Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

luutzu · 18 July 2016

Tink said:
Our heritage is Christian, which I have said a few times, and still run through our parliament.
The foundations of Western Civilization.

To look at France and History --

One of the most important events in all of history occurred on October 10, 732 – in France.
This was a massively decisive event in Europe: it basically meant that Christianity and Western Civilisation would continue.
Had a different outcome occurred, many historians think that Islam would have taken over all of Europe.

Thus we must know a little bit about a key battle in history: the Battle of Tours, also known as the Battle of Poitiers.
It was one of those dividing lines in human history.

The Frankish military leader Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer), defeated the invading Muslim forces of the Umayyad Caliphate which were twice the number of his forces, and stopping Islamic expansion into the rest of Europe.

I thought Western Civilisation got its cool stuff from the Greeks and the Romans. The Greeks worshipped Zeus; the Romans all kind of weird stuff.

Long before Christ came around, the Greeks had long established their democracy thing; The Romans had gotten rid of their Kings and play with parliamentary houses at home and military outposts abroad - even putting up with funny religion like Judaism and laughing at news of some carpenter claiming to be the son of God.

So without Christianity, Western civilisation would still go on... it may even have gotten more liberal and more scientifically advanced much sooner if it weren't for Christianity. I mean, homosexual still have a hard time in our wonderful Christian civilisation.

SirRumpole · 18 July 2016

But if we define Terrorism as a violent act on civilians/soft target, designed to serve a political/military objective, then those carried out by Muslims against their enemy are simply murderous acts of war carried out by a weaker opponent against their enemy.

Don't be silly luu. The West has to kill, maim and destroy. We represent all that is wholesome and decent in the world.

So without Christianity, Western civilisation would still go on... it may even have gotten more liberal and more scientifically advanced much sooner if it weren't for Christianity. I mean, homosexual still have a hard time in our wonderful Christian civilisation.

You don't think that there is such a thing as a secular society ? It's not about Muslims v Christians, it's about Muslims v everyone else. They are the ones killing in the name of their religion, the West do it to create slave states.. oops sorry, freedom loving democracies.

luutzu · 18 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
Don't be silly luu. The West has to kill, maim and destroy. We represent all that is wholesome and decent in the world.

You don't think that there is such a thing as a secular society ? It's not about Muslims v Christians, it's about Muslims v everyone else. They are the ones killing in the name of their religion, the West do it to create slave states.. oops sorry, freedom loving democracies.

Yea, ahem.

But to be fair, all states also do bad things for good reasons. Just they're not as convincing to our media and politicians as they'd like to be.

bellenuit · 18 July 2016

Unusual to find something on Fox News that has merit....

qldfrog · 18 July 2016

quite interesting indeed

luutzu · 18 July 2016

bellenuit said:
Unusual to find something on Fox News that has merit....

Soo... Liberals are setting low standards for minority and harming Muslims if they don't believe Islam has anything to do with acts of terror?

Liberals should open their eyes to the nastiness of Islam - what with its anti-gay, anti women backwardness.

Let's unpack that...

I don't think any Liberal would deny the backwardness and, say, Koran bashing, of Islam. It's a religion, and any and all religion are backwards and screwy. Any Liberal will tell you that.

So to say that Liberals are closing their eyes to the regressive ideology in religious Islam is just false. Liberal and any honest person will call Islam for what it is... they will also call Christianity and Judaism and all other religion for what they are too.

But to link Islam to all acts of terror... that's just idiotic. It's ill-informed; has no basis in facts; and worst - it leads to direct or indirect consent to kill innocent people - well, they're not really "innocent" if they're Muslim because all Muslim are terrorists, I guess.

It's incredible how we, and our politicians, could get away with these kind of rubbish. I mean, when a Muslim person heroically save Jewish or victims of terror attacks... are those Muslims not really following Islam? When a terrorist who by all account is not religious, drinks and womanise... that terrorist got radicalised rapidly?

I guess if our leaders were to suggest that maybe they hate us because we invade their country - a lot more of us citizens of (technically) democratic countries might start demanding a stop to foreign adventures.

But if we're told that they hate us because of their Islam, maybe that'd make it easier to spend billions "keeping the peace", protecting us from nasty terrorists without an airforce or a Navy, or much of any serious armament.

qldfrog · 18 July 2016

luutzu said:
Soo... Liberals are setting low standards for minority and harming Muslims if they don't believe Islam has anything to do with acts of terror?

Liberals should open their eyes to the nastiness of Islam - what with its anti-gay, anti women backwardness.

Let's unpack that...

I don't think any Liberal would deny the backwardness and, say, Koran bashing, of Islam. It's a religion, and any and all religion are backwards and screwy. Any Liberal will tell you that.

So to say that Liberals are closing their eyes to the regressive ideology in religious Islam is just false. Liberal and any honest person will call Islam for what it is... they will also call Christianity and Judaism and all other religion for what they are too.

But to link Islam to all acts of terror... that's just idiotic. It's ill-informed; has no basis in facts; and worst - it leads to direct or indirect consent to kill innocent people - well, they're not really "innocent" if they're Muslim because all Muslim are terrorists, I guess.

It's incredible how we, and our politicians, could get away with these kind of rubbish. I mean, when a Muslim person heroically save Jewish or victims of terror attacks... are those Muslims not really following Islam? When a terrorist who by all account is not religious, drinks and womanise... that terrorist got radicalised rapidly?

I guess if our leaders were to suggest that maybe they hate us because we invade their country - a lot more of us citizens of (technically) democratic countries might start demanding a stop to foreign adventures.

