Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[luutzu]

Yeah they could catch a boat to USA

Those who could afford a ticket would have been on a boat out; those who stay are too poor or have too much to gain and have a boat waiting for them if it all goes to heck.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing the English or any people's bravery or otherwise. Just saying that we can't judge people as either brave or cowardly if they do one thing rather than another during war time. We, at least me anyway, can't imagine what it'd be like.

They weren't leaving because of war, they left because of hunger, and traditionally (like the Scots) Celts are historically a wandering race who like to think they have a monopoly on the spiritual and drink. 1919 for formal independence...... still a pagan 3rd world country within a sea of industrial might.

War causes, among other things, famine too.
If the chess game in Syria and the ME are ones where the masses could just go about their normal daily lives and come home in one piece; or have a home to come back to and water and power to drink and cook a meal... most wouldn't have left either.

London is only now reaching the level of population when the Blitz was on (8.6 m) ... that's a lot of country estates and bunkers that never existed to fulfill your argument luutzu.

What? I thought shelters were also the tunnels and London's Tube too.
No need to be heroic and stand your ground when bombers are shooting and bombing overhead.

Revisionist historians, everyone knows the poms were incapable of retreat back in those days; their dna was 500 years of conquering and fighting the good fights.Anything that kills, kills doesn't matter the means and London was a tinderbox of wood floors and timber trusses.

Don't think that DNA only exists in English blood though. All race and culture could point to certain time in their "glorious" history when they butchered and colonised other races and countries. Some more than most of course.

The path was that the UK didn't allow it's rule of law be easily given away to vandals of civilisation and they were prepared to be stubborn in the face of an oppressive enemy.

That may be true. But the Yanks were already drawing up plans for a world where Nazi Germany rule the entirety of Europe and they themselves will have to be satisfy with the Western Hemisphere.

Nazi Germany was one group of barbarians, the other was Stalin's Soviet Union. I guess high standard of human rights and freedom and stuff didn't matter all that much then?

The burden, post war, on us dinky di Aussies having to accommodate the whinging Poms has taken its toll, but we soldier on regardless.

One ought not to speak of one's masters that way

 

[luutzu]

you make you choice fight with IS or any of the glorious freedom fighters supported by the west and its "allies" or you fight with Assad";
in which case your family is in Damascus and you are fighting to protect them and some basic freedom, maybe not democracy but more or less freedom otherwise.
In any case, if you have only so much of pride and courage..as a male between 18 and 40 you are fighting in Syria.
or are these traits linked only to the depraved western culture?
anyway

War is not glorious or bravery. That kind of talk are all propaganda. And maybe it show the measure of a person to not buy into that kind of nonsense. Any idiot can pick up a gun and go shoot at something.

Maybe it takes more courage to know that the world expects you to be "manly" and go kill somebody and shoot something; but you instead take on the burden of that shame so that you could stay alive to provide safety and food to your family. Maybe it is brave to know that a "real man" do not beg, but you do it, that you would throw all you know and leave all the people you grew up with and go to a foreign land, work at whatever job you can find so that your children will have a brighter future.

I don't know about you, but I admire such people more than these empty talks of bravery and courage by killing people or be kill yourself.

Takes more kahuny to burden what others call weak and shameful so that your family can be safe than it is to talk big and act brave and wanting to "wipe" cities and countries off the map just to show how courageous you are and should be elected president or warmongers in chief.

 

[qldfrog]

"War is not glorious or bravery."
Definitively not, it is horror

"Any idiot can pick up a gun and go shoot at something."

but most idiots run away when they realise what war is.

"I don't know about you, but I admire such people more than these empty talks of bravery and courage by killing people or be kill yourself."

I am sad to read this Luutzu, even if not born here, I would fight for the right to live in Australia and protect my family /home here, and yes die for it.
If you can not understand this, you are just a floating self, ready to move on and parasite any place where the grass will be greener. So what if the taxes increases, the RE is too high or low, you move to NZ, US or wherever?

Your family can not be safe if you flee, the Jews leant it in a terrible way in WWII,
it seems the lessons have not been learnt by many when facing the new plague

if you are Syrian and flee, what about uyour uncle, your grandmother, the old aunt?And what about the land, you do not have any attachment to your land?
You do not give a **** because you, and MAYBE your wife and kids are OK?

