Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[wayneL]

A very successful guy. But call him what you will.

I wish you could have heard him. I don't give him justice.

Chaos theory is real and would say we have forgotten something and it will get a lot worse than predicted. Antarctica is an early example.

Kohler is a lot more on the ball than the economists who are prone to group think. He isn't one.

As he says the world, and China was specifically mentioned, is too late now. Reducing emissions is not enough anymore. Additional actions will be necessary. Tha t won't happen either in the short term.

We are going to see some awesome stuff happening Wayne.

There is/was always awesome *weather*.

The truly awesome things we will see is advancing totalitarianism via propaganda and the complicity of pearl clutchers, as alluded to by Herr Kohler.

 

[basilio]

Sir Galah, you guys need to get your story straight. Is it global freezing, warming, change, boiling, or blistering?

I'm happy with warming.

How about xxxxing serious ?

 

[Sean K]

How about xxxxing serious ?

Yes, very, very serious.

 

[basilio]

Yes, very, very serious.

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You clearly have a well ordered, extensive file of CC troll stories for every occasion. All you need to do is pick the right one to throw any worthwhile conversation to the kerb.

 

[basilio]

So what did this Swedish scientist actually say ? And why ?

Did Swedish Scientist Propose Cannibalism as Climate Change Solution?

News websites seized upon remarks made by Magnus Söderlund in September 2019, but climate skepticism (and a language barrier) may have caused confusion.

www.snopes.com

 

[Sean K]

So what did this Swedish scientist actually say ? And why ?

Did Swedish Scientist Propose Cannibalism as Climate Change Solution?

News websites seized upon remarks made by Magnus Söderlund in September 2019, but climate skepticism (and a language barrier) may have caused confusion.

www.snopes.com

He may or may not have said it specifically.

"without being able to examine a copy of that presentation, or watch a video of it, we can't determine definitively what he did and did not say."

Seems like he might have been testing his audience as opposed to being serious. Maybe.

 

[basilio]

He may or may not have said it specifically.

"without being able to examine a copy of that presentation, or watch a video of it, we can't determine definitively what he did and did not say."

Seems like he might have been testing his audience as opposed to being serious. Maybe.

Did you read the research ? Yes he was just "testing the audience" . Asking challenging questions. But that doesn't make CC clickbait does it ?

I am afraid that there have been several misunderstandings in the reporting on this issue. This is what happened: since many persons are expressing that they do not want to eat traditional meat anymore, one may wonder what we should eat instead. To collect some views on this, I had a chance to ask questions to an audience at a food fair; I showed a meat product and asked if the participants would consider eating it while I varied the content (cow, vegetarian substitute meat, insects etc). Human content was included in one version as an extreme case — to see where the limit is.

Then, the issue ended up on various sites with alternative views on facts. I believe that the issue has somehow been hijacked by people who do not believe that global warming and other climate issues should be taken seriously — and, given this, it may indeed be useful to refer to events indicating that climate activists have completely crazy ideas (such as that we should eat each other).

Just for the record: I do not want to eat human meat, I do not want to be eaten, I do not think that eating humans influences the climate, I am not an activist, I am just a researcher who thinks that it must be possible to ask questions about also the dark sides of what we humans do and do not do.

 

[Sean K]

Did you read the research ? Yes he was just "testing the audience" . Asking challenging questions. But that doesn't make CC clickbait does it ?

I took the time to read it. I also did a search to see if snopes was left or right and it's slightly left leaning, so who knows.

However, we can say that Söderlund did not advocate or propose cannibalism as a solution to climate change in his TV4 interview. Rather, he merely discussed it and explained that his research involved asking questions about it. For those reasons, this element of the claim is false. On the whole, therefore, we issue a rating of "Mixture."

So, even a left leaning site gives the report a 'mixture' judgement.

Whatever the case, this guy asked an audience if they thought eating other humans was going to do something to the temperature.

 

[IFocus]

Sir Galah, you guys need to get your story straight. Is it global freezing, warming, change, boiling, or blistering?

I'm happy with warming.

TBH I don't care as I avoid the politics and power plays but am watching (as you know) the ice melt at alarming rates none of which is linear.

 

[basilio]

I took the time to read it. I also did a search to see if snopes was left or right and it's slightly left leaning, so who knows.

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So, even a left leaning site gives the report a 'mixture' judgement.

Whatever the case, this guy asked an audience if they thought eating other humans was going to do something to the temperature.

That is not correct Sean. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. He said nothing like that. Totally off the track.
And with regard to All Sides ? Sounds ok. Frankly I thought the research/analysis offered on this story was quite thorough and even handed.

After reading the background to the story one has learnt much more than suggested by the clickbait CC hysteria headline.

