Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[basilio]

It temperatures keep rising at the current rate by 2050 there will have been serious consequences many areas unliveable, political instability, major wars etc.

Increasing temperatures in our oceans are the end game given the lag effect as the oceans soak up heat compounded by following exponential surface temperatures rising.

We actually need to get down to net negative... won't happen.

Getting to net zero will become much harder outside of the "Great Peace" period we are living through now.

The major changes coming (energy will be the least of our problems) will force populations to do the unthinkable to survive.

That is a summation of reality that is just fearsome to acknowledge. Looking at what is happening now in 2024 believing we have until 2050 to "do something" is a heroic assumption. I don't believe you were making that assumption necessarily.

Can't really see where we go from here.

 

[IFocus]

That is a summation of reality that is just fearsome to acknowledge. Looking at what is happening now in 2024 believing we have until 2050 to "do something" is a heroic assumption. I don't believe you were making that assumption necessarily.

Can't really see where we go from here.

The ASF microcosm may or may not represent the general population but lets say it does.

Clearly many here do not accept change in any way much rooted in conservative views that the past was always better or there is no need for change least it leads to ruin.

The old saying is that the only certainty in life is taxes and death, you can add change nothing stays the same aging alone confirms the obvious.

Presently the climate is changing at a pace unrecognizable in recorded history exactly as science has predicted, the 52 degrees recorded in Delhi is a terrible event yet not a mutter from many and still we are a long way from 2050 what then?

 

[investor13]

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[basilio]

The ASF microcosm may or may not represent the general population but lets say it does.

Clearly many here do not accept change in any way much rooted in conservative views that the past was always better or there is no need for change least it leads to ruin.

The old saying is that the only certainty in life is taxes and death, you can add change nothing stays the same aging alone confirms the obvious.

Presently the climate is changing at a pace unrecognizable in recorded history exactly as science has predicted, the 52 degrees recorded in Delhi is a terrible event yet not a mutter from many and still we are a long way from 2050 what then?

There are responses. But they aren't recognising there is a serious problem that needs to acknowledged and somehow dealt with.

 

[sptrawler]

The ASF microcosm may or may not represent the general population but lets say it does.

Clearly many here do not accept change in any way much rooted in conservative views that the past was always better or there is no need for change least it leads to ruin.

The old saying is that the only certainty in life is taxes and death, you can add change nothing stays the same aging alone confirms the obvious.

Presently the climate is changing at a pace unrecognizable in recorded history exactly as science has predicted, the 52 degrees recorded in Delhi is a terrible event yet not a mutter from many and still we are a long way from 2050 what then?

There are responses. But they aren't recognising there is a serious problem that needs to acknowledged and somehow dealt with.

Just wondering if you two could put forward some ideas, as to what we as individuals could be doing, that we currently aren't.

Maybe you could post up some things that you two have personally done to mitigate the global warming problem, rather than just making inflamatory comments about others? just a thought.

Or are you using the left wing goto ideology, of constantly deflecting issues by placing the blame and responsiblity on others?

 

[IFocus]

Just wondering if you two could put forward some ideas, as to what we as individuals could be doing, that we currently aren't.

Maybe you could post up some things that you two have personally done to mitigate the global warming problem, rather than just making inflamatory comments about others? just a thought.

Or are you using the left wing goto ideology, of constantly deflecting issues by placing the blame and responsiblity on others?

Nothing to do with blame or ideology from me, I read the data and see the trends, I spent a lifetime measuring stuff, I read leading scientists not media tarts, pseudoscience or political opinion.

Its not hard.

The crap and I mean crap posted is extortionary poor based on RW ideology.

What can I do?

Answer, SFA however I won't be silent.

 

[sptrawler]

Nothing to do with blame or ideology from me, I read the data and see the trends, I spent a lifetime measuring stuff, I read leading scientists not media tarts, pseudoscience or political opinion.

Its not hard.

The crap and I mean crap posted is extortionary poor based on RW ideology.

What can I do?

Answer, SFA however I won't be silent.

There's plenty everyone can do, down size the house when practicle, change all the garden implements to electric, change the household gas appliances to electric, install rooftop solar, use bicycles, scooters and public transport where feasible.
Obviously every persons situation is different, but to be critical and preach to others, while indulging oneself isn't very moral IMO.
Just my take and everyone's is different, also if you are going to do SFA, should you be lecturing others?

 

[investor13]

Just wondering if you two could put forward some ideas, as to what we as individuals could be doing, that we currently aren't.

Maybe you could post up some things that you two have personally done to mitigate the global warming problem, rather than just making inflamatory comments about others? just a thought.

Or are you using the left wing goto ideology, of constantly deflecting issues by placing the blame and responsiblity on others?

Climate change is nothing more than a bankers swindle to shift one business from an advanced economy to an emerging countries.

