There is/was always awesome *weather*.A very successful guy. But call him what you will.
I wish you could have heard him. I don't give him justice.
Chaos theory is real and would say we have forgotten something and it will get a lot worse than predicted. Antarctica is an early example.
Kohler is a lot more on the ball than the economists who are prone to group think. He isn't one.
As he says the world, and China was specifically mentioned, is too late now. Reducing emissions is not enough anymore. Additional actions will be necessary. Tha t won't happen either in the short term.
We are going to see some awesome stuff happening Wayne.
How about xxxxing serious ?Sir Galah, you guys need to get your story straight. Is it global freezing, warming, change, boiling, or blistering?
I'm happy with warming.
You clearly have a well ordered, extensive file of CC troll stories for every occasion. All you need to do is pick the right one to throw any worthwhile conversation to the kerb.
So what did this Swedish scientist actually say ? And why ?
Did Swedish Scientist Propose Cannibalism as Climate Change Solution?
News websites seized upon remarks made by Magnus Söderlund in September 2019, but climate skepticism (and a language barrier) may have caused confusion.www.snopes.com
Did you read the research ? Yes he was just "testing the audience" . Asking challenging questions. But that doesn't make CC clickbait does it ?He may or may not have said it specifically.
"without being able to examine a copy of that presentation, or watch a video of it, we can't determine definitively what he did and did not say."
Seems like he might have been testing his audience as opposed to being serious. Maybe.
I am afraid that there have been several misunderstandings in the reporting on this issue. This is what happened: since many persons are expressing that they do not want to eat traditional meat anymore, one may wonder what we should eat instead. To collect some views on this, I had a chance to ask questions to an audience at a food fair; I showed a meat product and asked if the participants would consider eating it while I varied the content (cow, vegetarian substitute meat, insects etc). Human content was included in one version as an extreme case — to see where the limit is.
Then, the issue ended up on various sites with alternative views on facts. I believe that the issue has somehow been hijacked by people who do not believe that global warming and other climate issues should be taken seriously — and, given this, it may indeed be useful to refer to events indicating that climate activists have completely crazy ideas (such as that we should eat each other).
Just for the record: I do not want to eat human meat, I do not want to be eaten, I do not think that eating humans influences the climate, I am not an activist, I am just a researcher who thinks that it must be possible to ask questions about also the dark sides of what we humans do and do not do.
Did you read the research ? Yes he was just "testing the audience" . Asking challenging questions. But that doesn't make CC clickbait does it ?
However, we can say that Söderlund did not advocate or propose cannibalism as a solution to climate change in his TV4 interview. Rather, he merely discussed it and explained that his research involved asking questions about it. For those reasons, this element of the claim is false. On the whole, therefore, we issue a rating of "Mixture."
Sir Galah, you guys need to get your story straight. Is it global freezing, warming, change, boiling, or blistering?
I'm happy with warming.
That is not correct Sean. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. He said nothing like that. Totally off the track.I took the time to read it. I also did a search to see if snopes was left or right and it's slightly left leaning, so who knows.
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So, even a left leaning site gives the report a 'mixture' judgement.
Whatever the case, this guy asked an audience if they thought eating other humans was going to do something to the temperature.
That is not correct Sean. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. He said nothing like that. Totally off the track.
And with regard to All Sides ? Sounds ok. Frankly I thought the research/analysis offered on this story was quite thorough and even handed.
After reading the background to the story one has learnt much more than suggested by the clickbait CC hysteria headline.
The role of Antarctica in the global climate systems.
Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing
Andrew Meijers
Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers
There is now 2.5m sq km less sea ice than there should be at this time of year, roughly the size of Western Australia,’ says oceanographer Andrew Meijers of Antarctica this southern winter.
These last few months have been a turbulent time to be an oceanographer, particularly one specialising in the vast Southern Ocean around Antarctica and its role in our climate. The media has been awash with stories of marine heatwaves across the northern hemisphere, the potential collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by mid-century and the record-breaking deficit in Antarctic sea ice emerging this southern winter. Alongside heatwaves and bushfires in North America and southern Europe, flooding in China and South American winter temperatures above 38C, the climate has moved from a “future problem” to a “now problem” in the minds of many.
