Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[luutzu]

Apparently not.

What does $300m per month translate to as a proportion of the defence budget? Here's a clue: quite a bit less than 1%.

What would that make the expense relative to the size of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet? Quite a bit less than the above.

Quite-a bit-less squared. QUABL-Squared. A new kind of financial scare-mongering derivative.

I also heard a while back that the US entire military budget is somewhere around $550 Billion. That works out to less than 4 or 5% of its GDP? Something the discussion panel all agreed was "not excessive", affordable.

Affordable, probably... for how long, maybe forever if need be I suppose.

But I'm from the school of thought that says one would rather not spend money unnecessarily, even if it can be afforded. Kinda like saving for a rainy day, pay off debts, maybe help a few charities or a friend or two in need.

Financial scare-mongering... OK.

For Australia's contribution, our PM guess it'll be around $500 million a year?

Not sure how many GP visits the proposed $7-copayment could be waived for the poor and the seniors; How many university places or scholarships could that pay for? How many computer lab, libraries, football programmes... roads, infrastructures?

But then what good are these good things if we're conquered by pure evil cultists on pick up trucks crossing deserts and oceans right?

 

[luutzu]

I'll bet he will be blocked by the Green/Labor coalition.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...bott_wants_powers_to_ban_preachers_of_terror/

The Islamic State’s campaign of jihadist terror is “blessed”? “Noble”? And Muslims here should decide how to react to our campaign to defeat the “most potent uprising in the Muslim world”?

So I understand Tony Abbott’s concern:

TONY ABBOTT has pledged to “red-card” hate preachers from entering Australia, but has admitted his government can’t yet ban the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir…

“We’ve looked at banning them, but we were advised under exisiting law we can’t do it,” he told 2GB Radio.

But Mr Abbott said a change to the law, that he hopes comes into force by the end of the year, will make it an offence to also promote terrorism, “not just to engage in terrorism”.

“Then I suppose we have to have another look at Hizb ut-Tahrir to see whether they fall under the definition of promoting terrorism.

I think the delicate balance between freedom and security will definitely have to be shift.

Having said that, I heard some of the clips from ABC's 7.30 report by those Hizb ut-Tahrir... that kind of speech is unacceptable and they should be investigated. I mean, bombs goes off in Australia is because the Muslims are angry? You just don't do or say things like that, no matter how angry you are... what a moron.

 

[DeepState]

For Australia's contribution, our PM guess it'll be around $500 million a year?

Not sure how many GP visits the proposed $7-copayment could be waived for the poor and the seniors; How many university places or scholarships could that pay for? How many computer lab, libraries, football programmes... roads, infrastructures?

But then what good are these good things if we're conquered by pure evil cultists on pick up trucks crossing deserts and oceans right?

Yet another whinge. Why don't you actually get the data before sprouting off some more of this stuff? You've got to think on a bigger scale than that and you know it. When/if you make the attempt, why not try guiding it with concrete facts rather than emotive throwaways.

 

[luutzu]

Don't you read or listen to the news Macquack?

Only the naive would swallow the talk about Israel bombing UN run schools and hospitals.....Hamas were firing their rockets into Israel under the cover of UN schools and hospitals.....Israel gave the civilians plenty of warning to get away from those rocket launchers before bombing them....yes some civilians were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What was Israel supposed to do?...let Hamas continue unabated...

I am sure you know all about the Hamas terrorist modus operandi....if you don't, well you must be very naive or ignorant.

I never hear you talk about the thousands of Christians and infidels that have been murdered in northern Iraq and Syria by Isis.

Noco, you're really misinformed about Israel and Palestine/Hamas.

No one is saying Hamas never committed war crimes, or that it is nice and good... But man, if you put the crimes committed by Israel and Hamas on a scale, there's just no comparison... But take it that a crime's a crime, it's just really psychotic of Israel to do what it does, to the Palestinians as well as to its own people.

 

[luutzu]

Yet another whinge. Why don't you actually get the data before sprouting off some more of this stuff? You've got to think on a bigger scale than that and you know it. When/if you make the attempt, why not try guiding it with concrete facts rather than emotive throwaways.

I'm thinking both big and small. It's always better that way.

Let's think big.

$500 million estimated cost per year; promised to not raise tax for it... hmmm... print more money, reduce the value of the dollar, war is paid and export increased, budget balanced.

$680 million increased homeland intelligence/security measures against potential blowbacks... a few major contracts for a few Aussie oil companies; some discount on the F-35s; closer military ties and trade relations with US in case the 2 billion [?] people up north get some ideas.

Seriously though, what's the big picture with ISIS and the ME?

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I read a bit of history and from what little I know, empires collapse because it over-extend itselves.

WW1 wasn't enough for the French or the British empires, but after WW2 they both became the US's little brothers - the alternative would have been catastrophic, would have seen both ceased to exists.

Ming's Middle Kingdom collapsed because it wages one war too many against barbarians, can't collect its taxes, fight domestic rebellions and ended up with the little kingdom of Manchuria literally just walk in and establish its new dynasty... That last Dynasty got arrogant, corrupt and have its land divided among the Western Barbarians, its people sick and slaughtered and subjugated.

