Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[Ann]

That's pretty cool and everything, but CO2 from volcanoes isn't really all that significant.

If you wanted to measure the amount of nicotine coming from second hand smoke, surely if you held the measuring device directly in front of a persons mouth as they were exhaling the reading would be higher than if you stood across the room from them?
This is the same scenario with measuring co2.

 

[rederob]

That's my point. There are much bigger pollution issues than CO2.

So why not name them and describe their consequences. You make claims without having a clue about whether or not they are valid.

The natural fluctuations are extreme, they are not well understood in terms of cause and mechanism, which makes it difficult to say what's really going on.

This is false. The natural fluctuations cannot be derived because the increased energy in the climate system has created a new normal.
Climate is in fact very well understood. This is not a concept you can work out, but that's a problem for you to resolve.

But totally, they focus on CO2 primarily because it is a powerful economic and political tool for everyone involved.

Science has no care for the politics or economics so yet another false claim.
Whatever science you claim to have done, I suspect it has not left a mark on you.

Even if you want to believe CO2 is the total cause of climate change (nonsense which literally no climate scientist would believe), the CO2 thing is obviously being done primarily for political and economic reasons.

Yet that is one of the scientific definitions of climate change, so again your claim is utterly false.

You are not very good at climate science. And you are barely proficient at science judging from the lack of quality of your posts.

 

[qldfrog]

and on this debate we forget that the vast majority of mankind does not give a dam
That every year China and India emissions/use of energy increase by more than 5%..EVERY YEAR, and they are 2/3 of human emissions or so, by far the majority, and wait till Africa wake up...maybe ..or places like Indonesia, Egypt, etc

 

[basilio]

Sir David Attenborough has weighed in with the current last word on the catastrophic consequences of CC. It was screened at the same time as Extinction Rebellion is closing down the streets of London in a series of peaceful protests demanding immediate government action on the climate emergency.

Climate change: Sir David Attenborough warns of 'catastrophe'
By Matt McGrath Environment correspondent

• 18 April 2019

Related Topics

• London climate change protests

Media captionViewers can watch Climate Change - The Facts on BBC One, Tonight at 9pm
Sir David Attenborough has issued his strongest statement yet on the threat posed to the world by climate change.

In the BBC programme Climate Change - The Facts, the veteran broadcaster outlined the scale of the crisis facing the planet.

Sir David said we face "irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies".

But there is still hope, he said, if dramatic action to limit the effects is taken over the next decade.

• What is climate change?
• Talk to our climate change bot
• Central banks warn of climate dangers
• Warning from 'Antarctica's last forests'

Sir David's new programme laid out the science behind climate change, the impact it is having right now and the steps that can be taken to fight it.

"In the 20 years since I first started talking about the impact of climate change on our world, conditions have changed far faster than I ever imagined," Sir David stated in the film.

"It may sound frightening, but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade, we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies."

Speaking to a range of scientists, the programme highlighted that temperatures are rising quickly, with the world now around 1C warmer than before the industrial revolution.

 

[rederob]

and on this debate we forget that the vast majority of mankind does not give a dam

It's a bit like saying most people do not care about cancer...until it happens!
Governments do care, and they are the agencies who consolidate issues of concern into actions to mitigate them.

That every year China and India emissions/use of energy increase by more than 5%.

And despite this, neither economy is yet on par with the USA's per capita emissions. So let's reverse the logic and push the USA's per capita output down to that of India's. Hell no, let's push every nation down to India's... and the problem of rising CO2 emissions is immediately solved.

and they are 2/3 of human emissions or so, by far the majority

Completely false - it's about one-third coming from about one-third of the global population. You keep making up what you want to believe, so try to get some facts into your case in future.

If we are going to call this a "debate" then please try to make statements which align with reality.
Your banging-on of China and India as problem nations ignores the fact that until 2004 the USA had for well over a century been emitting more CO2 into the atmosphere than China. Indeed, until the 1990s the USA was emitting twice as much as India and China combined.

 

[kahuna1]

Exhausted ?

WOW ... I have heard drivel and I am not sure if talking about 650 million years ago, before continental drift and tectonic plates colliding pushing UP land, forming mountains, and sea levels falling in relation to new mountains, would ever be stupid enough ever to be mentioned verses sea levels NOW .... I was wrong.

