of the world, ever.
 
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