I find it weird that the attorney would think there needs to be racial language, slurs or innuendo to mean race was a motivating factor.
You don't have to be blatantly calling some one a N****r to have actions that are motivated by race, thats what makes the problem so sinister, it is far more subconscious than that, that people don't even realise the race aspects are motivating their behaviour.
The simple fact is that studies have shown that the Darker the skin, the more likely people (including police) are to think that a persons actions are threatening, aggressive and dangerous.
Police need to be trained to over come these bias if we have any hope to stop what is happening.
That is horrid. I do wonder how much of an influence of being afraid of the dark (night and not well lit places). I wonder what more subtle differences might reveal, like red heads and blonds. Grey hair vs dark hair.Check out this simple test, it has been repeated many times and sadly the results are always similar, Some how as a society we have negative bias to black people and positive bias to whites.
The heart breaking part is that even by the age of 5 little black children already have picked up these bias against them selves.
Sadly - it's this way of thinking that makes the problem worse and harder to solve.I find it weird that the attorney would think there needs to be racial language, slurs or innuendo to mean race was a motivating factor.
You don't have to be blatantly calling some one a N****r to have actions that are motivated by race, thats what makes the problem so sinister, it is far more subconscious than that, that people don't even realise the race aspects are motivating their behaviour.
The simple fact is that studies have shown that the Darker the skin, the more likely people (including police) are to think that a persons actions are threatening, aggressive and dangerous.
Police need to be trained to over come these bias if we have any hope to stop what is happening.
Gotta admit it was a decent decking
No argument there. I just hope he gets done for just that and not the other stuff as discussed.Regardless of whether the teen was indigenous or not, the cop did use too much unnecessary force, you said it yourself PZ99:
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down Indigenous teen during arrest"
Why did they say he was Indigenous? Why didn't they just say:
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down teen during arrest" ????
Fully agree but using indigenous in the headline is irrelevant and mass brain washingIn that particular case I did not notice the kid was Aboriginal. My wife and I watched it together and we both had the same reaction, the Officer used excessive force for no reason at all. It was reported that the kid was foul mouthing the officer, does that require aggressively walking over to a teenager and deliberately kicking his feet out from under him and making him fall flat on his face sustaining injuries and hospital admittance? Both my wife and I said no way. People have called me a f****ng idiot and much more all my life but I don't around assaulting them for it and putting them in hospital. They are doing the right thing by standing down the Officer pending an internal investigation. But the boys club will let him off without consequences, wait and see.
Sadly - it's this way of thinking that makes the problem worse and harder to solve.
Cop arrests someone with dark skin - therefore cop is racist. It's that faulty logic driven by reverse subconscious racial bias from the masses who are brainwashed by propaganda from activists and the biased media outlets who want more bang for their buck.
Have a look at the ABC headline in post #170
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down Indigenous teen during arrest"
Why did they say he was Indigenous? Why didn't they just say:
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down teen during arrest" ????
Because the story wouldn't have been worth reporting. They want you to focus on the fact he was Indigenous, or Aboriginal, or dark skinned, or different.
And therefore that cop will now be looked upon as some racist pig. Faulty logic. And that's why these violent reactions will never end. People are far too easily brainwashed. And it's getting worse.
Ignore it at your peril
You joking mate ? What is all the protesting about then ? Bad weather ?No one is saying the cops were racist for arresting George Floyd.
Maybe they are but you can't overlay that on every single case. Attempting to do so reveals a bias in itself - hence the debate in this thread about that video. Bias or prejudism distorts the outcome of any trial and makes the problem worse.Do a bit of research mate, you will see study after study that under the exact same conditions research groups are more likely to pull the trigger on a black guy, more likely to convict a black guy, and more likely to give harsher sentence.
You have made "excuses" for racism into an artform.Sadly - it's this way of thinking that makes the problem worse and harder to solve.
Cop arrests someone with dark skin - therefore cop is racist. It's that faulty logic driven by reverse subconscious racial bias from the masses who are brainwashed by propaganda from activists and the biased media outlets who want more bang for their buck.
