HAHAHA funny ,wouldnt really be a forum discussion without a negative view now would it
Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
lalalalalalalalalalaalaalaalalalala
Internet Filtering: Australia heads further towards totalitarianism
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HAHAHA funny ,wouldnt really be a forum discussion without a negative view now would it
Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
lalalalalalalalalalaalaalaalalalala
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I guess this begs a question...
There must be a lot of snoopers and perverts in the security organisations?
If all they do all day is listen to phone conversations and read emails, etc, to look out for the "terrorist stuff", they must be also receiving a lot of "naughty stuff". Seems to me that they would "be under the influence". I dont think I would invite any of these security type people to my house for dinner. Unsavoury lot, IMO.
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Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
That comment is a state of complete denial.
Is anyone genuinely naive enough to think that totalitarianism can't happen here? It's one freedom at a time. Selective information monitoring with good reasons in individual cases to find criminals is one thing. Blanket information control of an entire nation is an entirely different kettle of fish.
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I remained silent;
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When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
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When they came for the Jews,
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HAHAHA funny ,wouldnt really be a forum discussion without a negative view now would it
Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
lalalalalalalalalalaalaalaalalalala
Mate your lost!
You must be one of the most ignorant people I have come across.
Your mentality is the exact thing that is ruining this world and making it a worse place to live!
Most people on this forum understand freedom and how it improves society by allowing people to be themselves instead of having to be ashamed of what they believe society will attack them for, (and no I am not talking about pedophilia, as stated in my previous post if you infringe upon the rights of others then society should deal with you) I'm talking about harmless things that hurt no-one. When the moral police come along and make society attack people for doing things that harm nobody, you create a breeding ground for criminals, as these people who are attacked become societal outcasts and then turn there back on society and some decide to take revenge, its what creates criminals in nearly every situation! Thats why most criminals come from poor socio-economic environments, they begin life as outcasts and never truly feel accepted, so its always them vs society. It is your mentality that lays the foundations to create the breeding ground for this. You obviously cant grasp this concept of freedom.
Btw I'd still like to hear your reasoning behind how this filtering will protect children from anything?
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I am not normally one to boast of my achievements but I'll mention a couple related to this thread.
As some may already know, I have a background of involvement in some fairly major public policy issues, particularly in relation to the environment. What you didn't know until now is that on two occasions I've been responsible for effectively destroying the other side's position on an issue through a single statement. The "other side" being one Australian Government and and also the leader of another party.
How? It's easy. I had information they were desperate to keep quiet. Information that had the ability to sink their side of the argument and in one case with broader consequences. And so phone calls were made, letters were written and a TV interview set up. And that was it - blew the whole thing to pieces there and then.
Information that is tightly controlled is more powerful than most realise. A lot more powerful. And I don't for a moment think that the situations I've described are isolated incidents - there are probably thousands of similar cases of someone with knowledge finding themselves in a very powerful position because of it. Control knowledge and you control society.
How many people would understand how fiat currency and the banking system is set up if not for the internet? Not many. Indeed that particular issue is quite likely to be one thing that gets censored at some point. Those who understand it will know why governments don't want that sort of information out there, and it's certainly a lot more common knowledge now than it was a few years ago.
As some may already know, I have a background of involvement in some fairly major public policy issues, particularly in relation to the environment. What you didn't know until now is that on two occasions I've been responsible for effectively destroying the other side's position on an issue through a single statement. The "other side" being one Australian Government and and also the leader of another party.
How? It's easy. I had information they were desperate to keep quiet. Information that had the ability to sink their side of the argument and in one case with broader consequences. And so phone calls were made, letters were written and a TV interview set up. And that was it - blew the whole thing to pieces there and then.
Information that is tightly controlled is more powerful than most realise. A lot more powerful. And I don't for a moment think that the situations I've described are isolated incidents - there are probably thousands of similar cases of someone with knowledge finding themselves in a very powerful position because of it. Control knowledge and you control society.
How many people would understand how fiat currency and the banking system is set up if not for the internet? Not many. Indeed that particular issue is quite likely to be one thing that gets censored at some point. Those who understand it will know why governments don't want that sort of information out there, and it's certainly a lot more common knowledge now than it was a few years ago.