 

[Sean K]

That is not correct Sean. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. He said nothing like that. Totally off the track.
And with regard to All Sides ? Sounds ok. Frankly I thought the research/analysis offered on this story was quite thorough and even handed.

After reading the background to the story one has learnt much more than suggested by the clickbait CC hysteria headline.

Huh?

I posted analysis from a 'bias and misinformation' site in regards to which way snopes leaned. Left.

And in regards to 'All Sides'? What?

I agree that the screen shot I put up about eating humans to save the climate was inflammatory. But that's the sort of crap children are being fed on a daily basis by the alarmists to support their case that the World is about to explode because of a 1.5 degree temp change.

 

[basilio]

Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn​

Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37C

Jonathan Watts

@jonathanwatts
Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.00 AESTLast modified on Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.31 AEST


Exceptional winter heat in the Andean mountains of South America has surged to 37C, prompting local scientists to warn the worst may be yet to come as human-caused climate disruption and El Niño cause havoc across the region.

The heatwave in the central Chilean Andes is melting the snow below 3,000 metres (9,840ft), which will have knock-on effects for people living in downstream valleys who depend on meltwater during the spring and summer.

Tuesday was probably the warmest winter day in northern Chile in 72 years, according to Raul Cordero, a climate scientist at the University of Groningen, who said the 37C recorded at the Vicuña Los Pimientos station in the Coquimbo region was caused by a combination of global heating, El Niño and easterly gusts, known by locals as Terral winds that bring hot, dry weather.

Dozens of meteorological monitoring stations at more than 1,000 metres altitude recorded temperatures above 35C in winter, according to the Extreme Temperatures Around The World blog.

Cordero said the unusual heat at this altitude was a worry. “The main problem is how the high temperatures exacerbate droughts (in eastern Argentina and Uruguay and accelerate snow melting.”

Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn

Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37C

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

The role of Antarctica in the global climate systems.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing​

Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

There is now 2.5m sq km less sea ice than there should be at this time of year, roughly the size of Western Australia,’ says oceanographer Andrew Meijers of Antarctica this southern winter.

These last few months have been a turbulent time to be an oceanographer, particularly one specialising in the vast Southern Ocean around Antarctica and its role in our climate. The media has been awash with stories of marine heatwaves across the northern hemisphere, the potential collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by mid-century and the record-breaking deficit in Antarctic sea ice emerging this southern winter. Alongside heatwaves and bushfires in North America and southern Europe, flooding in China and South American winter temperatures above 38C, the climate has moved from a “future problem” to a “now problem” in the minds of many.

The global climate is one hugely complex interconnected system. While the Antarctic and Southern Ocean are far removed from our daily lives, they play an oversized role in this system and the future climate that concerns humanity now. “Global warming” is really “ocean warming”. The atmospheric temperature change, the 1.5C Paris target we are now perilously near to exceeding, really is only a few percent of our total excess trapped heat. Almost all the rest is in the ocean and it is around Antarctica that it is predominantly taken up. How this uptake may change in the future as winds, temperatures and ice shift is a critical scientific, and human, question.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing | Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sean K]

The role of Antarctica in the global climate systems.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing​

Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

There is now 2.5m sq km less sea ice than there should be at this time of year, roughly the size of Western Australia,’ says oceanographer Andrew Meijers of Antarctica this southern winter.

These last few months have been a turbulent time to be an oceanographer, particularly one specialising in the vast Southern Ocean around Antarctica and its role in our climate. The media has been awash with stories of marine heatwaves across the northern hemisphere, the potential collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by mid-century and the record-breaking deficit in Antarctic sea ice emerging this southern winter. Alongside heatwaves and bushfires in North America and southern Europe, flooding in China and South American winter temperatures above 38C, the climate has moved from a “future problem” to a “now problem” in the minds of many.

The global climate is one hugely complex interconnected system. While the Antarctic and Southern Ocean are far removed from our daily lives, they play an oversized role in this system and the future climate that concerns humanity now. “Global warming” is really “ocean warming”. The atmospheric temperature change, the 1.5C Paris target we are now perilously near to exceeding, really is only a few percent of our total excess trapped heat. Almost all the rest is in the ocean and it is around Antarctica that it is predominantly taken up. How this uptake may change in the future as winds, temperatures and ice shift is a critical scientific, and human, question.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing | Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

www.theguardian.com

A 'civilisation-ending 10m' rise in sea levels?

Move up the hill.

And, just a reminder, Australia is a CO2 sink.

And, we can not control the climate.

 

[Knobby22]

Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn​

Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37C

Jonathan Watts

@jonathanwatts
Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.00 AESTLast modified on Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.31 AEST


Exceptional winter heat in the Andean mountains of South America has surged to 37C, prompting local scientists to warn the worst may be yet to come as human-caused climate disruption and El Niño cause havoc across the region.

