Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[Hodgie]

Isn't it about time we deported some of these lunatics before they did any damage ?

And why was he given political asylum in the first place ?

Just crazy.

The judicial system will cop some heat after allowing this man out on bail.

 

[Tisme]

And why was he given political asylum in the first place ?

Because we have a western arrogance that runs deep in our colonial culture that we possess the keys to civility, law and order. Old occidental and oriental cultures, that have been compromised by barbarism don't have the superior skills we do.

Meanwhile we have a post pubescent attorney general in Qld who just legislated for youth to be incarcerated with the scum of adult society, name and shame them and basically marginalise them. And the excuse is that a 7% drop from applying existing laws therefore means more laws will result in a greater drop.....we can apparently legislate our way out of criminality, just like they did back in the days of convicts and Oliver Twist.... progressive or what!

 

[noco]

Isn't it about time we deported some of these lunatics before they did any damage ?

And why was he given political asylum in the first place ?

Just crazy.

We can thank comrade Gillard for allowing him into the country via Indonesia with the aid of the people smugglers.

Of course it was so easy under Gillard to get political asylum.

I said on many occasions, if their was one in a 1000 of the 50,000 Gillard and her comrades let into the country who were Islamic extremist, it would be one too many.

Now two innocent victims are dead along side the 1200 plus who lost their lives at sea.....Gillard must be very proud of herself.

Yes Rumpy, I agree, those Muslims who inherit criminal convictions should be deported...There is probably some 200 or more out there who do not deserve to be in this country of ours.

 

[Tisme]

We can thank comrade Gillard for allowing him into the country

John Howard actually ...how does that feel Noco?

 

[noco]

John Howard actually ...how does that feel Noco?

Sorry, you are wrong...It has been stated on different channels this morning that he entered the country 3 years ago.

Correction and my apology.....you are right...he entered into Australia in 1996.....the media obviously got it wrong.

I think Howard become Prime Minister in 1998....I will have to do some more checking as who was in Government in 1996.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-named-as-gunman/story-fnihslxi-1227157492618

 

[Bill M]

I think Howard become Prime Minister in 1998....I will have to do some more checking as who was in Government in 1996.

Nope you are wrong, Howard came into power in March 1996. I wouldn't blame him or Keating directly for letting this person in.

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John Winston Howard, OM, AC, (born 26 July 1939) was the 25th Prime Minister of Australia, from 11 March 1996 to 3 December 2007. He is the second-longest serving Australian Prime Minister

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard
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[noco]

Nope you are wrong, Howard came into power in March 1996. I wouldn't blame him or Keating directly for letting this person in.

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John Winston Howard, OM, AC, (born 26 July 1939) was the 25th Prime Minister of Australia, from 11 March 1996 to 3 December 2007. He is the second-longest serving Australian Prime Minister

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Australia

 

[pixel]

We can thank comrade Gillard for allowing him into the country via Indonesia with the aid of the people smugglers.

Of course it was so easy under Gillard to get political asylum.

I said on many occasions, if their was one in a 1000 of the 50,000 Gillard and her comrades let into the country who were Islamic extremist, it would be one too many.

Now two innocent victims are dead along side the 1200 plus who lost their lives at sea.....Gillard must be very proud of herself.

Yes Rumpy, I agree, those Muslims who inherit criminal convictions should be deported...There is probably some 200 or more out there who do not deserve to be in this country of ours.

Why not start a few years sooner. Remember the "Coalition of the Willing"? Willing to bomb the crap out of an entire country just to depose one man? And all on the back of a WMD lie...

PS: I see some others picked up on it too.

 

[trainspotter]

Who cares when he entered the country under what dictatorship (read prime ministership) SERIOUSLY ??? He was out on bail as an accessory to murder where he and his partner stabbed his ex wife then burned her body (according to the media frenzy)

Man Haron Monis, a self-styled sheikh shot dead by police in the early hours of Tuesday morning, was before the courts on two separate and serious matters: more than 40 sexual assault charges involving seven alleged victims; and as an accessory to the murder of his former wife.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-si...-and-accessory-to-murder-20141215-127u1e.html

pixel you might want to read this:-

The Invasion of Kuwait, also known as the Iraq–Kuwait War, was a major conflict between the Ba'athist Iraq and the State of Kuwait, which resulted in the seven-month long Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, and subsequently led to direct military intervention by U.S.-led forces in the Gulf War, and the setting alight by Iraq of 600 Kuwaiti oil wells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait

 

[pixel]

pixel you might want to read this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait

No need to, TS;
I was caught in the middle of it: I happened to be in Amman at the time.
That would've been the time to deal with Hussein for good; GB Senior bungled the "Desert Storm" badly.
But to wait 12 years and then try to finish the job was plain lunacy.
History repeats itself because nobody ever learns from history. If GWB had failed to notice, John Winston Howard should've been aware of how NOT to deal with a dictator. Sudetenland and Chamberlain's "Peace for our Time" happened a year before he was born. Only one year's delay ended in six years of misery and carnage....