The scam of climate change originated thomas malthusian an English economist , he has written books about, population growth, control of resources and econonomies. One of his main books was titles “limits to growth” that mentions the previous mentioned released late1700s early 1800s

It popped up again again on the formation of the creation of the failed “league of nations” buy the cashed up Rothschilds post ww2 and peddled again with the re named “ United Nations and world economic forums with an updated version of limites to growth by Henry Kissinger released by the Rockefeller foundation/institute

the hoax of climate change the name has been changed many times, green house effects, ozone layer burning, global cooling, global heating climate change, with endless scare mongering campaigns and predictions than never happen

The Al gores, bill gates and many others profit greatly from this

If there was any truth behind the scam, emerging countries would have to abide by similar policies the advanced economies do and technologies like nuclear would be used or CCT coal power or things like nikola teslas theory of kinetic energy (magnets) could be explored

But they are not emerging countries just use old school dated dirty coal power including china who average opening 2 new ones a week or burn BIO Mass (pine trees) for energy

 

[IFocus]

There's plenty everyone can do, down size the house when practicle, change all the garden implements to electric, change the household gas appliances to electric, install rooftop solar, use bicycles, scooters and public transport where feasible.
Obviously every persons situation is different, but to be critical and preach to others, while indulging oneself isn't very moral IMO.
Just my take and everyone's is different, also if you are going to do SFA, should you be lecturing others?

Since when is pointing out the bleeding obvious lecturing, if you have alternative view put it up.

Fact is the conservative US Republican party departed from the science in the late 80's for pure politics no doubt funded by vested interests.

UK conservatives continued to follow the science no doubt harder to buy off.

Here in Australia we get bombarded by conservative US style rubbish pushed by the foreign own News Corp and for some reason people buy it.

I see lots of finger pointing by many demanding certain standards that they in turn fail to meet themselves.

As for individual action look at past environmental groups failure trying the same as you well know.

 

[basilio]

There's plenty everyone can do, down size the house when practicle, change all the garden implements to electric, change the household gas appliances to electric, install rooftop solar, use bicycles, scooters and public transport where feasible.
Obviously every persons situation is different, but to be critical and preach to others, while indulging oneself isn't very moral IMO.
Just my take and everyone's is different, also if you are going to do SFA, should you be lecturing others?

There is certainly much that individuals can do. But having said that combating global warming requires large scale policy decisions by an elected government. To do that requires a community that understands we have a problem and accepts that changes need to be made across many areas on our our society.

The core of problem with global warming has been CO2 emissions from almost every aspect of our current economic system. The solution requires massive decarbonisation as a starting point. This could have been done in a steady and relatively orderly way if we started 35-40 years when the issue was first understood. But as IFocus pointed out the fossil fuel industry has been the mainstay behind undermining all efforts to decarbonise. It was impossible for this to happen without community understanding and support .

In 2024 we face a very difficult situation. 30 years ago could have conceivably had a 30 year transition to a low carbon society and relatively little effects on our environment which underpins our civilisation.

That opportunity has past. Global warming is now very real and having serious effects. We still have to transition or we simply will cook. But we now have to both transition at breakneck speed AND deal with the many, many problems caused by the far hotter climate.

These are just the facts.

 

[sptrawler]

There's plenty everyone can do, down size the house when practicle, change all the garden implements to electric, change the household gas appliances to electric, install rooftop solar, use bicycles, scooters and public transport where feasible.
Obviously every persons situation is different, but to be critical and preach to others, while indulging oneself isn't very moral IMO.
Just my take and everyone's is different, also if you are going to do SFA, should you be lecturing others?

As I said, there is plenty the individual can do, rather than berate and finger point at everyone else.

The Left certainly has a propensity to do a lot of naming and shaming, while leaving a mess in their own backyard, that maybe needs sorting.
No mention of of the massive handouts to coal generators ATM.
No announcement of further firming capacity, no mention of much, other than extending the life of coal.
You can't be critical of of the emission situation, without being critical of the current Govt and the pretty average performance so far in the mitigation of emissions.

 

[Knobby22]

As I said, there is plenty the individual can do, rather than berate and finger point at everyone else.

The Left certainly has a propensity to do a lot of naming and shaming, while leaving a mess in their own backyard, that maybe needs sorting.
No mention of of the massive handouts to coal generators ATM.
No announcement of further firming capacity, no mention of much, other than extending the life of coal.

This thread is purely commenting on the science. There are other threads regards energy but if you want to start a thread on individual actions then feel free. Will be interested.
I know you drive an electric car so are aware of what can be done.

 

[sptrawler]

This thread is purely commenting on the science. There are other threads regards energy but if you want to start a thread on individual actions then feel free. Will be interested.