When a war is over and you have lost, then it is useless to go to slaughter for the sake of it, but right now, the future of Syria/Irak are in the hands of its people (yea yea we can talk about bad evil US etc)
but overall : the choice is theirs and sorry to offend you there, but this is treason to run when you have the choice to fight for the right (in your eyes) cause.
IS would not be where it is now with a bit more spine from the local inhabitants.
Anyway, happy not to have to fight by your side (and happy not to have to fight at all indeed)

 

[basilio]

Qld Frog I think that is a pretty mean post you have made attacking Luutzu thoughts on war and family.

The fighting in Syria is very complex. Who is killing who and for what purpose isn't easily answered.

But the devastation that is being caused to millions of people and their communities are the results and the facts on the ground.

Trying to create something better for your family elsewhere instead of being bombed or starved to death is having a go.

 

[basilio]

xxx

 

[luutzu]

"War is not glorious or bravery."
Definitively not, it is horror

"Any idiot can pick up a gun and go shoot at something."

but most idiots run away when they realise what war is.

"I don't know about you, but I admire such people more than these empty talks of bravery and courage by killing people or be kill yourself."

I am sad to read this Luutzu, even if not born here, I would fight for the right to live in Australia and protect my family /home here, and yes die for it.
If you can not understand this, you are just a floating self, ready to move on and parasite any place where the grass will be greener. So what if the taxes increases, the RE is too high or low, you move to NZ, US or wherever?

Your family can not be safe if you flee, the Jews leant it in a terrible way in WWII,
it seems the lessons have not been learnt by many when facing the new plague

if you are Syrian and flee, what about uyour uncle, your grandmother, the old aunt?And what about the land, you do not have any attachment to your land?
You do not give a **** because you, and MAYBE your wife and kids are OK?

When a war is over and you have lost, then it is useless to go to slaughter for the sake of it, but right now, the future of Syria/Irak are in the hands of its people (yea yea we can talk about bad evil US etc)
but overall : the choice is theirs and sorry to offend you there, but this is treason to run when you have the choice to fight for the right (in your eyes) cause.
IS would not be where it is now with a bit more spine from the local inhabitants.
Anyway, happy not to have to fight by your side (and happy not to have to fight at all indeed)

Tell you what. When the barbarians are literally at the gates, I'll stand and fight.

Until that happen, all the Masters of War in Canberra and elsewhere can go themselves, or can send their own kids if they like, and fly overseas to fight for freedom and liberty and all that bull.

I'm not going to die, or raise my kids so they'd go and kill or get kill, just so some idiot with a Napoleonic complex decided some other kids half the world away is a "thread" to civilisation and world peace and should be blown to pieces. Then if my kids, and my neighbours kids die, those same idiots do their speeches and photo ops and look all sad and gloomy as they drove away under security details to a light lunch.

Maybe that's cowardly and I'm just a parasite. But ey, if people want to start a war, go fight it themselves. Don't send my kids to fight for their "courage" and freedom-loving talks.


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The Jewish people who stayed, or forced to return to Nazi Germany because other people in other countries don't care for Jews thought the Jews ought to return and fight the Nazi... well we all know what happen to most of those Jews don't we?

The Muslims, I would argue, are the Jews of today. Some who love Jewish people and cry over their murder now think nothing of sending another wave of refugees back to where they came from.

And a reality check for you. Do you know what was done after the mass murder of those Jewish people in all those concentration camps?

Their death were used by other religious nuts to justify the same murder and killings - but being done more slowly (because it'd be too messed up to do it in the same way as the Nazi did); and being done to another group of barbarians - the Palestinians.

Then on the death of those Jewish people, a handful of other Jewish people go to the Swiss banks and demand payment and compensation for stolen money that were in the accounts of those now dead Jewish people.

Yes, apparently people can all afford Swiss accounts and have billions in it, but they couldn't afford a ticket out of Nazi Germany.

Then guess what happen to those billions of dollars the Swiss banks cough up? Maybe 1% goes to the survivors, the rest goes to who the heck knows.

So yea, if people want to stand on others corpses to look all high and mighty, they better send their own children and not mine.

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Yea, Bush Jr. and Dick Cheney... were all safely at home while other Americans go to war. Then when they rule and can send other people's kids to war... yay... "bring it on"; "no WMD, opps" and a few billion ka-chings to them and their friends.