The heatwave in the central Chilean Andes is melting the snow below 3,000 metres (9,840ft), which will have knock-on effects for people living in downstream valleys who depend on meltwater during the spring and summer.

Tuesday was probably the warmest winter day in northern Chile in 72 years, according to Raul Cordero, a climate scientist at the University of Groningen, who said the 37C recorded at the Vicuña Los Pimientos station in the Coquimbo region was caused by a combination of global heating, El Niño and easterly gusts, known by locals as Terral winds that bring hot, dry weather.

Dozens of meteorological monitoring stations at more than 1,000 metres altitude recorded temperatures above 35C in winter, according to the Extreme Temperatures Around The World blog.

Cordero said the unusual heat at this altitude was a worry. “The main problem is how the high temperatures exacerbate droughts (in eastern Argentina and Uruguay and accelerate snow melting.”

Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn

Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37C

www.theguardian.com

The role of Antarctica in the global climate systems.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing​

Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

There is now 2.5m sq km less sea ice than there should be at this time of year, roughly the size of Western Australia,’ says oceanographer Andrew Meijers of Antarctica this southern winter.

These last few months have been a turbulent time to be an oceanographer, particularly one specialising in the vast Southern Ocean around Antarctica and its role in our climate. The media has been awash with stories of marine heatwaves across the northern hemisphere, the potential collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by mid-century and the record-breaking deficit in Antarctic sea ice emerging this southern winter. Alongside heatwaves and bushfires in North America and southern Europe, flooding in China and South American winter temperatures above 38C, the climate has moved from a “future problem” to a “now problem” in the minds of many.

The global climate is one hugely complex interconnected system. While the Antarctic and Southern Ocean are far removed from our daily lives, they play an oversized role in this system and the future climate that concerns humanity now. “Global warming” is really “ocean warming”. The atmospheric temperature change, the 1.5C Paris target we are now perilously near to exceeding, really is only a few percent of our total excess trapped heat. Almost all the rest is in the ocean and it is around Antarctica that it is predominantly taken up. How this uptake may change in the future as winds, temperatures and ice shift is a critical scientific, and human, question.

Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing | Andrew Meijers

Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers

www.theguardian.com

Yes, interesting.
5 metres isn't unrealistic if the temperatures keep accelerating.
It feels like a step change this year. We know there are large amounts of methane being released in the tundra regions. I suspect that is the cause for the faster rises of temperatures.

Methane rose by 14 parts per billion to 1,911.9 ppb in 2022. It rose slightly faster in 2020 (15.20 ppb) and 2021 (17.75 ppb).

That is a pretty big rise in a short time frame and 2023 it will be higher still. Methane though shorter lived is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. It's creating a positive feedback loop.

 

[basilio]

Yes, interesting.
5 metres isn't unrealistic if the temperatures keep accelerating.
It feels like a step change this year. We know there are large amounts of methane being released in the tundra regions. I suspect that is the cause for the faster rises of temperatures.

Methane rose by 14 parts per billion to 1,911.9 ppb in 2022. It rose slightly faster in 2020 (15.20 ppb) and 2021 (17.75 ppb).

That is a pretty big rise in a short time frame and 2023 it will be higher still. Methane though shorter lived is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. It's creating a positive feedback loop.

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Your quite right about the methane emissions. I noticed that this seems to have been studiously ignored to date. Or at least I havn't come across significant stories.
Methane is shortlived as a GG but the punch it creates is far more powerful than CO2. The release of massive amounts of methane from melting tundra is one of the tipping points that climate scientists have identified as potentially a game breaker.

Climate change: Six tipping points ‘likely’ to be crossed

Current rates of warming put the Earth on a path of runaway climate change, according to a new analysis.

www.bbc.com

 

[basilio]

The concept of taking action before the GBR is irreversibly damaged Vs waiting until it is mostly xxxxed​

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Expert panel calls for urgent rethink on Great Barrier Reef management amid ‘unremitting’ climate crisis​

Group chaired by former chief scientist Ian Chubb writes to Tanya Plibersek, saying ‘business as usual’ on the reef is not an option

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Graham Readfearn

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Thu 3 Aug 2023 15.34 AESTLast modified on Thu 3 Aug 2023 16.19 AEST


Leading national experts on the Great Barrier Reef have called for an urgent reassessment of the way the world’s biggest reef system is managed, saying current approaches are too inflexible in the face of “unremitting global warming.”

An established independent expert panel, chaired by the former chief scientist Ian Chubb, wrote to the environment minister, Tanya Plibersek, saying “business as usual” is no longer an option.