Talking about sea level rises, when land is either rising or falling, but going back 650 million years ago, prior to the plates colliding and moving, was for me a special on this thread of the wasted nature of even discussing anything on this topic with what is, interesting if not idiotic stupidity.

Second prize, burning wood, whilst not optimal and some expert trying to claim its CO2 bad, which it is, and it is NOT, as its CO2 neutral, because trees DIE and either rot, and let the CO2 captured back out, or BURN .... and either via bush-fire or whatever .... TREE's have a cycle and whilst it is stupid to think the world can be powered via wood, burning wood, that is Replaced and regrown or would either rot and emit back out as it rotted CO2. as being an issue, gets second prize.

Third was Morrison's plan to plant a billion tree's and it would capture less than 2% of the CO2 we emit for 40 years,,,,, till they die and the cycle begins again.

Fourth was another idiotic plan to plant globally 1 trillion tree's ... just out in the media. At around 5 million sq KM, it would, on future carbon emissions absorb 5% .... YEP 5% of the 2050 targets for around 40 years, then they die, regrow and so on.

Its not that I am against any positive move, trees are GOOD ... the sad fact is that Tree's verses the rate of emissions are NOT good enough absorbing CO2 at 4 tons per hectare. Other things can do it 25 times better at 100 tons and even 150 tons of CO2 per hectare, and ones with a bit of money and intensive ones at 1,000 tons of CO2 per hectare. This verses a tree is .... what it is ... 5% ... for 5 million sq km which is absurd that will occur EVER ... with Trump and other dingbats denying whilst the Great Barrier Reef will die .... and 75% of its gone ... it will die before any of them even blink on their views or idiotic greed based or stupidity based beliefs.

Carbon must be CAPTURED as was done via coal and OIL deposits, we now burn .... and emit CO2 and even this ... that CO2 heats the air is denied by some. Quite idiotic as its a scientific experiment that conducted 1 trillion times will always result in the same thing.

But nope .... its all ... a hoax. Hilarious thread. Great displays of both sides.

I found this U tube amusing ...

Conspiracy Theories That Are Utterly Ridiculous


enjoy !!

Earth is flat ? Hollow ... ? Or we are living inside the earth ? Some of the theories postulated here on this thread make these beliefs ... seem smart !!



"Climate Change" Myths"

These cover a total now of 21 of the myths, this is the last 5 .... this U tube ... that have been presented here on this thread as somehow scientific or factual.

Amazing, these whacky theories .... they make the hollow earth theory ... look more likely !!

 

[Sdajii]

If you wanted to measure the amount of nicotine coming from second hand smoke, surely if you held the measuring device directly in front of a persons mouth as they were exhaling the reading would be higher than if you stood across the room from them?
This is the same scenario with measuring co2.

I must admit, I am blindly trusting the official data regarding the CO2 output of volcanoes. I don't know how they measure it, your analogy makes sense and they aren't 'measuring the smoke as it leaves the smoker's mouth', but I did assume they had a reasonable way to estimate the CO2 output of volcanoes with respectable accuracy. Do you have reason to believe otherwise? Very interested if you do.

 

[Sdajii]

Sir David Attenborough has weighed in with the current last word on the catastrophic consequences of CC. It was screened at the same time as Extinction Rebellion is closing down the streets of London in a series of peaceful protests demanding immediate government action on the climate emergency.

Climate change: Sir David Attenborough warns of 'catastrophe'
By Matt McGrath Environment correspondent

• 18 April 2019

Related Topics

• London climate change protests

Media captionViewers can watch Climate Change - The Facts on BBC One, Tonight at 9pm
Sir David Attenborough has issued his strongest statement yet on the threat posed to the world by climate change.

In the BBC programme Climate Change - The Facts, the veteran broadcaster outlined the scale of the crisis facing the planet.

Sir David said we face "irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies".

But there is still hope, he said, if dramatic action to limit the effects is taken over the next decade.

• What is climate change?
• Talk to our climate change bot
• Central banks warn of climate dangers
• Warning from 'Antarctica's last forests'

Sir David's new programme laid out the science behind climate change, the impact it is having right now and the steps that can be taken to fight it.