What did Abbott say when he heard of the death of an Australian soldier in Afganishtan? "Shiet happens doesn't it".

You want to die for these idiots' master plans, go right ahead.

 

[Tisme]

Tell you what. When the barbarians are literally at the gates, I'll stand and fight.

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I think they are are knocking on it as we argue the toss luutzu. I would suggest this is what qldfrog is trying to point out ... not us as the invaders, but the huge wave of primitive culture that is on the march.

Appeasement has has a long history of failure when it comes to barbarians at the gate.

We seem to be content to reinvent the Sack of Rome in our own western backyards.

 

[qldfrog]

Qld Frog I think that is a pretty mean post you have made attacking Luutzu thoughts on war and family.

The fighting in Syria is very complex. Who is killing who and for what purpose isn't easily answered.

But the devastation that is being caused to millions of people and their communities are the results and the facts on the ground.

Trying to create something better for your family elsewhere instead of being bombed or starved to death is having a go.

Apologies, this is a very sensitive subject, I have the feeling that a WWII event nowadays would result with a nazi victory with no fight and I personnally see the situation today as as bad.Please accept my apologies Luutzu for the personnal attack.I had to cool down a day before even coming back here.I will abstain to comment on these subject, my view is clear.I will stick to the economics/technical threads.there is no way i can even understand Luutzu nor can he understand me.

 

[basilio]

Apologies, this is a very sensitive subject, I have the feeling that a WWII event nowadays would result with a nazi victory with no fight and I personnally see the situation today as as bad.Please accept my apologies Luutzu for the personnal attack.I had to cool down a day before even coming back here.I will abstain to comment on these subject, my view is clear.I will stick to the economics/technical threads.there is no way i can even understand Luutzu nor can he understand me.

Thanks. Nice one Qld frog

Maybe it's worth seeing some different sides to a story. I was talking to some new acquaintances with quite different backgrounds recently and discovered some really startling new information on the Syrian war that had me rethinking furiously. Makes me very cautious about simple/simplistic answers.

Cheers

 

[wayneL]

My missus has just returned from a trip to Europe. The people she spoke to had two basic concerns.

1/ That their magnanimity had been abused.

2/ That they feared an exponential trend of ideology towards neo-naziism.

They felt for the people who wanted to come and be good productive citizens, but were alarmed at the number of villains that come as well. It is negatively impacting their lives, culture and feelings of safety, from BOTH aspects mentioned above.

As I see it there is only one way this will all finish and it's going to be very mucky.

 

[luutzu]

I think they are are knocking on it as we argue the toss luutzu. I would suggest this is what qldfrog is trying to point out ... not us as the invaders, but the huge wave of primitive culture that is on the march.

Appeasement has has a long history of failure when it comes to barbarians at the gate.

We seem to be content to reinvent the Sack of Rome in our own western backyards.

I thought invading armies would first flatten our cities and soften the landings before sending in the tanks and boots to shoot and round up the natives.

I wouldn't call a culture high and mighty if it kick those seeking refuge back to where they came from. If we do these kind of stuff, won't be needing them and their Islam to ruin the place. It's already been done for them.

 

[luutzu]

Apologies, this is a very sensitive subject, I have the feeling that a WWII event nowadays would result with a nazi victory with no fight and I personnally see the situation today as as bad.Please accept my apologies Luutzu for the personnal attack.I had to cool down a day before even coming back here.I will abstain to comment on these subject, my view is clear.I will stick to the economics/technical threads.there is no way i can even understand Luutzu nor can he understand me.

I didn't take it personally qldfrog. It's understandable given the terror attacks in Paris so no hard feelings.

There certainly are lessons to be drawn from WW2. Just some time, either through our own propagandas or mis-reading of history and current event, we drew the wrong conclusions and the wrong lessons from it.

The way I see it, the only lessons our political leaders tells us to learn about WW2 is that "we wouldn't let it happen again"... that we won't appease; that we will fight them there so another Hitler won't invade us here - so let's go kill all of them, just in case.

That's the wrong lesson. It's also misleading.

I'm sure I've said it before... Chamberlain and his gov't did not "appease" Hitler. They weren't just sitting there and watch Hitler do whatever he want because the British gov't want peace and not war.

The British "appease", and France fell very quickly, because WW1 nearly bankrupted them. Because keeping a worldwide empire with colonies and subjects stretches its resources and military might to the point that when a Hitler rises and a humiliated people now find new opportunities to rearm to reclaim their glory through conquest - no major power could do anything about it but sit by and "appease".