But if we're told that they hate us because of their Islam, maybe that'd make it easier to spend billions "keeping the peace", protecting us from nasty terrorists without an airforce or a Navy, or much of any serious armament.

Same record, still in denial and still not not daring to actually read the Koran to have an informed opinion?
Is this right wing and racist to ask you to read the Koran : you are lucky enough not to live with/among hard core or even just non liberal muslims;
Islam is not only a religion, it is a way of life based on an expansionist arab sect which converts by the sword;
Has been very successfull following what are now its worst issuesto my opinion as hard core muslims would consider this purety):
absence of change, negation of women, atheists or others believers, or even individual rights should you be muslim or not, and we can add removal of free spirit and preventing people to think/get educated.
You will never face the truth as it could scare you.Must feel good to be in your shoes with rightful thinkings, very confortable ..if only the world was that simple.

luutzu · 18 July 2016

qldfrog said:
Same record, still in denial and still not not daring to actually read the Koran to have an informed opinion?
Is this right wing and racist to ask you to read the Koran : you are lucky enough not to live with/among hard core or even just non liberal muslims;
Islam is not only a religion, it is a way of life based on an expansionist arab sect which converts by the sword;
Has been very successfull following what are now its worst issuesto my opinion as hard core muslims would consider this purety):
absence of change, negation of women, atheists or others believers, or even individual rights should you be muslim or not, and we can add removal of free spirit and preventing people to think/get educated.
You will never face the truth as it could scare you.Must feel good to be in your shoes with rightful thinkings, very confortable ..if only the world was that simple.

Can't be just the Lefty hippies who find it easier to believe that people would go to war for profit than go to free people they're either indifference to or don't particularly like in the first place.

All these back and forth asides, terrorism and war are just too horrific to not take seriously. May surprise you that I put more thought into the subject than what most politicians appear to be - judging by their tough talks and fighting spirit.

Did you know that intelligence agencies in the US, Britain, and I think also Australia... all warn and advise against the Iraqi Invasion? They say that there is no evidence of Saddam being a threat to Western security interests; that an invasion will destablise the Middle East and most likely increase terrorism at home.

What did our great leaders who thought of nothing but our security do when given such advise?

Bring 'em on.

Tisme · 18 July 2016

bellenuit said:
Unusual to find something on Fox News that has merit....

Railing against the paternalistic attitude of the west that created empire ... he's right though the civilised white do look at the various coloured races as lesser gifted and therefore don't hold them to the same standard as expected for whitey.

I was watching the Drum today where a Muslim woman felt aggrieved at Sonya Kruger's anti migration announcement and used the old cliche of Sonya not knowing the facts ....muslim beneficial facts of course that don't necessarily mirror the truth imo.

dutchie · 19 July 2016

Prime Minister Manuel Valls, who said that France must “learn to live with terrorism”.

So does Australia have to "learn to live with terrorism"?

and decry anyone who thinks differently.

luutzu · 19 July 2016

dutchie said:
Prime Minister Manuel Valls, who said that France must “learn to live with terrorism”.

So does Australia have to "learn to live with terrorism"?

and decry anyone who thinks differently.

No, we shouldn't have to, don't have to, live with terrorism.

So either set up camps in the outback, deport all Muslims, or... I don't know, stop freaking invading Muslim countries.

wayneL · 19 July 2016

Sonia Kruger is my new hero.

...And its time for the left to get well and truly stuffed on this issue. She an opinion, a valid one under the current circumstances and she should never be ashamed to express it or, worse, that she can't express it.

The apology industry can go to Hell and stop trying to make our culture one.

SirRumpole · 19 July 2016

wayneL said:
Sonia Kruger is my new hero.

...And its time for the left to get well and truly stuffed on this issue. She an opinion, a valid one under the current circumstances and she should never be ashamed to express it or, worse, that she can't express it.

The apology industry can go to Hell and stop trying to make our culture one.

By all means, let's get into government by celebrity, I'm sure they know better than the rest of us what is good for the country.

dutchie · 19 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
By all means, let's get into government by celebrity, I'm sure they know better than the rest of us what is good for the country.

That is so obviously not the point.

wayneL · 19 July 2016

dutchie said:
That is so obviously not the point.

Gawd not even in the same galaxy mate

SirRumpole · 19 July 2016

dutchie said:
That is so obviously not the point.

Yes, the point is that any wacko can get a spot on tv if they happen to be a celebrity, the quality of their views doesn't really matter, they just get a bigger megaphone than the rest of us.

Eddie MacGuire, Andrew Bolt for example.

luutzu · 19 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
Yes, the point is that any wacko can get a spot on tv if they happen to be a celebrity, the quality of their views doesn't really matter, they just get a bigger megaphone than the rest of us.

Eddie MacGuire, Andrew Bolt for example.

That's a great point. Don't know what my Sifu and Dutchie was on about.

dutchie · 19 July 2016

luutzu said:
That's a great point. Don't know what my Sifu and Dutchie was on about.

Ostriches don't get the point either.

luutzu · 19 July 2016

dutchie said:
Ostriches don't get the point either.

That's a good one. Got at least two layers to it.

Ves · 19 July 2016

The gaping contradiction in the neo-liberal politics that has been thrust upon us in the modern age is starting to become more and more obvious to even casual observers: the rise of the corporatisation of everything and the globalisation of the economy do not fit in with the Conservative ideals of preservation of Tradition and religious morality.

You cannot close territorial borders and maintain neo-liberal economic approaches at the same time.

Something has to give and it eventually will. History shows us that society cannot live in fantasy land forever.

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