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Wysiwyg said:
Yes this move can only result in less masturbation and hence more crime, anger, rage, frustration, lonliness, disappointment, sadness and psychosis..
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Actually the pr0n filter can be opted out of from what I have read.
 
theasxgorilla said:
I was in Berlin on the weekend...amazing history...awesome tour and tour guide. Saw the memorial to the Nazi book burning:

"Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen." ("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

Of course you don't need to burn books (information) to affect culture, you just need to stop people reading them.
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Hey Gorilla,

I LOVE Berlin. Its my fav city and have been there three times. Isnt the book burning hole in the ground in bibelplatz just beautiful? If you blink you miss it.
You didnt happen to have Brian of Berlin Walks tour, did you?

Brad
 
theasxgorilla said:
Actually the pr0n filter can be opted out of from what I have read.
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I thought it was the ISP's that could opt out of it not the individuals. This is because the filter is ISP based. So as we all know Telstra will have the filter (and probably charge you for doing so, without telling you) so if you want to access one of the banned sites then go to a different provider that doesn’t have the filter. Although I can’t see the point in accessing the banned sites, they are banned for a reason yeah?

Please feel free to correct me if my information is wrong...

:bier:

blue
 
Wysiwyg said:
Yes this move can only result in less masturbation and hence more crime, anger, rage, frustration, lonliness, disappointment, sadness and psychosis..
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Its not what they are trying to bloxk that angers me, it is simply the fact they are trying to block it. Communism here we come. Comrade Kevin must know best and we must all follow his lead

theasxgorilla said:
I was in Berlin on the weekend...amazing history...awesome tour and tour guide. Saw the memorial to the Nazi book burning:

"Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen." ("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

Of course you don't need to burn books (information) to affect culture, you just need to stop people reading them.
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Good story for the new forum there G. Check my sig :)
 
bluelabel said:
I thought it was the ISP's that could opt out of it not the individuals. This is because the filter is ISP based. So as we all know Telstra will have the filter (and probably charge you for doing so, without telling you) so if you want to access one of the banned sites then go to a different provider that doesn’t have the filter. Although I can’t see the point in accessing the banned sites, they are banned for a reason yeah?

Please feel free to correct me if my information is wrong...

:bier:

blue
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This is what I read:

"In October, however, it came to light that those claims were only partially true. It turns out that there were actually two blacklists””one that filters what the Australian government deems illegal, and one that acts as an "additional material" blacklist that targets content inappropriate for children. Users in the tests could only opt out of the "additional material" blacklist; the original blacklist for vaguely-defined "illegal" content would be required for all users. When this news came out, a spokesperson for the Australian Communications Minister confirmed that the filters would be required for all Australian citizens."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081111-isps-talk-back-about-australias-non-optional-filtering-planaustralian-isps-pan-government-mandated-net-filtering-plan.html
 
prawn_86 said:
Its not what they are trying to bloxk that angers me, it is simply the fact they are trying to block it. Communism here we come. Comrade Kevin must know best and we must all follow his lead
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I guess all the pawn sites will simply change their spelling a tad. Lemme see,

Hott Secs Moofies
Hawt Secks Moovees
Hawnee Baybs
Horknee Baibz
Spunnkee Hunnx
Sparnkey Huncks

U gett th piksha?
Yoo git tha pixsher?

Wonder how the GuvMint nerds will filter THAT in the search terms! :eek:
 
I heard an IT expert being interviewed about this on the radio yesterday.
He said the technology simply doesn't exist to filter out just pr0n and other stuff the government deems undesirable.

He gave the example that a site on breast cancer could become unavailable because of the filter.

I don't know whether this is right but he seemed very sure of what he was saying. He also said that anyone even slightly tech savvy would have no trouble getting around any filter the govt might apply.

It may be that when they carry out the trial which is supposed to start pre-Christmas, they will find so many problems and such a slowing of internet speeds that they will abandon it. They might consider this a way of saving face, e.g. "we will continue working on developing a side-effect free filter" etc, rather than saying they are bowing to public pressure. That would give them an out if what is going on is a deal with Fielding.
 
In the email i sent yesterday i also include the opposition IT minister, Nick Minchin.

I actually got a response today from the libs so thats in under 24hrs! Probably a generic template, but at least they responded. Im impressed :eek:

Response as follows:

SENATOR THE HON NICK MINCHIN
Shadow Minister for Broadband, Communications
and the Digital Economy
Leader of the Opposition in the Senate

Dear Mr Prawn

Thank you for your email in which you express your views in relation to the
Federal Government’s plans to introduce a mandatory internet filtering
system in this country.

There are many concerns in the community both about the effect of this
measure on system performance and the manner in which a blanket arbitrary
determination about web content will be imposed by the Government.
Internet Service Providers are also understandably concerned about the
impact that Labor's scheme will have on business.

