Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

So why is it that I never hear you condemn Muslims and Islam....You do appear to jump to thier aid every time some condemnation is shown against Muslims and Islam.

I have spoken out before about juvenile deaths from starvation and other causes...I even gave you some figures of how many children die every minute....

What is the UN Human Rights Commission doing about i?......Bugger all......The UNHRC would sooner get involved in a trivia event for example like the Darwin youth detention center.

Have you ever seen me defending ISIS?

Have I ever explain away all the nasty stuff Muslims around the world has done? The ones you posts up and linked to? I didn't even bother to go and check out whether there's any truth to it, so took them at face value that yea, people do do nasty thing.

Anyway, it's wrong to accuse people who defend the innocent to be somehow condoning the violence those innocents does not commit.

Let say some crazy Muslims blame you for burning down their house because you're White and they think that's what White people do. Then I step in and tell that Muslim to get stuffed because you and I were debating whether Muslims are evil or not when his house was burnt.

Does it mean I condone arson?

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Where in the world do you get the idea that the UN have any power?

The UN does not have an army, or a navy, or money. Organisations without any of that have no power as a matter of course.

All it does, could do with the limited fund, is to raise the issue. Ask powers to play nice. If the big powers says no, then that's that.

 

[luutzu]

Some videos worth watching our patriotic Australians.

https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/

How do you define a patriot?

Someone who drape a flag around themselves? Beat up on minorities?

A real patriot want their country to be better. Want their country to live up to that idealised version of itself. And a real patriot work towards that even if it mean criticising its own gov't and fellow citizens.

How would beating up Muslims, or anyone, going to make Australia great again?

People will learn what's good for them, turn White, speak trash about their own culture... that's the kind of citizens you want?

Will cutting welfare do it? Sacrifice a few handful of poor "White" aussies but at least you'd get the majority Muslims off. That's the way?

Anyone who beat innocent people, any leaders who spread hate so that they can give money to their friends and send young idealists to kill and die... that's not patriotism. That's just thuggery.

 

[noco]

How do you define a patriot?

Someone who drape a flag around themselves? Beat up on minorities?

A real patriot want their country to be better. Want their country to live up to that idealised version of itself. And a real patriot work towards that even if it mean criticising its own gov't and fellow citizens.

How would beating up Muslims, or anyone, going to make Australia great again?

People will learn what's good for them, turn White, speak trash about their own culture... that's the kind of citizens you want?

Will cutting welfare do it? Sacrifice a few handful of poor "White" aussies but at least you'd get the majority Muslims off. That's the way?

Anyone who beat innocent people, any leaders who spread hate so that they can give money to their friends and send young idealists to kill and die... that's not patriotism. That's just thuggery.

Luu, you certainly have a confused and mixed up mind.

A true Australian patriot does not burn the nations flag.

A true Australian patriot loves and will die for his country's freedom.

Could you call a Muslim a true Australian patriot when they want to bring in their own Sharia law, show disregard for our laws and kindle hatred of Christiana and infidels....Who preaches the word that they will take over Australia...who refuse to assimilate into our way of life....who mutilate the genitals of young girls...To refuse to sing our national anthem.......That is unpatriotic.......Muslims were taken into our care to get away from oppression in their own country.......If they want to continue on with their own religion, ideology or what ever you like to call it, then go back to the country you came from.......We do not require unpatriotic people in Australia...Just go.

 

[luutzu]

Luu, you certainly have a confused and mixed up mind.

A true Australian patriot does not burn the nations flag.

A true Australian patriot loves and will die for his country's freedom.

Could you call a Muslim a true Australian patriot when they want to bring in their own Sharia law, show disregard for our laws and kindle hatred of Christiana and infidels....Who preaches the word that they will take over Australia...who refuse to assimilate into our way of life....who mutilate the genitals of young girls...To refuse to sing our national anthem.......That is unpatriotic.......Muslims were taken into our care to get away from oppression in their own country.......If they want to continue on with their own religion, ideology or what ever you like to call it, then go back to the country you came from.......We do not require unpatriotic people in Australia...Just go.

Some years ago when I first went back to Vietnam, it really shocked me seeing how the common people live compare to the comrades and their Mercedes.

Poor kids were begging on the streets; the elderly have to walk miles and miles per day selling lottery to hopefully earn the equivalent of 50 cents AUD a day. Those lucky enough to have their health and can work, work long hours and earn just enough to feed themselves with a little savings left over.

Then there are the comrades and their family. Their houses have maids and driver; they eat so well that they have to go to the gym to lower their body fat and control cholesterol.

Why is that? How could the leadership let that happen?