Look who's being kept busy fighting savages and barbarians again? We are.
Look at what former imperial powers are rearming and setting up for peacekeeping again.

To me, if we are to defend Australia and its way of life... there is no need to go fight, kill or die to do it. We could achieve independence and peace by first defending our values - freedom of religion, liberty, equality before the law, democracy, helping those in need etc.; Two, we protect Australia by not creating new enemies - going halfway around the world to help blow up people's houses does not make for winning friends; Three, we protect Australia by keeping our blood united and our treasury full.

These idiot politicians who talk tough have no clue as to what keep a country safe and secure. I mean, US Senator Ted Cruz talks about carpet bombing Syria if he's president. WTF? ISIS just line up and watch themselves being bombed?

 

[wayneL]

My missus has just returned from a trip to Europe. The people she spoke to had two basic concerns.

1/ That their magnanimity had been abused.

2/ That they feared an exponential trend of ideology towards neo-naziism.

They felt for the people who wanted to come and be good productive citizens, but were alarmed at the number of villains that come as well. It is negatively impacting their lives, culture and feelings of safety, from BOTH aspects mentioned above.

As I see it there is only one way this will all finish and it's going to be very mucky.

eg

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe...n/news-story/9aa82bffc92b15fa7ac27029c9475221

This it's only what has been reported. This has been kicking off all over Europe without being reported on.

 

[Tisme]

It must be a fluke that the Muslim North of Nigeria is the poor cousin to educated Christian South Nigeria, but that doesn't stop some in the north trying to etch out and even more extreme version of the ropes that bind:

Prophets of peace:


http://en.starafrica.com/news/borno-villages-suffer-latest-boko-haram-atrocities.html

 

[SirRumpole]

Another mess that Islamic idiots have started and we are now expected to fix.

How are we expected to get children out of Syria when we can't go in there ourselves ?

Islamic State fighter Khaled Sharrouf's wife, Tara Nettleton, dies in Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/islamic-state-fighter-khaled-sharrouf's-wife-tara-dies/7158340

 

[Tisme]

Another mess that Islamic idiots have started and we are now expected to fix.

How are we expected to get children out of Syria when we can't go in there ourselves ?

Islamic State fighter Khaled Sharrouf's wife, Tara Nettleton, dies in Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/islamic-state-fighter-khaled-sharrouf's-wife-tara-dies/7158340

Is that one of the kids who was holding a head or was that a photoshop jobbie?

 

[SirRumpole]

Is that one of the kids who was holding a head or was that a photoshop jobbie?

One of these kids was pictured holding a severed head I believe.

 

[SirRumpole]

One of these kids was pictured holding a severed head I believe.

A few unanswered questions here:

Ms Nettleton married Sharrouf when she was 15 and followed her husband, a convicted terrorist, to Syria in 2014, taking their children.

How did this happen when the legal age for marriage in Australia is 18 ?

Same with Nettleton's daughter who married Mahomed Elomar at 13 and had a baby at 14.

Disgusting creatures.

 

[DB008]

The religion of peace strikes again...

‘Several dead’ as Brussels rocked by multiple explosions​

THE heart of the European capital Brussels has been rocked by multiple bomb explosions at its international airport and its underground metro train line close to the European Commission headquarters.

Although reports of casulaties vary, it appears at least 13 people were killed at the airport and another 10 at the metro station. More than 30 people have been reported injured.

The city went into immediate lockdown and its terror alert raised to the maximum “level 4” after the blasts at the transport hubs, causing widespread panic.

Authorities have officially labelled the blasts terror attacks.

There were two apparent large explosions shortly after 8am local time, believed to be carried out by suicide bombers, at a check in desk at Brussels Zaventem Airport, immediately grounding all flights in and out of the air hub and causing panic among the thousands of passengers, many covered in dust and in distress, and running from the scene.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/two-explosions-rock-brussels-airport/news-story/ce3efc0a74046f11b02ebd9bdd91e200

https://twitter.com/Exen/status/712180329533075456​

 

[Tisme]

The religion of peace strikes again...

Aren't we supposed to ignore the terror in order to dis-empower the low life scum that they are? Go about our daily business deliriously oblivious to the danger posed by keeping our heads in a cloud.