"In the 20 years since I first started talking about the impact of climate change on our world, conditions have changed far faster than I ever imagined," Sir David stated in the film.

"It may sound frightening, but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade, we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies."

Speaking to a range of scientists, the programme highlighted that temperatures are rising quickly, with the world now around 1C warmer than before the industrial revolution.

Attenborough is not a climate scientist. He isn't even really a proper biologist. Long ago he was a wildlife poacher who got lucky when the narrator of a documentary got too sick to do the job, he was in the right place at the right time, and they gave him a go (he actually openly spoke about this about 5-10 years ago which was interesting, decades after no one cared about such things and he was open about it and then people gradually forgot during the same time attitudes were changing - look at the early documentaries he narrated and it was about poaching trips!). Turned out he was an extremely good narrator. As a biologist myself I've usually cringed at the nonsense he speaks in 'his' documentaries (as good a job as he does of speaking it). He doesn't know much about biology, he doesn't have a good understanding of it, he's just extremely good at reading a script and being charismatic. People loved him because of those talents and mistakenly thought he was the brains behind the narration, and credit where it's due, his talents have inspired a lot of love of nature in people, which is great, but there's no reason to take anything seriously because Attenborough says it. He just parrots what someone else told him to say (nicely worded and spoken) and people irrationally take it as more authoritative.

 

[Sdajii]

Exhausted ?

WOW ... I have heard drivel and I am not sure if talking about 650 million years ago, before continental drift and tectonic plates colliding pushing UP land, forming mountains, and sea levels falling in relation to new mountains, would ever be stupid enough ever to be mentioned verses sea levels NOW .... I was wrong.

Talking about sea level rises, when land is either rising or falling, but going back 650 million years ago, prior to the plates colliding and moving, was for me a special on this thread of the wasted nature of even discussing anything on this topic with what is, interesting if not idiotic stupidity.

Second prize, burning wood, whilst not optimal and some expert trying to claim its CO2 bad, which it is, and it is NOT, as its CO2 neutral, because trees DIE and either rot, and let the CO2 captured back out, or BURN .... and either via bush-fire or whatever .... TREE's have a cycle and whilst it is stupid to think the world can be powered via wood, burning wood, that is Replaced and regrown or would either rot and emit back out as it rotted CO2. as being an issue, gets second prize.

Third was Morrison's plan to plant a billion tree's and it would capture less than 2% of the CO2 we emit for 40 years,,,,, till they die and the cycle begins again.

Fourth was another idiotic plan to plant globally 1 trillion tree's ... just out in the media. At around 5 million sq KM, it would, on future carbon emissions absorb 5% .... YEP 5% of the 2050 targets for around 40 years, then they die, regrow and so on.

Its not that I am against any positive move, trees are GOOD ... the sad fact is that Tree's verses the rate of emissions are NOT good enough absorbing CO2 at 4 tons per hectare. Other things can do it 25 times better at 100 tons and even 150 tons of CO2 per hectare, and ones with a bit of money and intensive ones at 1,000 tons of CO2 per hectare. This verses a tree is .... what it is ... 5% ... for 5 million sq km which is absurd that will occur EVER ... with Trump and other dingbats denying whilst the Great Barrier Reef will die .... and 75% of its gone ... it will die before any of them even blink on their views or idiotic greed based or stupidity based beliefs.

Carbon must be CAPTURED as was done via coal and OIL deposits, we now burn .... and emit CO2 and even this ... that CO2 heats the air is denied by some. Quite idiotic as its a scientific experiment that conducted 1 trillion times will always result in the same thing.

But nope .... its all ... a hoax. Hilarious thread. Great displays of both sides.

I found this U tube amusing ...

Conspiracy Theories That Are Utterly Ridiculous


enjoy !!

Earth is flat ? Hollow ... ? Or we are living inside the earth ? Some of the theories postulated here on this thread make these beliefs ... seem smart !!



"Climate Change" Myths"

These cover a total now of 21 of the myths, this is the last 5 .... this U tube ... that have been presented here on this thread as somehow scientific or factual.

Amazing, these whacky theories .... they make the hollow earth theory ... look more likely !!

