Glen48
Money can't buy Poverty
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And I'm sure there are people who are up on the long side of shares as well, but by and large property investors will be down, and cherry picking particularly good suburbs on 3 month old data before the slow down, probably doesn't do your credibility any good.
As for the GHPC comment, it indicates you think of it as a marginalised view, who are coming to proseletyze here. Perhaps the reality is, that they simply could see what was happening earlier than anyone else, and the views are becoming mainstream, as people stop denying reality.
For the disclosure laws, I am a member of GHPC as well (as well as some very bullish property investment forums).
Fair enough, my only point is that if your capital base is shrinking, it's well....shrinking. There's no doubt you bought at the right time. Your numbers look very impressive.
Buffet is down 30% for the year, I read somewhere. The only people who have made money this year have either been short or in cash.
I think the importance of the supply issue is overblown. The major factor is always availability of credit. Potential buyers can only pay with available funds no matter how much they would like to borrow. If I see banks moving back to zero deposit/equity loans then I'll believe the property market is going to move up again. Only because that is where we've just been, so it stands to reason that for property to even stay at par level, credit availability has to stay at or above that peak. P/e's ratios may be good for you given your buy-in point, but for new investors they don't look very attractive. I live in one of the most tightly held areas in Melbourne (Middle Park) and I've never seen so many properties passed in. This time last year everything that went up was sold, everything.[/quote
Valid points albeit some are extreme. Everything has an intrinsic replacement value,Land + developement+ improvements. There are areas where excellent value can be found. As for your properties being handed in --- many who are seeing interest rates plummet and pressure coming off are now and in the future in the position NOT to sell if they don't wish to. Put that into your future equations.
For those who think Australia won't have double digit unemployment and huge government deficits, followed by rising taxes, you're kidding yourselves. Last time I checked over 2/3 of our economy was in the services sector. This will be hit very hard by a reduction in consumer spending. Just wait for the dark news that's going to follow this coming xmas period, even with the one-off Rudd hand outs to pensioners etc, which is the only thing that will stop a quarter of negative growth anyway. Add to that a depressed commodities sector, problems in the agri sector and it's not looking like a soft landing.
Very possibly.But there are many very cashed up 30-65 yr olds who will hoard their hard earned,I'm one,we will also release it when opportunity arises.
I mean, why on earth would anyone think Australia is well placed to survive this global downturn? The government reviews it's outlook every month. Massive rate cuts, stimulus packages? These are emergency measures, not something an economy that is "well placed" needs to do.
You bet they are. To not would be irresponsible.Its quite possible they will over react!
Being as we are, a satellite to China's economy, I'm even more concerned. They're doing so well they have just unveiled a $500bn+ stimulus package. Tell me that isn't the writing on the wall.
China firstly isn't insolvent.2ndly it has this massive population which is moving very quickly toward westernisation. They love the wealth it creates.
They are willing to encourage that.Not to mention India. I'm certain we will get a bigger share of the pie than most.
The problem for housing is that peak credit for the baby boomers has been reached. The next driver for credit growth is where? The subsequent smaller generations of Australians who are going to have to pay higher taxes to support retiring baby boomers?
I think the aim is and should be sustained growth.Outlier moves like that which we have seen will return but not for many years. Eventually wages and affordability will return to a more realistic par.We wont see 30 or even 15% / year on a sustained basis for many years, but those who do selectively invest in property can do very well long term.
hello,
you think a newer graph would be out nun, doesnt do much for credibility
hello,
you think a newer graph would be out nun, doesnt do much for credibility
thankyou
robots
Japan was the biggest housing asset bubble on record. As we exceeded it in 2005, I don't think there is any value in a newer graph. What will it show? Currently we are in uncharted territory. No body has ever had a housing bubble as big as current.
Hi,
Just for the record I do consider that stocks are and always will be the best long term investment, but saying that I do own my own home which I don’t consider an investment but a lifestyle choice.
Some tables of interest.
From a different forum.....
The crash is here!
http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=5312
The adjusted clearance rate for Brisbane last week was 17%. That is unbelievably low, no wonder the press hasnt mentioned real estate all week. Sydney today had a clearance rate of 41%, with 100 'unreporteds' so expect that to be adjusted to high 30% later. Great stuff
Which property bull wants to be the first to admit they are beaten?
hello,
i have been smacked down, beaten to a pulp, i admit it, i am a mess, confused, embarrassed and in total shock
cant believe it, struggling for words, gobsmacked, anyone know if a salvation army in St Kilda for assistance?
thankyou
robots
anyone know if a salvation army in St Kilda for assistance?
There was last week . .
. . However administrators were appointed on Thursday.
hello,
thanks sbh,
as mentioned previously i wouldn't have a clue and am in for the long haul
5, 10, 15, 25yrs will be gone soon and hopefully i and others doing the rent&invest technique all have a stash to enjoy
Australia is the best joint in the world hands down and I am just on the ride of life
thankyou
robots
I agree Robots, no matter what you've always got a door and a key to put in it, unlike some shares that just disappear.
We are in the best country in the world, if you want to know how lucky we are just look at the world news sometimes.
Enjoy..........and be grateful.
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