Have a look at the ABC headline in post #170
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down Indigenous teen during arrest"
Why did they say he was Indigenous? Why didn't they just say:
"NSW Police investigate officer filmed kicking, pinning down teen during arrest" ????
Because the story wouldn't have been worth reporting. They want you to focus on the fact he was Indigenous, or Aboriginal, or dark skinned, or different.
And therefore that cop will now be looked upon as some racist pig. Faulty logic. And that's why these violent reactions will never end. People are far too easily brainwashed. And it's getting worse.
Ignore it at your peril
He was arrested for alleged fraud - uttering a $20 note to be precise.You joking mate ? What is all the protesting about then ? Bad weather ?
It is abundantly clear that you do not use data, logic or social science to guide your thinking.I don't care about research group studies... research groups are frequently motivated or sponsored by third parties with ulterior motives.
Better take that one up with VC mate...He was arrested for alleged fraud - uttering a $20 note to be precise.
He was then murdered in front of our eyes.
And you think that was for a dodgy $20 note...really?
It is abundantly clear that it is actually you that didn't use logic to guide your thinking exemplified by stating your totally erroneous view that racism confined to words is accepted by me as proof.You have made "excuses" for racism into an artform.
Blacks/aboriginals get profiled - it's a fact of social science!
What you cannot explain, and have not been able to via reasoning skills, is what leads to the police acting unlawfully as they do from the outset. These are people who are supposed to be trained to uphold the law, but instead are choosing to use their badges to do the very opposite.
They have a mentality that people of colour are lesser humans, so kicking, choking or shooting them to death becomes acceptable behaviour in the USA. While in Australia it's more subtle, as we see through the number of deaths in custody.
In your mind it seems people are only racists if they use words to announce their intent, as that's the proof you accept.
In real life the proof plays out every day to people of colour, especially in the USA.
It's now 8 days on and people in the USA are still taking to the streets in tens of thousands to protest the injustice of George Floyd's murder. And despite what we all saw, of the 4 police officers involved, 3 remain to be charged.
I was trained in logic so I don't need to argue the toss on that score with you.It is abundantly clear that it is actually you that didn't use logic to guide your thinking exemplified by stating your totally erroneous view that racism confined to words is accepted by me as proof.
I've noticed with the vast majority of your replies on this subject you spend the first half of your post creating some invention about what I said or think and then spend the second half discrediting your own invention because I hadn't said what you frequently accuse me of saying or thinking.
You also habitually ignore the independent review of the police investigation finding there was no racism.
Until you get your head around that mate, you're merely wasting your time and mine.
I suggest you get retrained then because your logic is faulty. Does it come with a warranty?I was trained in logic so I don't need to argue the toss on that score with you.
We have been over the other matter, and your claim about the independent review is plain and simple false, as per the attribution I quoted from that very review.
Until you can explain what prompts police officers to act unlawfully against people of colour more often than it would occur for whites you remain a sad apologist for unacceptable behaviours.
You joking mate ? What is all the protesting about then ? Bad weather ?
Maybe they are but you can't overlay that on every single case. Attempting to do so reveals a bias in itself - hence the debate in this thread about that video. Bias or prejudism distorts the outcome of any trial and makes the problem worse.
I don't care about research group studies... research groups are frequently motivated or sponsored by third parties with ulterior motives.
Better take that one up with VC mate...
He says no one is saying the cops were racist for arresting George Floyd.
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The protesting is about the cops Murdering a guy after he was arrested.
If the cops hadn’t killed him and instead treated him with basic human respect there would be no protest.
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you know I really think you are not seeing things clearly, if you can’t see what the cops did wrong on this arrest and so many others.
there is clearly racial bias in society, but it could be overcome with proper training, ignoring it does nothing
you should be arrested for a $20 counterfeit notes, no body disagrees with that.
But you shouldn’t be choked to death.
I really don’t understand why you can’t see that.
I seriously doubt they would have treated a white dude in that way, the thing is without even realizing it there prejudices lead them to over react to the situation.
they felt he was a threat even after he had died, and continued pressing on his neck.
how do you feel about the situation?
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