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I don't suppose you are a politician by any chance? Or someone else who does debating professionally?HAHAHA funny ,wouldnt really be a forum discussion without a negative view now would it
Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
lalalalalalalalalalaalaalaalalalala
Let's just say that you wouldn't be having to do what you are doing with that statement if you had the ability to control information in this discussion we're having here.
I think you've illustrated the argument of me and others quite well - the availability of information has made it very difficult to win an argument that would have been a very easy one if the relevant information wasn't widely available.
I still think this filtering is not equivalent to suppression of freedom asyet.
I guess when governments try to legislate then people get all grumpy, but when they do it without any public knowledge then it is alright
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Do you guys seriously think the Internet is completely free? Not controlled? The politicians have realized the power of the internet and will soon legislate it to the extreme.
Already, if you can control three giants (Google, Yahoo and MS), you can pretty much control the whole internet. It is surprising how information can be controlled via Google.
I guess when governments try to legislate then people get all grumpy, but when they do it without any public knowledge then it is alright
. Do you guys seriously think the Internet is completely free? Not controlled? The politicians have realized the power of the internet and will soon legislate it to the extreme.
Already, if you can control three giants (Google, Yahoo and MS), you can pretty much control the whole internet. It is surprising how information can be controlled via Google.
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I doubt that, Smurf. Most politicians have some level of skill at debate. A capacity to present their point of view in such a way as to allow it to sound reasonable.
Cruise lacks this entirely.
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ISP level filtering
There seems to be very little awareness in the general community about what the Government is planning on doing with regard to filtering internet content at the ISP level. There has been a lot of discussion at Whirlpool, but it seems only the tech-savvy have been keeping an interest on developments; when so many more rely on the internet for their business so many more people should be engaged in this process.
As traders we are extremely reliant on getting the market picture with as little lag possible - - the new Government policies are going to cripple internet speeds and may even completely break the internet.
"Only one of the filters tested resulted in an acceptable speed reduction of 2 per cent or less. The others caused drops in speed between 21 per cent and 86 per cent."
See http://www.watoday.com.au/technology/government-tried-to-gag-web-censor-critics-20081024-57pt.html for more.
I generally try to avoid politics, but it might be time to start writing letters to Senator Conroy?
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There seems to be very little awareness in the general community about what the Government is planning on doing with regard to filtering internet content at the ISP level. There has been a lot of discussion at Whirlpool, but it seems only the tech-savvy have been keeping an interest on developments; when so many more rely on the internet for their business so many more people should be engaged in this process.
As traders we are extremely reliant on getting the market picture with as little lag possible - - the new Government policies are going to cripple internet speeds and may even completely break the internet.
"Only one of the filters tested resulted in an acceptable speed reduction of 2 per cent or less. The others caused drops in speed between 21 per cent and 86 per cent."
See http://www.watoday.com.au/technology/government-tried-to-gag-web-censor-critics-20081024-57pt.html for more.
I generally try to avoid politics, but it might be time to start writing letters to Senator Conroy?
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This is one of the most idiotic proposals/plans I've ever seen. As stated in the article, they won't be able to effectively filter or even monitor peer to peer traffic, which is where the most illegal content resides and is exchanged. If anything it will just drive more of that through that channel. Do these clowns have any clue what they are trying to control.
And it gets Worse!!
Now the Govt is trying to squash any dissent on this topic.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technolo...1224351430987.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
"The Federal Government is attempting to silence critics of its controversial plan to censor the internet, which experts say will break the internet while doing little to stop people from accessing illegal material such as child pornography.
Documents obtained by us show the office of the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, tried to bully ISP staff into suppressing their criticisms of the plan.
Senator Conroy has since last year's election victory remained tight-lipped on the specifics of his $44.2 million policy but, grilled by a Senate Estimates committee this week, he said the Government was looking at forcing ISPs to implement a two-tiered filtering system.
The first tier, which internet users would not be able to opt out of, would block all "illegal material". Senator Conroy has previously said Australians would be able to opt out of any filters to obtain "uncensored access to the internet".
The second tier, which is optional, would filter out content deemed inappropriate for children, such as pornography.
But neither filter tier will be capable of censoring content obtained over peer-to-peer file sharing networks, which account for an estimated 60 per cent of internet traffic.