The war was over a long time ago; all the millions of death to fight for independence and equality... it's all just bs. The people sacrifice in their millions, the new "comrade" of theirs came to power, and take it all for themselves.

What this teaches, noco, is that a country can still be poor, inequality still exists, and the ethnic majority - be they the Viets or the White Aussies - would still be screwed by their own ethnic brethren ruling over them.

So beat up on minority, on the weak and defenseless all you like. You might think that's patriotism; might think that if it weren't for the barbarians "our" White brothers ruling us will then take care of us real good.

Good luck with that.

 

[noco]

Some years ago when I first went back to Vietnam, it really shocked me seeing how the common people live compare to the comrades and their Mercedes.

Poor kids were begging on the streets; the elderly have to walk miles and miles per day selling lottery to hopefully earn the equivalent of 50 cents AUD a day. Those lucky enough to have their health and can work, work long hours and earn just enough to feed themselves with a little savings left over.

Then there are the comrades and their family. Their houses have maids and driver; they eat so well that they have to go to the gym to lower their body fat and control cholesterol.

Why is that? How could the leadership let that happen?

The war was over a long time ago; all the millions of death to fight for independence and equality... it's all just bs. The people sacrifice in their millions, the new "comrade" of theirs came to power, and take it all for themselves.

What this teaches, noco, is that a country can still be poor, inequality still exists, and the ethnic majority - be they the Viets or the White Aussies - would still be screwed by their own ethnic brethren ruling over them.

So beat up on minority, on the weak and defenseless all you like. You might think that's patriotism; might think that if it weren't for the barbarians "our" White brothers ruling us will then take care of us real good.

Good luck with that.

If my memory serves me right we were chatting about Australian patriots, right?

Just another diversion away from the discussion....Your usual trait....You are so confused Luu.

 

[SirRumpole]

What this teaches, noco, is that a country can still be poor, inequality still exists, and the ethnic majority - be they the Viets or the White Aussies - would still be screwed by their own ethnic brethren ruling over them.

Contrast that with South Korea , where the "West" won. It's now one of the most vibrant and diversified economies in the world. So their President may be corrupt, but that doesn't change the fact that things are pretty good for the average citizen.

The US took over Japan after WW2. General MacArthur was in charge as I recall, and look at Japan now.

The US took over West Germany after WW2 and where is it now ? A great economy with its own government and highly respected in the world as is Japan.

I can't really see many signs of US imperialism there. They fixed a mess that wasn't caused by them and gave the citizens of Japan and Germany another chance.

I'm not sure Trump would do the same. I hope we don't have to find out.

 

[noco]

Contrast that with South Korea , where the "West" won. It's now one of the most vibrant and diversified economies in the world. So their President may be corrupt, but that doesn't change the fact that things are pretty good for the average citizen.

The US took over Japan after WW2. General MacArthur was in charge as I recall, and look at Japan now.

The US took over West Germany after WW2 and where is it now ? A great economy with its own government and highly respected in the world as is Japan.

I can't really see many signs of US imperialism there. They fixed a mess that wasn't caused by them and gave the citizens of Japan and Germany another chance.

I'm not sure Trump would do the same. I hope we don't have to find out.

Rumpy, what has all that razzmatazz got to do with Australian patriotism.

At this stage you both seem to want have one leg each side of the fence.

You are as bad a Luu with your diversion away from the real issue.

Are you and Lu true blue Aussie patriots or not?

Do you say NO to Sharia law?
Do you believe in burning the national flag?
Do you believe Muslims should assimilate into our society.
Are you against female genital mutilation, wife beating, throwing gay men off buildings, chopping off kids hands for stealing, beheading someone who speaks out against the Koran, stoning women to death for adultery?

If we were forced into civil war in Australia with Muslims, which side would you take.....Fight like a true blue Aussie of succumb to Sharia law?

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy, what has all that razzmatazz got to do with Australian patriotism.

Don't think that you can run this thread fella or tell us what we can talk about. We don't have to play by your rules.

 

[noco]

Don't think that you can run this thread fella or tell us what we can talk about. We don't have to play by your rules.

That rhetoric just proves you don't know the answer or you are avoiding the question.....You are not a true blue Aussie if you cannot respond in a positive way...I am not asking you to play by my rules, I just asking for a truthful answer....If you don't want to give it, then say so.....I always thought the ASF was for open discussion.

It is not about me wanting to run this thread, it about you and Lu failing to make a commitment.

 

[luutzu]

If my memory serves me right we were chatting about Australian patriots, right?

Just another diversion away from the discussion....Your usual trait....You are so confused Luu.

Let me write real slow for you.

People often mistake patriotism for loving their country, right or wrong.