You were wrong, but not about assuming no one was going to talk about sea level fluctuations in a 650 million year context. You would have been correct about that because no one did it. You were wrong in imagining that people did it. The sea level fluctuations being discussed were in much more recent history and unrelated to tectonics. Obviously sea level changes over hundreds of millions of years are related to tectonics. Massive *cycles* over the last few *tens of thousands* of years which go *back and forth* are not related to tectonics.

But by all means, you murder your own strawman as savagely as you please.

 

[kahuna1]

Yep.

I mentioned the earths wobble as it goes in orbit around the sun, known since 1690 ... and the sun and its irradiance of the earth is 4-6% less ... hence an ice age ... and yep ... you decided the earth was hollow. It suited your theory. Sadly science did not.

Sorry, but well covered in the three decent Utube posts on your ... theories.

Must run. Found a hole and it may lead to the hollow earth ... Never heard of that one, nor some of the things raised here, as being correct.

Tomorrow ... I am off to see if the earth is flat ... and Monday, that Mount Everest was at sea level, when the seas were 120 meters higher, and fossils are found on Mountain tops, thanks, but I will stick to science.

Happy Easter.

 

[Ann]

I must admit, I am blindly trusting the official data regarding the CO2 output of volcanoes. I don't know how they measure it, your analogy makes sense and they aren't 'measuring the smoke as it leaves the smoker's mouth', but I did assume they had a reasonable way to estimate the CO2 output of volcanoes with respectable accuracy. Do you have reason to believe otherwise? Very interested if you do.

They are standing at the 'smoker's mouth' to measure co2 at Mauna Loa, they actually go down to the lava and measure what is coming off the volcano.There would be no problems with the measurements coming from the volcano, their instruments would be quite accurate, one would think . The problem comes when they say the levels at Mauna Loa are rising, so therefore the entire atmosphere is rising to these levels. These are micro measurements of an exuding volcano being imposed on a macro view of earth's atmosphere.

The added kick to this whole thing is Kilauea area started to erupt continuously from 1983 to 2018, that is a volcano directly beside Mauna Loa. Mauna Loa's recent eruptions started from March 1984. It is being closely monitored at this time......

April 15, 2019 at 5:06 AM HST
The Hawaii Tribune-Herald reported Sunday that The Hawaii Volcano Observatory is closely monitoring Mauna Loa as conditions have risen to levels comparable to a more active period between 2014 and 2017.

Officials say it is too early to predict possible outcomes.

Officials say there have been increased earthquakes and ground deformation around Mauna Loa's summit.


Officials say earthquakes on Mauna Loa dropped to less than five per week in early 2018, but there have been up to 90 earthquakes weekly since August, with most considered mild at 2.0 or less on the Richter scale.

An eruption last year by Hawaii's Kilauea volcano destroyed more than 700 homes from May through August. Ref.


As I showed you in the photo Sdajii, they take their gas monitoring systems down inside the actual exuding volcano and stick the instruments by the active co2 smoking volcano and take the measurements, straight out of the smoking mouth of the volcano. So we shouldn't be surprised when co2 levels rise at the same time as volcanic activity.

Then they record and report the levels...

March 22, 2019
Global carbon dioxide growth in 2018 reached 4th highest on record
By the end of 2018, NOAA’s atmospheric observatory at Mauna Loa recorded the fourth-highest annual growth in the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) in 60 years of record-keeping.

June 7, 2018
Another climate milestone on Mauna Loa
Carbon dioxide levels measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Atmospheric Baseline Observatory averaged more than 410 parts per million in April and May, the highest monthly averages ever recorded, scientists from NOAA and Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California San Diego announced today.

March 13, 2017
Carbon dioxide levels rose at record pace for 2nd straight year
Carbon dioxide levels measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Baseline Atmospheric Observatory rose by 3 parts per million to 405.1 parts per million (ppm) in 2016, an increase that matched the record jump observed in 2015.

August 2, 2016
2015 State of the Climate: Carbon Dioxide
Using measurements taken worldwide, scientists estimated that 2015’s global average carbon dioxide concentration was 399.4 parts per million (ppm), a new record high. At Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawai’i, where atmospheric carbon dioxide has been recorded longer than anywhere else in the world, the annual average carbon dioxide concentration was 400.8—also a new record, and a new milestone.