Colin Jacobs, chair of the online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia said: "I'm not exaggerating when I say that this model involves more technical interference in the internet infrastructure than what is attempted in Iran, one of the most repressive and regressive censorship regimes in the world."
I think its time to start bombarding Senator Conroy with please explain letters, and demanding this ridiculous plan of his is immediately scrapped.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/contact
We are not quite Iran (but heading in that direction) yet Mr Conroy.
Now the Govt is trying to squash any dissent on this topic.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technolo...1224351430987.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
"The Federal Government is attempting to silence critics of its controversial plan to censor the internet, which experts say will break the internet while doing little to stop people from accessing illegal material such as child pornography.
Documents obtained by us show the office of the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, tried to bully ISP staff into suppressing their criticisms of the plan.
Senator Conroy has since last year's election victory remained tight-lipped on the specifics of his $44.2 million policy but, grilled by a Senate Estimates committee this week, he said the Government was looking at forcing ISPs to implement a two-tiered filtering system.
The first tier, which internet users would not be able to opt out of, would block all "illegal material". Senator Conroy has previously said Australians would be able to opt out of any filters to obtain "uncensored access to the internet".
The second tier, which is optional, would filter out content deemed inappropriate for children, such as pornography.
But neither filter tier will be capable of censoring content obtained over peer-to-peer file sharing networks, which account for an estimated 60 per cent of internet traffic.
Colin Jacobs, chair of the online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia said: "I'm not exaggerating when I say that this model involves more technical interference in the internet infrastructure than what is attempted in Iran, one of the most repressive and regressive censorship regimes in the world."
I think its time to start bombarding Senator Conroy with please explain letters, and demanding this ridiculous plan of his is immediately scrapped.
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/contact
We are not quite Iran (but heading in that direction) yet Mr Conroy.
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NOW YOUTUBE IS DECIDING WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT WATCH!!
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Re: Internet Filtering; Where are the Lefties?
Where are all of our resident cut and paste Lefties on this thread? 20/20, Green, Doris et. al.
Elsewhere we can find reams on the Archangel Obama and the Adoration of the Blessed Kev, while Sarah Palin (the current anti-Christ) is the subject of a wild-eyed, slavering, cut and paste frenzy.
Hey guys, what's your opinion on control of the Internet by the nanny-state gummint?
Where are all of our resident cut and paste Lefties on this thread? 20/20, Green, Doris et. al.
Elsewhere we can find reams on the Archangel Obama and the Adoration of the Blessed Kev, while Sarah Palin (the current anti-Christ) is the subject of a wild-eyed, slavering, cut and paste frenzy.
Hey guys, what's your opinion on control of the Internet by the nanny-state gummint?
Net filters may block pr0n and gambling sites
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technolo...0n-casino-sites/2008/10/27/1224955916155.html
"Family First Senator Steve Fielding wants hardcore pornography and fetish material blocked under the Government's plans to filter the internet, sparking renewed fears the censorship could be expanded well beyond "illegal material".
You can guarantee the Govt will move to block other material if this bill is passed.
"The Opposition said it would most likely block any attempts to introduce the controversial mandatory ISP filtering policy, so the Government would need the support of Senator Fielding as well as the Greens and Senator Nick Xenophon to pass the legislation.
Industry sources said Senator Fielding's sentiments validated ISPs' concerns that the categories of blocked content could be broadened significantly at the whim of the Government, which is under pressure to appease vocal minorities."
Here we go again,, the Govt panding to the vocal minorities. Makes me bloody sick
"In a Senate Estimates hearing last week, the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, confirmed that his proposal would force ISPs to implement a two-tiered filtering system.
The proposed censorship is more advanced than that in any liberal democracy and would put Australia on a par with oppressive regimes such as Iran, the internet industry says."
"The Government's own laboratory trials have found that presently available filters are not capable of distinguishing adequately between legal and illegal content and can degrade internet speeds by up to 86 per cent.
Despite this, and significant opposition from ISPs, the Government will soon seek expressions of interest from telcos seeking to be part of a live trial of the filters."
The telcos should show some moral courage and refuse to participate is such a ill founded plan. Although telstra will probably have no choice with the Govt being a majority share holder..