The reef was “in a transition driven by greenhouse gases emitted to levels unprecedented in 800,000 years”, Chubb wrote in a letter published today, warning the effects would worsen in coming decades as greenhouse gas emissions continued.

A report from the Australian Academy of Sciences, also released Thursday, said the climatecrisis was likely to damage the reef in ways that could become “irreversible” by the middle of this century.
That report – released in conjunction with the advice of the expert panel – also recommended a comprehensive review of reef management.

Expert panel calls for urgent rethink on Great Barrier Reef management amid ‘unremitting’ climate crisis

Group chaired by former chief scientist Ian Chubb writes to Tanya Plibersek, saying ‘business as usual’ on the reef is not an option

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

Check out the letter outlining proposed new management directions to manage the reef environment as global heating intensifies.
There is a broader report from the Australian Academy of Science

Reef Futures Roundtables Report | Australian Academy of Science

*/ Published 3 August 2023

www.science.org.au

 

[basilio]

How much impact is global warming having on extreme weather events ? The scientific analysis of the effects of increased temperatures on individual heatwaves, cyclones, rain events has become far clearer with the developments of complex climate models and supercomputers to crunch the figures.

When Disaster Strikes, Is Climate Change to Blame?

Scientists are specifying how much damage climate change is adding to extreme weather events, potentially influencing court cases, insurance claims and public policy

By Lois Parshley on June 1, 2023

Last November the spring weather in South America jumped from cold to searing. Usually at that time of year people would have been holding backyard barbecues, or asados, in the lingering evening light. But on December 7 the temperature in northern Argentina, near the borders of Bolivia and Paraguay, hit 115 degrees Fahrenheit, making it one of the hottest places on Earth. The heat exacerbated a three-year drought, baking the soil and shriveling vast wheat crops before harvest.

As the Argentine government restricted wheat exports and warned people to stay indoors, a small team of scientists from around the globe logged on to Zoom. They belonged to the World Weather Attribution (WWA) group, a collaboration of climate researchers that Friederike Otto and Geert Jan van Oldenborgh formed in 2014 to address a persistent, nagging question: Is climate change making extreme weather worse and, if so, by how much? The group's ambitious goal is to provide straight answers almost as quickly as disasters strike—for the public, the media and policy makers, as well as for emergency managers and urban planners trying to understand how to prepare for the next severe event.

Just over a week after a 2021 heat dome began baking the U.S. Pacific Northwest, for example, the team released a careful and comprehensive evaluation built on previous science. It concluded that the record-breaking circumstances would have been almost impossible without human-caused climate change, noting that the temperatures “were so extreme that they lie far outside the range of historically observed temperatures.” When swaths of India and Pakistan suffered heat dangerous to human life in the spring of 2022, the team estimated that climate change made the heat wave hotter and more likely. And when large parts of Pakistan flooded last summer, the group found that climate change could have increased the rainfall by as much as 50 percent.

When Disaster Strikes, Is Climate Change to Blame?

Scientists are specifying how much damage climate change is adding to extreme weather events, potentially influencing court cases, insurance claims and public policy

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[basilio]

The catastrophic fires in Hawaii.

Hawaiian fire death toll jumps to 53, thousands homeless in Maui town of Lahaina ​

By North America correspondent Barbara Miller and Cameron Schwarz in Maui, Hawaii, with Chloe Ross and Brad Ryan in Washington DC
Posted 1h ago1 hours ago, updated 37m ago37 minutes ago

Hundreds of homes and businesses have been lost in the town of Lahaina.(AP: Rick Bowmer)
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The death toll from a fire disaster in Hawaii could surge "significantly" higher than 60, the state's governor says.

Key points:​

• Another 17 fatalities have been confirmed, taking the death toll to 53
• Thousands of people have been evacuated from Maui
• Locals say the historic town of Lahaina has been destroyed

Thousands of people are sheltering in cars, churches and the local airport on the fire-devastated island of Maui, where the official death toll has increased to 53.

"As firefighting efforts continue, 17 additional fatalities have been confirmed today amid the active Lahaina fire," a statement from the County of Maui said.

Hawaii governor Josh Green told CNN the number of fatalities could climb above that of the state's worst disaster to date — a tsunami that killed 61 people in 1960.

"It's very likely that our death totals will significantly exceed that."
He said as many as 1,700 buildings appeared to have been destroyed.

Hawaiian fire death toll jumps to 55, thousands homeless in Maui town of Lahaina

The death toll from a fire disaster on the Hawaiian island of Maui could surge "significantly" higher than 60, the state's governor says.

www.abc.net.au

‘Like a bomb went off’: Maui wildfires decimate historic town of Lahaina

Flames fanned by Hurricane Dora leap above buildings, leaving residents grappling with loss of life and homes

www.theguardian.com