 

[trainspotter]

No need to, TS;
I was caught in the middle of it: I happened to be in Amman at the time.
That would've been the time to deal with Hussein for good; GB Senior bungled the "Desert Storm" badly.
But to wait 12 years and then try to finish the job was plain lunacy.
History repeats itself because nobody ever learns from history. If GWB had failed to notice, John Winston Howard should've been aware of how NOT to deal with a dictator. Sudetenland and Chamberlain's "Peace for our Time" happened a year before he was born. Only one year's delay ended in six years of misery and carnage....

I think GB Senior was feeling the global pressure NOT to topple Saddam at the time. From memory it was Saudia Arabia who threatened oil sanctions against the U.S. ?? Or was it Iran and they were worried at the time they had nuclear capabilities?

 

[Calliope]

Who cares when he entered the country under what dictatorship (read prime ministership) SERIOUSLY ??? He was out on bail as an accessory to murder where he and his partner stabbed his ex wife then burned her body (according to the media frenzy)

You are right. It is not relevant how he came to be here and why.The facts are, Muslim jihadist crazies are already here and in large numbers.

These scenes of bearded, black flag waving thugs is ample evidence of that. I imagine the police would have photographic evidence of each participator. Each one has the potential and craziness to repeat what happened yesterday.

 

[sails]

You are right. It is not relevant how he came to be here and why.The facts are, Muslim jihadist crazies are already here and in large numbers.

These scenes of bearded, black flag waving thugs is ample evidence of that. I imagine the police would have photographic evidence of each participator. Each one has the potential and craziness to repeat what happened yesterday.

Isn't this the same man as shown on the cover of that video and about halfway through the video? The picture below is the gunman as per the link below and we are told he was a "lone wolf". Seemed very much part of it all if it is him.




http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...elegraph/comments/sydney_siege_police_charge/

 

[Tisme]

Who cares when he entered the country under what dictatorship (read prime ministership) SERIOUSLY ??? He was out on bail as an accessory to murder where he and his partner stabbed his ex wife then burned her body (according to the media frenzy)

yes I was going to reply that the people who let him stay are the ones that are culpable.

Good call Trainspotter

 

[trainspotter]

Isn't this the same man as shown on the cover of that video and about halfway through the video? The picture below is the gunman as per the link below and we are told he was a "lone wolf". Seemed very much part of it all if it is him.

Yes it is sails !! My concern is now the media will pontificate over this "radical" event which basically is not much to do about Islam and the hegemony of the Western civilisation but more of a one off event of a very marginalised man under the guise of the black flag.

And the hand wringing has begun:-

IRAN says it discussed the mental state of Sydney gunman Man Haron Monis with Australian officials several times before this week's deadly cafe siege.
THE 50-year-old Iranian refugee and two of his hostages died at the end of a 16-hour siege in a cafe in Sydney's CBD before dawn on Tuesday.
Iranian foreign ministry spokeswoman Marziyeh Afkham said Iranian and Australian authorities were well aware of the man's condition.
"The psychological conditions of the person who took refuge in Australia two decades ago had been discussed several times with the Australian officials," she said.
"The situation of the hostage taker had been completely clear to the Australian related officials."

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...ut-sydney-gunman/story-e6frfku9-1227158513006

 

[Calliope]

Isn't this the same man as shown on the cover of that video and about halfway through the video? The picture below is the gunman as per the link below and we are told he was a "lone wolf". Seemed very much part of it all if it is him.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...elegraph/comments/sydney_siege_police_charge/

The police and ASIO attempt to cover up their failure to monitor this guy by dismissing him as a "lone wolf nutter". But surely these are the most dangerous. The video shows hundreds of them, and they all know that they can achieve martyrdom and enter paradise by killing infidels. They are all "nutters'". The Muslim community say "oh he is not one of us he was crazy".

Our protective services are powerlees to prevent further murderous attacks by "nutters", unless they lift their game and get tough.

 

[sptrawler]

The police and ASIO attempt to cover up their failure to monitor this guy by dismissing him as a "lone wolf nutter". But surely these are the most dangerous. The video shows hundreds of them, and they all know that they can achieve martyrdom and enter paradise by killing infidels. They are all "nutters'". The Muslim community say "oh he is not one of us he was crazy".

Our protective services are powerlees to prevent further murderous attacks by "nutters", unless they lift their game and get tough.

It would seem the German population are getting nervous about the passive takeover.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/patriot...ering-support-in-germany-20141216-128105.html

 

[IFocus]

How would the new laws jailing Jurno's have stopped this from happening the guy wasn't even on a watch list

 

[sptrawler]

How would the new laws jailing Jurno's have stopped this from happening the guy wasn't even on a watch list

Was he a jurno? I heard Abbott ask why he wasn't on the watch list.

 

[basilio]

We have a host of new laws to protect us from terrorists. And then seemingly from nowhere a "lone wolf" jumps out with a bizarre and tragic outcome.

Not quite. Apparently Man Haron Monis was a well known crackpot in the Iranian community. In fact he was considered so delusional and dangerous that the President of the Iranian community contacted the Federal Police directly with his concerns.

So the question is "How effective is our security system in actually checking people out ?"

"The guy was a total outcast," said Australian Iranian man Yavar Tayebi. "No one in our community, none of the Iranian Shiites, wanted a bar of him."

"You take one look and think, he is an idiot," said Sheik Mousselmani, President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia, who warned Federal Police about Monis in 2008. "Nothing about him added up."

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/nsw...ed-deluded-and-dangerous-20141216-128j42.html