PZ99
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Nothing wrong with what you're saying but no part of that video convinced me the guy was being harassed simply because he was black.
Nothing wrong with what you're saying but no part of that video convinced me the guy was being harassed simply because he was black.That's exactly right. We do not have ID's in Australia, that idea got thrown out decades ago. My wife has never had a license and apart from her passport she has no other ID and she never carries her passport and even that "does not show where you live" like that Officer was demanding.
In all my years from birth until now I have never ever been asked for my ID, other than for when I was driving a car. Harassing someone for picking up trash outside the place where they live is nothing but police harassment. That video shown was from the Officers on body cam. He got stood down with pay and then he left his job. Apparently he broke 2 codes of conduct "no probable cause and he had no right to ask for the guys age" so they said. Is USA really the land of the free? I think not.....
No one said you have to carry ID. You still have to provide your details on request from a police officer.
Well put it this way. If you had been walking outside anywhere during the lockdown you would've been asked to identify yourselfPoint taken but ultimately all you're doing in giving ID is making a statement. It's an offence to provide inaccurate information but there's no requirement to be carrying any official proof except under very specific circumstances.
In my life thus far, the only times I've been asked for ID are in circumstances where the reason seemed entirely legitimate: Entering a country, checking in to fly or board a ship or long distance train, entering nightclubs etc, to an employer, to a bank, police, post office, government authority etc in dealings initiated by me, checking into hotels, etc.
If anyone, uniformed police included, were to just randomly stop me in the street and ask who I am without there being some apparent circumstance that would justify needing to know then I'd be immediately suspicious as to both their legitimacy and as to my own safety being in that location. It's not at all common, at least not anywhere I've ever been, indeed I've never had it happen.
Simply asking people who they are is pointless unless they're checking that against some database or are looking for a specific answer which triggers some sort of response. Just knowing that I'm Joe Bloggs isn't much use in itself.
Around here at least no such thing occurred and for the record yes I walk down the street most days. Not once did anyone ask me who I was, and I wouldn't expect them to given there's no law precluding walking on a footpath so long as social distancing is maintained.If you had been walking outside anywhere during the lockdown you would've been asked to identify yourself
I take that as a bullish sign for the stock market too.Anyway getting back on the topic @frugal.rock had started, looks like our A$ is gaining ground against the US$
Others may vary but where I've worked, gender simply hasn't been an input to the process of determining what someone gets paid. Zero difference male versus female doing the same work.With regards to off-topic gender pay differences, let me just say it used to be the case years ago, but women have fought hard for their rights and these days it's pretty par for most professions.
It's definitely a power trip. No argument there. Where I live it's the lesser of two evilsAround here at least no such thing occurred and for the record yes I walk down the street most days. Not once did anyone ask me who I was, and I wouldn't expect them to given there's no law precluding walking on a footpath so long as social distancing is maintained.
If that sort of thing is going on in the US then the chaos is starting to make more sense since randomly asking people who they are isn't going to fix any actual problem but it's a sure way to stir people up if it's being done routinely. It's an exercise of power and control for the sake of it and that tends to end badly.
No exactly right. I am an exercise walker and I walked everyday in different directions and locations, including malls, streets, post office, the park, on the main highway and not once was I asked or harassed by police for ID. It is not something Australian Police do. I just wasn't allowed to sit down anywhere or congregate but otherwise life was normal for me. They gave us much more leeway than what I could ever expect.Well put it this way. If you had been walking outside anywhere during the lockdown you would've been asked to identify yourself
Looking at that video ask yourself this question. If the older nice white guy employee at the end of the video was picking up the trash like the student was do you think the Police would even bother stopping and questioning him? I don't think so. As soon as he appeared at the end and vouched for the student everything was ok, no ID checks, no nothing. Why is it no ID checks were made on the older white guy but for the student the Officer had his hands on weapon ready to shoot him and had to call for back up?Nothing wrong with what you're saying but no part of that video convinced me the guy was being harassed simply because he was black.
The older white guy was called in to verify the student so it's fair to assume they already knew who he was. And he was far more cooperative than the student. The student was obstructionist and became aggressive. It's a massive red flag. I'm also curious why the issues of people hurling abuse at the police isn't condemned every time this debate is raised ?Looking at that video ask yourself this question. If the older nice white guy employee at the end of the video was picking up the trash like the student was do you think the Police would even bother stopping and questioning him? I don't think so. As soon as he appeared at the end and vouched for the student everything was ok, no ID checks, no nothing. Why is it no ID checks were made on the older white guy but for the student the Officer had his hands on weapon ready to shoot him and had to call for back up?
Others may vary but where I've worked, gender simply hasn't been an input to the process of determining what someone gets paid. Zero difference male versus female doing the same work.
At a guess though it probably does matter more in small business which in general wouldn't have the same level of formality around pay rates etc as big business or government tends to have.
In my industry it is the same, if you are a woman graduate in Engineering to improve gender diversity, companies will fight to get you, it is the male graduates having trouble getting jobs.I've been in small to medium-sized financial planning business for 15 years. I've never witnessed or known of any gender discrimination when it comes to pay. In fact, female advisers are in high demand and have significant bargaining power these days, I would say it's swung in the other direction.
From what I see it's the same in most industries.
Average pay across the board will always be imbalanced, there are biological differences between men and women. Women have babies, men do not, and this has an impact on career.
You did not pay attention to what went on.As much as I agree with you that police there are racists this video isn't a good example of it.
It was a random ID check which happens all the time where I live in Mt Druitt.
If you do not believe it, then you need to offer a justification for the officer's actions. Alternatively, find another case that is similar for a white person.@rederob
"had a white person been doing the same, the white officer would not have blinked."
I don't believe that in this case. Please provide unequivocal proof
Exactly, to name one major, the mining giant wants equality of gender in the workplace, which means as we have a higher proportion of site miners being male by far, it is very hard for a male to find employment in the brisbane head office which are favouring females by far..but hey on the company overall number they are bridging the gap...In my industry it is the same, if you are a woman graduate in Engineering to improve gender diversity, companies will fight to get you, it is the male graduates having trouble getting jobs.
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