The global climate is one hugely complex interconnected system. While the Antarctic and Southern Ocean are far removed from our daily lives, they play an oversized role in this system and the future climate that concerns humanity now. “Global warming” is really “ocean warming”. The atmospheric temperature change, the 1.5C Paris target we are now perilously near to exceeding, really is only a few percent of our total excess trapped heat. Almost all the rest is in the ocean and it is around Antarctica that it is predominantly taken up. How this uptake may change in the future as winds, temperatures and ice shift is a critical scientific, and human, question.
Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing | Andrew Meijers
Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researcherswww.theguardian.com
Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn
Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37C
Jonathan Watts
@jonathanwatts
Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.00 AESTLast modified on Sun 6 Aug 2023 18.31 AEST
Exceptional winter heat in the Andean mountains of South America has surged to 37C, prompting local scientists to warn the worst may be yet to come as human-caused climate disruption and El Niño cause havoc across the region.
The heatwave in the central Chilean Andes is melting the snow below 3,000 metres (9,840ft), which will have knock-on effects for people living in downstream valleys who depend on meltwater during the spring and summer.
Tuesday was probably the warmest winter day in northern Chile in 72 years, according to Raul Cordero, a climate scientist at the University of Groningen, who said the 37C recorded at the Vicuña Los Pimientos station in the Coquimbo region was caused by a combination of global heating, El Niño and easterly gusts, known by locals as Terral winds that bring hot, dry weather.
Dozens of meteorological monitoring stations at more than 1,000 metres altitude recorded temperatures above 35C in winter, according to the Extreme Temperatures Around The World blog.
Cordero said the unusual heat at this altitude was a worry. “The main problem is how the high temperatures exacerbate droughts (in eastern Argentina and Uruguay and accelerate snow melting.”
Winter heatwave in Andes is sign of things to come, scientists warn
Human-caused climate disruption and El Niño push temperature in mountains to 37Cwww.theguardian.com
The role of Antarctica in the global climate systems.
Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing
Andrew Meijers
Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researchers
There is now 2.5m sq km less sea ice than there should be at this time of year, roughly the size of Western Australia,’ says oceanographer Andrew Meijers of Antarctica this southern winter.
These last few months have been a turbulent time to be an oceanographer, particularly one specialising in the vast Southern Ocean around Antarctica and its role in our climate. The media has been awash with stories of marine heatwaves across the northern hemisphere, the potential collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by mid-century and the record-breaking deficit in Antarctic sea ice emerging this southern winter. Alongside heatwaves and bushfires in North America and southern Europe, flooding in China and South American winter temperatures above 38C, the climate has moved from a “future problem” to a “now problem” in the minds of many.
The global climate is one hugely complex interconnected system. While the Antarctic and Southern Ocean are far removed from our daily lives, they play an oversized role in this system and the future climate that concerns humanity now. “Global warming” is really “ocean warming”. The atmospheric temperature change, the 1.5C Paris target we are now perilously near to exceeding, really is only a few percent of our total excess trapped heat. Almost all the rest is in the ocean and it is around Antarctica that it is predominantly taken up. How this uptake may change in the future as winds, temperatures and ice shift is a critical scientific, and human, question.
Is the climate crisis finally catching up with Antarctica? Finding the answer has never been more pressing | Andrew Meijers
Our inability to confidently predict sea level rise between an extremely challenging two metres and a civilisation-ending 10 metres is an exemplar of the problem facing researcherswww.theguardian.com
Your quite right about the methane emissions. I noticed that this seems to have been studiously ignored to date. Or at least I havn't come across significant stories.Yes, interesting.
5 metres isn't unrealistic if the temperatures keep accelerating.
It feels like a step change this year. We know there are large amounts of methane being released in the tundra regions. I suspect that is the cause for the faster rises of temperatures.
Methane rose by 14 parts per billion to 1,911.9 ppb in 2022. It rose slightly faster in 2020 (15.20 ppb) and 2021 (17.75 ppb).
That is a pretty big rise in a short time frame and 2023 it will be higher still. Methane though shorter lived is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. It's creating a positive feedback loop.
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