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technolo...0n-casino-sites/2008/10/27/1224955916155.html
"Family First Senator Steve Fielding wants hardcore pornography and fetish material blocked under the Government's plans to filter the internet, sparking renewed fears the censorship could be expanded well beyond "illegal material".
You can guarantee the Govt will move to block other material if this bill is passed.
"The Opposition said it would most likely block any attempts to introduce the controversial mandatory ISP filtering policy, so the Government would need the support of Senator Fielding as well as the Greens and Senator Nick Xenophon to pass the legislation.
Industry sources said Senator Fielding's sentiments validated ISPs' concerns that the categories of blocked content could be broadened significantly at the whim of the Government, which is under pressure to appease vocal minorities."
Here we go again,, the Govt panding to the vocal minorities. Makes me bloody sick
"In a Senate Estimates hearing last week, the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, confirmed that his proposal would force ISPs to implement a two-tiered filtering system.
The proposed censorship is more advanced than that in any liberal democracy and would put Australia on a par with oppressive regimes such as Iran, the internet industry says."
"The Government's own laboratory trials have found that presently available filters are not capable of distinguishing adequately between legal and illegal content and can degrade internet speeds by up to 86 per cent.
Despite this, and significant opposition from ISPs, the Government will soon seek expressions of interest from telcos seeking to be part of a live trial of the filters."
The telcos should show some moral courage and refuse to participate is such a ill founded plan. Although telstra will probably have no choice with the Govt being a majority share holder..
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Don't forget that the government did censor a national radio program (forced it off air) and also imposed a form of phone censorship in order to get Brian Harradine's support for the Telstra sell off.
The precedent for blocking things that aren't illegal in order to gain the support of minority groups is certainly there.
The precedent for blocking things that aren't illegal in order to gain the support of minority groups is certainly there.
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Which programme was that, Smurf? They're currently suggesting The Religion Report (and others) will be removed. Could be Senator Fielding doesn't approve of some of the content in that one.
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I don't recall the exact name but it was a talk-back program on commercial radio dealing with the subject of sex. It went to air in most (all?) states late at night.
Also as part of that was the banning of 0055 adult phone services. That was worked around by simply changing the phone numbers to 1900 etc however.
All that just to please one senator. It's hard to believe we'll never see anything like that again - there's always a minority somewhere that would like to keep some sort of information under wraps. All sorts of similar deals are quite possible under the right circumstances.
Re: Internet Filtering; Where are the Lefties?
I would also be very interested in the views of ASF's vocal Labor party supporters on this issue as well.
Anyone?
Where are all of our resident cut and paste Lefties on this thread? 20/20, Green, Doris et. al.
Elsewhere we can find reams on the Archangel Obama and the Adoration of the Blessed Kev, while Sarah Palin (the current anti-Christ) is the subject of a wild-eyed, slavering, cut and paste frenzy.
Hey guys, what's your opinion on control of the Internet by the nanny-state gummint?
I would also be very interested in the views of ASF's vocal Labor party supporters on this issue as well.
Anyone?
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Re: Internet Filtering; Where are the Lefties?
But you won't find me backing Labor over their censorship plans. Just like I didn't like the Liberals for doing the same with radio. So it's a case of trying to pick the best of a rather rotten bunch on this one. Greens?
Well I ain't no strong Liberal supporter. All they do at the state level is run up debt and spread general doom and gloom and for that reason alone I've long hated the party and the mess they're so good at creating.
But you won't find me backing Labor over their censorship plans. Just like I didn't like the Liberals for doing the same with radio. So it's a case of trying to pick the best of a rather rotten bunch on this one. Greens?
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Some non-internet censorship related coverage of the issue. It seems the young need a lot more access to information, not less.HAHAHA funny ,wouldnt really be a forum discussion without a negative view now would it
Funny thing is i bet your all pr0n addicts and you just dont wanna lose your addictions
lalalalalalalalalalaalaalaalalalala
http://northerntasmania.yourguide.c...rk-on-how-sexual-diseases-spread/1344681.aspx
Meanwhile, it seems that McDonalds has worked out how to provide it's own "clean" internet in its restaurants. So the technology to do it locally rather than for everyone would seem to be workable, thus making it perfectly viable to just give parents etc who want it the required software. http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24566301-15306,00.html