June 21, 2016
MLO Science Fair Awards
Every year MLO contributes to the local Science Fair event. This year Samantha Yamamoto & Maile Birlhante won the junior research award with their project 'Light Dispersing'. Kendra Puleo won the second award with 'Ocean acidification effect on the food chain.' Kylan K. Sakata won the senior division award with 'Verifying special relativity over time dilation through moon decay at variable altitudes' and Moana Lily Pinner won the second award with 'Investigating the SPF, anti-oxidant and anti cancer potential of turmeric and ginger.'

March 10, 2016
Record annual increase of carbon dioxide observed at Mauna Loa for 2015
The annual growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii jumped by 3.05 parts per million during 2015, the largest year-to-year increase in 56 years of research.

April 23, 2015
American Chemical Society honors measurement set at NOAA observatory
The American Chemical Society designated the Keeling Curve – a long-term record of rising carbon dioxide in the planet’s atmosphere -- as a National Historic Chemical Landmark in a ceremony April 30 at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii.

February 24, 2015
MLO Science Fair Awards
Every year the Mauna Loa Obervatory contributes to the local Science Fair event. This year, Halia Buchal won the junior research award with the project titled: Purple or Green? Does Leaf Color Affect How Plants Respond to Different Colors of Light? The Senior research recipent Keanu D. Pinner won the senior division award with the project titled: Activation of the Hepatocyte Antioxidant Response by Kava Secondary Metabolites.

July 13, 2014
2013 State of the Climate: Carbon dioxide tops 400 ppm
On May 9, 2013, the daily average concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere surpassed 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, where the modern record of observations began back in 1958. Other Northern Hemisphere sites also reported CO2 concentrations exceeding 400 ppm in 2013. By summer, the high concentrations at these sites had dropped as vegetation began taking up carbon dioxide for photosynthesis.

July 8, 2014
Greenhouse gases top 400 ppm for three months in a row at Mauna Loa
For the first time since carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been measured, the levels of this greenhouse gas at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, have been above 400 parts per million every single day for three straight months.

March 21, 2014
Heat-trapping gas concentrations top 400 ppm, two months earlier than last year
Over the last five days beginning on March 16, 2014, carbon dioxide levels have surpassed 400 parts per million at NOAA's Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. This is nearly two months earlier than last year when the concentration of this greenhouse gas was first recorded above 400 parts per million on May 9, at the historic NOAA observatory.

May 10, 2013
Carbon Dioxide at NOAA's Mauna Loa Observatory reaches new milestone: Tops 400 ppm
On May 9, the daily mean concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of Mauna Loa, Hawaii, surpassed 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time since measurements began in 1958.

Ref.

 

[kahuna1]

Sadly the hole ...

did not lead to the middle of the earth. Since they measure CO2 in 20 different places .... around the globe

I found this more instructive than the dribble above ..




Here is the CSRIO ... just one of 20 different ones ... where they measure CO2

Cape GRIM ... on the way to the hollow earth ... or flat earth ... turn left and your there !!

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/Areas/Assessing-our-climate/Latest-greenhouse-gas-data

Nearest active volcano ... for NON flat earthers is 3,000 or more km away if not 4,000 km away.

Nothing like displaying in vivid color how ... idiotic the theory you have is.

 

[MARKETWINNER]

 

[Ann]

Since they measure CO2 in 20 different places .... around the globe

Please list the locations of the 20 monitoring stations of CO2 measurements you mention.

 

[kahuna1]

OOOH .... as if ... it would make a difference ...

The earth is flat ... the earth is hollow ... they are measuring inside a volcano ? I shared ONE .... ESA satellite measures CO2 ... the new one ... that's three ... as for sharing with you ? You dispute even sattlelite data of NASA on ice ... let alone me sharing with you 20 sites ....



I suggest you put the Annoying apple on feedback and keep watching.

Below is Cape Grim ... 4,000 KM away from any volcano ... yep ... next !!

Nothing like displaying in vivid color how ... idiotic the theory you have is.

but this is a good site ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19162051

satellite ones
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/99/graphic-measuring-carbon-dioxide-from-space/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/satellite-to-measure-co2-in-space

https://www.gislounge.com/measuring-carbon-dioxide-nitrogen-dioxide-trends-remote-sensing/

One could go on ... and on ... but I suggest the Apple is better ... or hollow earth theory !!

