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She was a scientist and brought that discipline into Parliament. I have the greatest respect for her. One of the greats.Interesting article with some facts that I'm sure not many were aware of, I certainly wasn't.
It's funny how those who deride Margret Thatcher for the closure of antiquated and uneconomical coal mines, are now calling for exactly the same things to happen, I guess that's narrative and mass media brainwashing for you.
Climate wars have not been a feature of British politics. That’s about to change
Labour is widely expected to win next year’s election. But Rishi Sunak is not going to die wondering and is playing the carbon card.www.smh.com.au
The first important political leader to put global warming on the agenda was a conservative. And not just any conservative, but one with an unmatched capacity to get left-wing blood boiling: Margaret Thatcher.
In those early days, it was environmental degradation by pollution, logging of old-growth forests and dams which were at the top of environmentalists’ concerns. Atmospheric pollution was considered dangerous primarily because of the health effects of particulates, and the threat to the ozone layer.
Thatcher was one of the first politicians – certainly the first world leader – to make an issue of global warming. Unusually for the humanities-laden British political establishment, her Oxford degree was in science. Her early career was as an industrial chemist. Thatcher’s interest in the issue sprang not from ideology and outrage, but education and expertise.
In two important speeches in the late 1980s, she articulated her concerns and demanded global action. In September 1988, in an address to The Royal Society, she said: “t is possible that with all these enormous changes (population, agricultural, use of fossil fuels) concentrated into such a short period of time, we have unwittingly begun a massive experiment with the system of this planet itself. ”
She described dealing with human-induced climate change as one of “the great challenges of the late 20th century.”
In November 1989, in a major speech to the UN General Assembly, Thatcher warned of the “insidious danger” of climate change and “the prospect of irretrievable damage to the atmosphere, to the oceans, to earth itself”. She went on to say: “It is mankind and his activities which are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways … The problem of global climate change is one that affects us all and action will only be effective if it is taken at the international level.”
Yes I never realised that of her, all I remember was my Dad and all the family hating her when I was a kid, my family were from North Yorkshire and were badly affected by the mine closures.She was a scientist and brought that discipline into Parliament. I have the greatest respect for her. One of the greats.
Thatcher copping the blame for the demise of British coal mining was itself a classic case of politics and the media radically distorting the truth.It's funny how those who deride Margret Thatcher for the closure of antiquated and uneconomical coal mines
To put that into perspective, the UK's peak rate of coal mining was 292 million tonnes in 1913 and the peak of consumption was 218 million tonnes in 1956.Apparently there are 33 million tonnes of economically recoverable reserves available in the U.K at operational and permitted mines, plus a further 344 million tonnes at mines in planning.
These graphs show what an unparalleled collapse in sea ice around Antarctica looks likeDid you see the latest Antatrtic figure/graph?.Bit of a worry.
II don't think most scientists thought this would happen till at least 2030.
Open and click on Antarctic.
Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph
How to use CharcticDeveloped at NSIDC with support from NASA, the Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph enables users to more easily access and explore the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adnsidc.org
What's really critical Bas is what we as individuals are doing about it, after all we are the consumer demand that is driving the climate change, I've installed solar panels, changed all appliances to high efficiency electric, have purchased an EV, mainly use public transport or the electric bike or scooter, have Aldi electric lawn mower, hedge trimmer, pole saw etc.The accumulation of heat in oceans is now critical. This story highlights the effect of massive global warming over the past 40 plus years.
With the world's oceans in the middle of an unprecedented heatwave, scientists are worried
Climate scientists say natural "anaesthetics" have been masking the true impact of climate change for years but have now worn off. Here's why the world's ocean temperatures are at record highs and what they could bring.www.abc.net.au
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Oh yeah? We've gone back to horses and live in a cave shivering around a single candle, eating ground roots and grasshoppers.What's really critical Bas is what we as individuals are doing about it, after all we are the consumer demand that is driving the climate change, I've installed solar panels, changed all appliances to high efficiency electric, have purchased an EV, mainly use public transport or the electric bike or scooter, have Aldi electric lawn mower, hedge trimmer, pole saw etc.
How are you going with your own carbon footprint, other than being head poster printer and cheer leader for climate action?
Yes.... and No SP. It's far more complicated isn't it ?What's really critical Bas is what we as individuals are doing about it, after all we are the consumer demand that is driving the climate change, I've installed solar panels, changed all appliances to high efficiency electric, have purchased an EV, mainly use public transport or the electric bike or scooter, have Aldi electric lawn mower, hedge trimmer, pole saw etc.
How are you going with your own carbon footprint, other than being head poster printer and cheer leader for climate action?
I see basilio has taken me off ignore, and still refuses to acknowledge that people can have a nuanced opinion.
In basilios workd people either fully on board with the climate cult or are complete deniers.
This is really just religious thinking and and no way logical or critical thinking.
Please put me back on ignore so I don't have to keep pointing this out.
Still a mendacious ****Indeed we all suffer Wayne.
Don't accuse me Wayne of being the bearer of extreme/cataclysmic views on CC. The world is going through convulsions through uncontrollable fires, extreme heat waves, unprecedented losses of sea ice, massive rain events.
Each and every time these events happen climate scientists note they are the realities of global warming. But in your nuanced world ?? Nothing to see here. Move on.
Your disrespect for climate scientists does you no favours.
At a personal level well I've never owned any car with more than a 4 cylinder petrol engine in it and I've done what's practical to save energy at home, recycle and so on. I sure aren't keen on overconsumption for the sake of it either.Yes I do more than my "little bit" in reducing my carbon footprint and supporting activities/programs that work in the wider community.
I'd put this down to Green Left activist teachers frightening kids about climate change and not enough science education to teach them how to actually do something about itAt a personal level well I've never owned any car with more than a 4 cylinder petrol engine in it and I've done what's practical to save energy at home, recycle and so on. I sure aren't keen on overconsumption for the sake of it either.
The big one though would be convincing, or trying to convince, governments what needs to be done and what's not worth doing. There's been a few wins but clearly not enough. Suffice to say though I don't buy the mainstream media view as to where the various political parties stand, having seen enough behind the scenes to know the truth.
Biggest problem with all of this is society as a whole is far too down the track of yelling and screaming, believing or denying, and really doesn't have its mind around what needs to be done. There's far too much denial of what needs to happen and at the same time making up "required" actions that aren't really required at all which amount to someone using climate as a convenient cover to push some other agenda.
In truth there's a lot of things that simply don't add up but which, driven by whatever motive, many keep repeating over and over. Look at the maths though and it's nonsense. Meanwhile that noise drowns out the things that actually do need to change.
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