People mistake patriotism for the killing, or otherwise pummelling into submission, of minority groups. Forcing those to obey and follow the dominant ethnicity or else!

Implied in all these believes is that the gov't is always out there looking after the interest of the people, that those in gov't - the politicians, the king, the emperor - that those rulers are father of the nation, always loving and caring for them.

So why are there poor people in the richest countries in the world? Why can't the richest country in the world not able to afford anything? Where are the good jobs? Why aren't their kids being properly educated? Why does the cost of everything goes up but their wages remain stagnant or declining?

It cannot possibly be due to their leadership making policies that screw the poor masses over, taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich. No, that cannot be.

It must therefore be the faults of Muslims, or Latinos, or [name your minority and parasite].

Why would rich people need welfare? Right? Why would corporations want more corporate welfare?

It must be Muslims and their dozen wives and thousand kids leeching.

The example of VN is to show that if you step back, step out of your patriotism, you can clearly see that often, it's those with money and power that fark up the poor and the masses.

To blame the state of the economy; to blame the bad consequences of policies made by the rich and priviledged on the poor and powerless... you're having things backwards.

 

[noco]

Let me write real slow for you.

People often mistake patriotism for loving their country, right or wrong.

People mistake patriotism for the killing, or otherwise pummelling into submission, of minority groups. Forcing those to obey and follow the dominant ethnicity or else!

Implied in all these believes is that the gov't is always out there looking after the interest of the people, that those in gov't - the politicians, the king, the emperor - that those rulers are father of the nation, always loving and caring for them.

So why are there poor people in the richest countries in the world? Why can't the richest country in the world not able to afford anything? Where are the good jobs? Why aren't their kids being properly educated? Why does the cost of everything goes up but their wages remain stagnant or declining?

It cannot possibly be due to their leadership making policies that screw the poor masses over, taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich. No, that cannot be.

It must therefore be the faults of Muslims, or Latinos, or [name your minority and parasite].

Why would rich people need welfare? Right? Why would corporations want more corporate welfare?

It must be Muslims and their dozen wives and thousand kids leeching.

The example of VN is to show that if you step back, step out of your patriotism, you can clearly see that often, it's those with money and power that fark up the poor and the masses.

To blame the state of the economy; to blame the bad consequences of policies made by the rich and priviledged on the poor and powerless... you're having things backwards.

You sould write it in shorthand, it might make more sense.

For Christ sake Luu get back to the basics instead of all this hurdy gurdy rhetoric....You keep going around the mulberry bush...As I said before you want to have one foot on each side of the fence.

On this particular subject, I don't give a stuff what is going on in other countries, all I am looking for is the TRUE BLUE Aussies who can call themselves patriotic to Australia and you just cannot do that can you?

The Muslims certainly cannot that is for sure.

 

[luutzu]

Contrast that with South Korea , where the "West" won. It's now one of the most vibrant and diversified economies in the world. So their President may be corrupt, but that doesn't change the fact that things are pretty good for the average citizen.

The US took over Japan after WW2. General MacArthur was in charge as I recall, and look at Japan now.

The US took over West Germany after WW2 and where is it now ? A great economy with its own government and highly respected in the world as is Japan.

I can't really see many signs of US imperialism there. They fixed a mess that wasn't caused by them and gave the citizens of Japan and Germany another chance.

I'm not sure Trump would do the same. I hope we don't have to find out.

S.Korea, Japan, Germany are doing well because the US want those colonies of theirs to do well.

What's the common thing about those three countries? They're all loaded with US military bases.

No self-respecting independent country would allow another country to have bases on its soil. Except Australia of course. We prefer US military bases here so that if the US ever go to war with China, China can have a proper excuse to bomb Darwin - like the good old days of WW2.

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Something I learn from "Understanding Power"- A 27 hour audio book collecting the Q&A of Chomsky over the years. Highly recommended... Anyway...

After WW2, one of the main US post-war architect was George Kennan. He wrote that Germany must have a wall built to divide East from West Germany. That Germany cannot be permitted to unite and democratically vote in their leaders as the Germans are mostly Socialist-leaning, i.e. "Communist" sympathisers and we can't have those idiots contaminate a key industrial colony.

In other words, the US, like all imperial power, don't do anything for the benefit of others.

These kind of meddling don't happen in Germany, they do it to all other European countries they liberated too.

What did they do? They literally wage war on anti-Nazi/Axis rebels and put in place Nazi collaborators in those countries.

Why do they do that? The Nazi collaborators know the ways of the world, they will follow whoever rules the world. The rebellion who fought against Fascism care too much for the plebs, the working people. They're commies before commies are bad. You cannot have the country being ruled by self-righteous people loving idiots who love their country and won't bow to foreign power.