 

[Ann]

Below is Cape Grim ... 4,000 KM away from any volcano ... yep ... next !!

That is one station measuring ice cores which are carbon sinks not atmospheric conditions.

Since they measure CO2 in 20 different places .... around the globe

I am still waiting for 19 more.

 

[kahuna1]

Cape GRIM ... is located on the Western tip of Tasmania !!

I have provided 5, which you did not look at ...

then talking about Cap Grim ... ice cores ? REALLY ....seriously .... Top of Mt Fuji .... thats 6 ... Samoa ... 7 ... Hatemura Island 8 ... I can go on .. but its pointless.

Seriously

That is one station measuring ice cores which are carbon sinks not atmospheric conditions.

I provided the CSRIO website Ann and your ... still not able to comprehend !!


... are you that silly ... and this is being polite ... to suggest satellites of which there are 3 measuring impartially CO2 ... are wrong ?

You seem to think their is some ice cap in TASMANIA ....

Cape Grim lies in the far north-western tip of Tasmania.

The winds that roar through Cape Grim have traveled more than 16,000 kilometers across glacial southern oceans, passing no land, no city or factory, uncontaminated.

I think of any land based monitoring stations, this one AUSTRALIAN ... its saying the same as others, its pretty obvious the APPLE is speaking to the orange here !!

Ice cores in Tasmania .... thats a new one with the hollow earth ... I love it.

Air samples collected at Cape Grim, Tasmania under clean air (baseline) conditions

CSRIO ...


https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/Areas/Assessing-our-climate/Latest-greenhouse-gas-data

Cape Grim program originated from a commitment by the Australian Government to the United Nations Environment Program in the early 1970s to monitor and study global atmospheric composition for climate change purposes. As a result, the Cape Grim Baseline Air Pollution Station first began measuring the composition of the atmosphere in April 1976 and has been in continuous operation since that date.

What is measured?
Air samples are analysed at the station to determine concentrations of greenhouse and ozone-depleting gases, other air pollutants, including aerosols and reactive gases, and radon.

Also measured are weather and climate indicators like wind speed and direction, rainfall, temperature, humidity and solar radiation.

Since sampling began at Cape Grim, more that 3 billion measurements have been taken. Among these are measurements of greenhouse gases (GHGs), including carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O) and synthetic GHGs such as hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs) and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6).

You really really are an ORANGE ?

Ice cores ? And them being carbon sinks ? Gee ... must go explore that hole again as it surely leads to the hollow earth. !!

 

[ghotib]

I must admit, I am blindly trusting the official data regarding the CO2 output of volcanoes. I don't know how they measure it, your analogy makes sense and they aren't 'measuring the smoke as it leaves the smoker's mouth', but I did assume they had a reasonable way to estimate the CO2 output of volcanoes with respectable accuracy. Do you have reason to believe otherwise? Very interested if you do.

"They" explain exactly how "they" measure background atmospheric CO2 at Mauna Loa, including how "they" account for nearby emission or absorption, here.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/about/co2_measurements.html

Measurements of CO2 emissions from the volcano are interesting for other reasons
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/mauna-loa-co2-record/

Ann,
Cape Grim is in Tasmania; I'm sure the Tassia govt would be delighted to receive your proposal for tourist travel to the Tasmanian ice core drilling station. But before you submit it, you might like to check your understanding of carbon sinks and ice core data.

Sdajii,
I'm quite sure you know that an analogy making sense is no guarantee that it has any relationship to reality. You would be doing a kindness if you avoid encouraging anyone to believe that finding an analogy is the same thing as finding an explanation.

 

[rederob]

Massive *cycles* over the last few *tens of thousands* of years which go *back and forth* are not related to tectonics.

Another gross failure from you:

There was in fact not even one cycle in over 20,000 years from the present period.

From the below time separated logarithmic chart of temperature we can clearly see that ONE deglaciation in the past 20,000+ years (encompassing the entire Holocene) aligns with the above chart.

 

[explod]

Good clear chart rederob which removes all argument.

But I'm sure the fairy tailors will still try.