The Coalition fully supports guarding our children from being exposed to
inappropriate internet content, and is of the firm belief that parental and adult
supervision and guidance should be front and centre of all efforts. In
Government we introduced the NetAlert initiative to enable parents to protect
their children free of charge.

We also believe that in relation to criminal conduct online, our nation’s law
enforcement bodies should be adequately resourced to monitor and
investigate unlawful activity.

On 28 July, the Government announced it was seeking expressions of interest
for participants in a live pilot trial for its filtering concept after conducting
limited laboratory tests.

The Coalition will monitor the progress of this trial with great interest and
make a considered assessment based on its outcomes. This will include
analysis of the specifications and performance of the filtering methods tested.
I have indicated publicly that the Coalition has serious reservations about
Labor’s scheme, and that we will take some convincing before we could
support it.

Thank you again for taking the time to express your views on this issue,
which will be taken into account when the Coalition makes its final
assessment of the Government’s plan.

Yours sincerely
NICK MINCHIN
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Prawn, I'd say ten out of ten to the Libs for responding, and so quickly.
Actually, the fact that it's fairly clearly a multi-sent reply is an indication of the volume of complaints they have received.

I would believe what Minchin's office says. The Libs are much more for individual freedoms and don't philosophically go for the Nanny State crap that Labor seems to feel is their role in life.

What I don't know and would really like to know is this:
Can Labor just introduce this filter, or does it have to be legislated and are they therefore dependent on either the Libs or all the minor parties to play ball in the senate to support it?

I sent my copy of my email to Conroy to my local Coalition member who happens to be Warren Truss, Nationals leader. No reply. Unsurprising I guess. Nick Minchin is one of the Libs brighter assets.
Goodonya Prawn.

Mr Prawn does sound a bit funny though!:D
 
Julia said:
What I don't know and would really like to know is this:
Can Labor just introduce this filter, or does it have to be legislated and are they therefore dependent on either the Libs or all the minor parties to play ball in the senate to support it?
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From what I understand Julia it will have to legislated and therefore will have to pass the Senate. Hopefully the Senate will reject it outright and we can all sleep a little better knowing our political system has checks and balances. God help us if it does pass though, there will be some angst on the streets than. I for I can't see the liberals passing this.
 
kitehigh said:
From what I understand Julia it will have to legislated and therefore will have to pass the Senate. Hopefully the Senate will reject it outright and we can all sleep a little better knowing our political system has checks and balances. God help us if it does pass though, there will be some angst on the streets than. I for I can't see the liberals passing this.
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Thanks, kitehigh. In that case maybe worthwhile to send lots of emails to the Libs, Nationals and the Greens. Probably can leave the good Senator Fielding off the list. He is turning out to be like that bloke in Tasman who finally retired, I think his name was Harradine.
 
The online world is simply too huge for selective banning. It is difficult to justify banning one site over another.

Also banning a site inadvertently increases its appeal as people are naturally curious and will be even more determined to seek out the content. Very soon, there will be mirror sites set up to cater to this group of audience.

Ultimately, people are the best judge of what is suitable or not suitable viewing.
 
Received the same response from Nick Minchin that you did, Prawn.
Less than 24 hours for the reply to come.
Good to see at least one politician is well organised.
 
Julia said:
Received the same response from Nick Minchin that you did, Prawn.
Less than 24 hours for the reply to come.
Good to see at least one politician is well organised.
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Yeh i think you are right in saying they have probably had a lot of complaints so have done up a standard response.

Better than what the ruling party has done (IE ignore any complaint from everyone)
 
prawn_86 said:
Better than what the ruling party has done (IE ignore any complaint from everyone)
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Apologies for being off topic, but I did get a reply from Wayne Swan's office today for an email I sent last week suggesting he learn how to pronounce 'deteriorate' ,i.e. he consistently says 'deteriate'.

A secretary thanked me for my message and assured me it will be passed on to Mr Swan for his consideration.
Wouldn't it be funny if he actually started to pronounce the word correctly!

One of the best things about GWB leaving the world stage is that we will no longer have to listen to him mispronounce 'nuclear'.
 
Julia said:
Apologies for being off topic, but I did get a reply from Wayne Swan's office today for an email I sent last week suggesting he learn how to pronounce 'deteriorate' ,i.e. he consistently says 'deteriate'.

A secretary thanked me for my message and assured me it will be passed on to Mr Swan for his consideration.
Wouldn't it be funny if he actually started to pronounce the word correctly!

One of the best things about GWB leaving the world stage is that we will no longer have to listen to him mispronounce 'nuclear'.
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H-eye Jooleeah,

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Itz obveeusly bean brawt 2 hour leedas attenshun thatt th intanett iz ar derti-derti plaice an wee reely kneed thiss 2 protekt awl hour mindz.

Chizz.

ayjay

;)
 

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