So there's Spain and the rise of its dictator; There's a war in Greece that kills some 100,000 and set up another dictator; there's Northern Italy where the rebellion against Hitler and Mussolini, with its own "commie" people's gov't giving workers rights, worker owning factories and all that hippy stuff. They were removed and the Nazi collaborators being installed.

That didn't go far enough so the Mafia was brought back in. Fascists don't share power, so they cleared out the mobs. The US actually brought the Mafia back to break unions and leaders they don't like.


Now to S.Korea... a war against those to fought Imperial Japan was waged long before the Korean War got started. Killing over 150,000 S.Koreans. Why? So that power can be place in the hands of a few understanding Koreans rather than in the hands of the population.

When you want world hegemony, you do not want stupid stuff like national independence. It give the wrong idea that countries can govern themselves, for their own people.

 

[luutzu]

You sould write it in shorthand, it might make more sense.

For Christ sake Luu get back to the basics instead of all this hurdy gurdy rhetoric....You keep going around the mulberry bush...As I said before you want to have one foot on each side of the fence.

On this particular subject, I don't give a stuff what is going on in other countries, all I am looking for is the TRUE BLUE Aussies who can call themselves patriotic to Australia and you just cannot do that can you?

The Muslims certainly cannot that is for sure.

Noco, if I don't defend this country, what other country do I have to defend?

 

[noco]

Noco, if I don't defend this country, what other country do I have to defend?

The Islamic invasion and that is what you are defending.......You are defending an Islamic country within a country.

 

[luutzu]

The Islamic invasion and that is what you are defending.......You are defending an Islamic country within a country.

I'm not a Muslim. Not religious. Enjoy a beer or two. So why in the world would I want to live under Muslim domination?

If I want that, might as well fly over to Saudi Arabia right now.

 

[SirRumpole]

all I am looking for is the TRUE BLUE Aussies who can call themselves patriotic to Australia and you just cannot do that can you?

"True Blue" Aussies don't have to wrap themselves around a flag every day just to please you.

They go to work, look after their kids and make a contribution in ways other than bashing everyone who doesn't think exactly like them.

For the record as I've said countless times I don't like Islam and I hope it doesn't spread here, but that doesn't mean that I have to pick a fight with every Muslim I encounter or expect them to sing God Save the Queen every morning. No one else does , apart from you perhaps.

 

[noco]

"True Blue" Aussies don't have to wrap themselves around a flag every day just to please you.

They go to work, look after their kids and make a contribution in ways other than bashing everyone who doesn't think exactly like them.

For the record as I've said countless times I don't like Islam and I hope it doesn't spread here, but that doesn't mean that I have to pick a fight with every Muslim I encounter or expect them to sing God Save the Queen every morning. No one else does , apart from you perhaps.

So why do you and Luu continually defend them every time someone speaks out about Muslims in Australia and the way in which they behave....Are Muslims true blue Aussies, if not why not?

Muslims who come to this country are expected to up hold our laws and way of life.....Anyone who comes here with out that respect do not have a place in our society and should go back to where they came.

 

[SirRumpole]

So why do you and Luu continually defend them every time someone speaks out about Muslims in Australia and the way in which they behave....Are Muslims true blue Aussies, if not why not?

Just go and read some of my posts in this thread and you will see what I have said about Islam.

I'm tired of repeating myself over and over when all you do is read your own stuff.

Goodnight.

 

[luutzu]

So why do you and Luu continually defend them every time someone speaks out about Muslims in Australia and the way in which they behave....Are Muslims true blue Aussies, if not why not?

Muslims who come to this country are expected to up hold our laws and way of life.....Anyone who comes here with out that respect do not have a place in our society and should go back to where they came.

When did I ever defend any criminal and thugs?

You can't say that all Muslims are this and that bad things and anyone who says otherwise are defending or condoning the bad stuff. Maybe they're defending the innocent.

Muslims do live under Australian laws. Those that break the law tend to get fined or imprisoned.

Just that Australian law permit freedom of religion and Halal food and prayers to their God however many times a day they want.

btw, I just remembered that if you're a religious Christian, you can go to Church pretty much 7 days a week. It opens 7 days a week with masses and preaching and amen and stuff.

 

[noco]

Just go and read some of my posts in this thread and you will see what I have said about Islam.

I'm tired of repeating myself over and over when all you do is read your own stuff.

Goodnight.

You are just romancing with yourself again......You haven't quoted anything lately that makes any sense......Perhaps you should mince them all up and see what comes out at the end....Mostly BS.