The thread is about global warming as a result of emissions which is a direct result of producing energy, which gives off carbon therefore in reality there is an inextricable link between the two. Being an engineer I would have thought you would realise that.

Same as where I questioned the measures the individual makes to mitigating their personal contribution to emissions, if humans stopped using energy their contribution to global warming would cease and possibly global warming would become stoppable.

Isn't the science about what is causing the issue and what can be done to reduce it, or is the science only to reinforce that nothing can or should be done about it.

I thought the thread posed a question "IS global warming becomming unstoppable", maybe you should start a thread "global warming is unstoppable", if you don't want people to respond to the question.

 

[sptrawler]

There is certainly much that individuals can do. But having said that combating global warming requires large scale policy decisions by an elected government. To do that requires a community that understands we have a problem and accepts that changes need to be made across many areas on our our society.

The core of problem with global warming has been CO2 emissions from almost every aspect of our current economic system. The solution requires massive decarbonisation as a starting point. This could have been done in a steady and relatively orderly way if we started 35-40 years when the issue was first understood. But as IFocus pointed out the fossil fuel industry has been the mainstay behind undermining all efforts to decarbonise. It was impossible for this to happen without community understanding and support .

In 2024 we face a very difficult situation. 30 years ago could have conceivably had a 30 year transition to a low carbon society and relatively little effects on our environment which underpins our civilisation.

That opportunity has past. Global warming is now very real and having serious effects. We still have to transition or we simply will cook. But we now have to both transition at breakneck speed AND deal with the many, many problems caused by the far hotter climate.

These are just the facts.

35 to 40 years ago, the only clean energy alternative available with existing science was hydro and nuclear, both of which Australian activists took a very poor view of. The same is the case with solar generation, we closed down a solar panel manufacturing plant 15 years ago, that was exporting to the world.

So really we have no one to blame other than ourselves and our reluctance to change, the problem now is we have people trying to re write history to apportion blame, which is par for course in Australia.

Now change is being held up by political grandstanding and finger pointing taking centre stage, rather than constructive discussion and technical guidance, situation normal.

 

[Knobby22]

The thread is about global warming as a result of emissions which is a direct result of producing energy, which gives off carbon therefore in reality there is an inextricable link between the two. Being an engineer I would have thought you would realise that.

Same as where I questioned the measures the individual makes to mitigating their personal contribution to emissions, if humans stopped using energy their contribution to global warming would cease and possibly global warming would become stoppable.

Isn't the science about what is causing the issue and what can be done to reduce it, or is the science only to reinforce that nothing can or should be done about it.

I thought the thread posed a question "IS global warming becomming unstoppable", maybe you should start a thread "global warming is unstoppable", if you don't want people to respond to the question.

When the question was asked it was still a question, it is unstoppable now. So I suppose we need a new thread name.
So now it's just recording all the records.
My daughter says I should help by becoming vegetarian, but stuff that.
Anyway, it's not a thread about individual actions. frankly, it would not make a lick of difference if I decided to live in a cave and live off mushrooms.
If you feel so strongly about it you should start a thread about it.

 

[sptrawler]

When the question was asked it was still a question, it is unstoppable now. So I suppose we need a new thread name.
So now it's just recoding all the records.
My daughter says I should help by becoming vegetarian, but stuff that.
Anyway, it's not a thread about individual actions. frankly, it would not make a lick of difference if I decided to live in a cave and live off mushrooms.
If you feel so strongly about it you should start a thread about it.

Even if it is unstoppable, every effort should be made to reduce our emissions, if we have the technical ability to do so.
If we didn't adopt that ideology we would still have every second house burning wood and coal in lounge room fires, thank god that was stopped.
However we always end up in the same old political roundabout, rather than discussing the issue at hand and we wonder why nothing gets done in Canberra.
Is global warming becoming unstoppable? who knows, but you never know everyone might end up living in a cave if a sensible way of addressing it isn't sorted.

 

[Knobby22]

Even if it is unstoppable, every effort should be made to reduce our emissions, if we have the technical ability to do so.
If we didn't adopt that ideology we would still have every second house burning wood and coal in lounge room fires, thank god that was stopped.
However we always end up in the same old political roundabout, rather than discussing the issue at hand and we wonder why nothing gets done in Canberra.
Is global warming becoming unstoppable? who knows, but you never know everyone might end up living in a cave if a sensible way of addressing it isn't sorted.

Again the thread is not about that.

 

[sptrawler]

Again the thread is not about that.

Maybe you could write a guideline, so that the members know what the thread is about.

 

[Knobby22]

Maybe you could write a guideline, so that the members know what the thread is about.

Maybe you could read it.

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe you could read it.

What? Your quote:

"When the question was asked it was still a question, it is unstoppable now. So I suppose we need a new thread name."