Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

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Very hard to make that call when you don't know for sure there is only one Tango in the building, also he has hostages against the windows.

They will drag on the negotiations into the night, and they will raid the building in the earlier hours of the morning if it is not settled peacefully before then, unless they have to do an emergency action because he goes nuts or the hostages fight back.

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... and they still don't know what's in his backpack either. Can you imagine the outcry if it's the equivalent of a suicide vest that's set off when they take him out? As long as he hasn't pulled the trigger, there's hope for the hostages' lives. Let him get tired?

 

[Value Collector]

... and they still don't know what's in his backpack either.

Yes, that is a worry, the Bag could have a device that is command detonated or even a tilt switch to trigger the device when he falls over if he gets shot, or it might just hold his teddy bear, who knows.

 

[luutzu]

+1
... and they still don't know what's in his backpack either. Can you imagine the outcry if it's the equivalent of a suicide vest that's set off when they take him out? As long as he hasn't pulled the trigger, there's hope for the hostages' lives. Let him get tired?

dam.

The bright side of this, if there is one, is at least they're isolated and we have well trained and well equipped professionals dealing with it. That and I think it's very hard to acquire arms and explosives in Australia so hopefully it will end with no innocents being harmed.

 

[DB008]

...and I think it's very hard to acquire arms and explosives in Australia so hopefully it will end with no innocents being harmed.

If you are a honest person.

To get weapons on the black market is relatively easy.

 

[SirRumpole]

ABC news 24 has been running this story all day.

Talk about giving this nitwit the publicity he wants.

Tell us when its over, there must be other things happening.
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[sptrawler]

ABC news 24 has been running this story all day.

Talk about giving this nitwit the publicity he wants.

Tell us when its over, there must be other things happening.
.

It wasn't long ago that you guys were blaming Abbott for ramping when he said this could happen

 

[SirRumpole]

It wasn't long ago that you guys were blaming Abbott for ramping when he said this could happen

My post contained no criticism of Abbott, only of the media.

 

[Value Collector]

dam.

That and I think it's very hard to acquire arms and explosives in Australia so hopefully it will end with no innocents being harmed.

Well he already has the arms (shotgun), and explosives can be made relatively easily, the hardest part about building a reliable explosive device is sourcing or making a reliable detonator, let's hope if he does have a device that the detonator is rubbish, and it fails to fire.

 

[banco]

My post contained no criticism of Abbott, only of the media.

They are a news agency and this is biggest news story in sydney for awhile. You are being rather precious...

 

[SirRumpole]

They are a news agency and this is biggest news story in sydney for awhile. You are being rather precious...

Bugger all has happened in this story all day

They should treat it like a rainy day at the cricket and cross back when something happens.

 

[sptrawler]

My post contained no criticism of Abbott, only of the media.

I'm talking about a few months ago when Abbott mentioned the domestic threat. You guys were all over him for crapping on for political milage.
When I get home to the computer I will refresh your memory.lol

 

[luutzu]

I'm talking about a few months ago when Abbott mentioned the domestic threat. You guys were all over him for crapping on for political milage.
When I get home to the computer I will refresh your memory.lol

Of course Abbott used the raids and ISIS threats for political gains. No one was saying the threat is fake or made-up, we don't know and we trust ASIO/AFP and security professionals to know.

But when your people see the biggest terrorism raid in its country, as its leader it is not wise to then go on TV and say stuff like terrorism is easy, all a person need is a knife, an iphone and a victim - that's not how you calm people.

 

[luutzu]

Well he already has the arms (shotgun), and explosives can be made relatively easily, the hardest part about building a reliable explosive device is sourcing or making a reliable detonator, let's hope if he does have a device that the detonator is rubbish, and it fails to fire.

Let's hope he's incompetent. The 5 victims who managed to escaped might be a good sign that he is.

I'm just glad Australia have tough gun-control.

 

[sptrawler]

Of course Abbott used the raids and ISIS threats for political gains. No one was saying the threat is fake or made-up, we don't know and we trust ASIO/AFP and security professionals to know.

But when your people see the biggest terrorism raid in its country, as its leader it is not wise to then go on TV and say stuff like terrorism is easy, all a person need is a knife, an iphone and a victim - that's not how you calm people.

It was about enacting stricter asio and federal police protocols.
Sure seemed to worry some

 

[luutzu]

It was about enacting stricter asio and federal police protocols.
Sure seemed to worry some

Rights to privacy and presumed innocent until proven guilty aside, it worries me because metadata retention slows down my internet

But good thing I managed to get a speed maximiser package - for free... so maybe all is well.

Jokes aside, I hope this terrorism/hostage crisis ends well.

 

[Value Collector]

They will drag on the negotiations into the night, and they will raid the building in the earlier hours of the morning.

Its over, just as I suspected, an early morning raid has ended the drama, at just after 2am this morning.

 

[Value Collector]

Damn, reports are now saying that two people have died, one is probably the gun man, and the other an innocent hostage.

 

[sydboy007]

I'd like the media taken to task over their perpetual coverage.

You'd think Sydney had been invaded and turned into an Islamic state. Every station had blanket coverage through the day and night. They just kept on repeating the days events.

Why do we need to give these idiots more media coverage? It's like we've decided to help with their PR.

Ray Hadley and his stupid comments through the day didn't help either. There was so much mythinformation being generated.

 

[sydboy007]

It was about enacting stricter asio and federal police protocols.
Sure seemed to worry some

Exactly what protocols were they trying to enact, and how would those protocols have helped to prevent this tragedy from occurring?

ASIO and the AFP have some pretty draconian laws behind them already. Perpetual preventative detention without trial, without even being able to hear the evidence being used to hold you.

If the reports are correct and this guy went out on his own, then there's really not much one could do to stop him. It would be like trying to stop any murdered acting alone. No amount of surveillance powers would help.

 

[SirRumpole]

Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis is the man police believe is behind the siege at the Lindt Chocolat Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place.

Monis, who was granted political asylum in Australia, is currently on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife.

He is also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and has a conviction for sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

Police were negotiating with Monis for a large part of Monday prior to officers being seen to storm the building.

He had entered the cafe at about 9:45am (AEDT) on Monday and was holding an unknown number of staff and customers inside throughout the day.

His former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, described Monis as an isolated figure who he believes was probably acting alone.

"His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness," he said.

Mr Conditsis represented Monis last year when he was charged with being accessory to the murder of ex-wife Noleen Hayson Pal, who was stabbed and set alight outside a western Sydney unit.

"Knowing he was on bail for very serious offences, knowing that while he was in custody some terrible things happened to him, I thought he may consider that he's got nothing to lose," he said.

"Hence participating in something as desperate and outrageous as this."

He said Monis claimed to have suffered poor treatment while in prison.

"He was put through let's say some very unpleasant events, involving matters of excrement over himself and his cell," he said.

Mr Conditsis said the public could be assured that the siege was not the work of an organised terrorist group.

"This is a one-off random individual," he said.

"It's not a concerted terrorism event or act.

"It's a damaged goods individual who's done something outrageous."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-...onis-named-as-man-behind-sydney-siege/5969246

Isn't it about time we deported some of these lunatics before they did any damage ?

And why was he given political asylum in the first place ?

Just crazy.