There is no manifest destiny... The rich can become poor, the poor get dominated.

To wage war without serious debates; to cut spending at home but sending arms and troops afar fighting unknown enemies, with unclear strategies and false objectives... Truly, as Sun Tzu said, "only those acquainted with the evil of war can appreciate the most beneficial way of conducting it."

 

[noco]

Noco, you're really misinformed about Israel and Palestine/Hamas.

No one is saying Hamas never committed war crimes, or that it is nice and good... But man, if you put the crimes committed by Israel and Hamas on a scale, there's just no comparison... But take it that a crime's a crime, it's just really psychotic of Israel to do what it does, to the Palestinians as well as to its own people.

OFGS rap it up buddy......the Palestinians are good Christian people infiltrated by the Islamic group Hamas who are intent as with other Islamic countries are in destroying Israel..... Originally it was Arafat (PLO) who set out to convert the Palestinians to Islam.

If someone came to you and punched your lights out because you would not do as they wanted you to do, would you just stand there and turn the other cheek or would fight back as in an eye for an eye.

The Arabs tried so hard to wipe the Israelis off the map in 1967 and and failed miserably and in 6 days the Arabs got all they had asked for and serves them right.

Hamas are the ones who always provoke Israel by firing rockets in the shadow of UN schools and hospitals.....they know damn well when Israel attempts to knock out those rocket launchers it will cause some civilian casualties, they will get world wide attention....yes those bad Israelis are killing innocent women and children.

 

[noco]

I watched the interview between Emma Alberici and Wassim Doureihi......what a radical "RATBAG"....do we really have to tolerate this type of citizen in our country?

He was all over Abbott as the bad guy....no mention of Shorten.

If he does not like our government or our way of peaceful life, then to hell with him....go and live in what ever Islamic country of his choice....we do not need his brainwashing or indoctrination.

I don't care if he was born here or not, he is not worthy of being an Australian.

He would not answer the questions whether he was sympathetic to ISIL with their barbaric killings and beheadings of Christians and infidels...he would not condemn them so one has only one alternative to believe he is one of them......He would also not condemn the recruiting of Islamic Australians who volunteer to fight for the ISIL.



http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

 

[luutzu]

OFGS rap it up buddy......the Palestinians are good Christian people infiltrated by the Islamic group Hamas who are intent as with other Islamic countries are in destroying Israel..... Originally it was Arafat (PLO) who set out to convert the Palestinians to Islam.

If someone came to you and punched your lights out because you would not do as they wanted you to do, would you just stand there and turn the other cheek or would fight back as in an eye for an eye.

The Arabs tried so hard to wipe the Israelis off the map in 1967 and and failed miserably and in 6 days the Arabs got all they had asked for and serves them right.

Hamas are the ones who always provoke Israel by firing rockets in the shadow of UN schools and hospitals.....they know damn well when Israel attempts to knock out those rocket launchers it will cause some civilian casualties, they will get world wide attention....yes those bad Israelis are killing innocent women and children.

You're wrong about the 1967 war. I've said it before, I've watch a couple lectures by Miko Peled, whose father was one of the commanding generals in that way. Peled said his father, based on the released war room discussions leading up to that war... his father advised attacking Egypt because Egypt is not ready, won't be ready for at least another year.

Anyway, like most people, I don't think you like to hear facts contrary to your belief system... so yea, OK... It's just obvious that the Arabs are all the one and the same, and they all love their Palestinian brothers... that Arabs, unlike us the good guys, does nothing all day but dream of Israel's destruction. And the Palestinians, being loathsome, lazy liars, don't tend to their farm or dream of higher education or a family... instead, they just go out and get a few stones and throw at a benevolent, God-fearing, democratic Jewish state with big guns and powerful friends... those Palestinians just want to pick fights all day.

OK then... let's bomb Iran.

 

[Calliope]

Probably the most exensive bombs we have ever delivered. What a fiasco...now that we are there, we can't find any targets. It won't be long now before Shorten sees political opportunity in withdrawing his support for this expensive side show, and poor old Tony will be left like a shag on a rock. Meanwhile back in Europe (and Australia) Islamisation is proceeding right on target.

RAAF Super Hornet drops two bombs on Iraq terrorist target

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...terrorist-target/story-fnpdbcmu-1227084650071

 

[DeepState]

I'm thinking both big and small. It's always better that way.

Let's think big.

Sure thing, let's.

$500 million estimated cost per year; promised to not raise tax for it... hmmm... print more money, reduce the value of the dollar, war is paid and export increased, budget balanced.

$680 million increased homeland intelligence/security measures against potential blowbacks... a few major contracts for a few Aussie oil companies; some discount on the F-35s; closer military ties and trade relations with US in case the 2 billion [?] people up north get some ideas.

Seriously though, what's the big picture with ISIS and the ME?

Who's printing? Gov Stevens just spoke. No mention of printing. Do you know how they will finance this? Do you know what the impact on the dollar would actually be from the combination? Get some data. Once again, way off planatation. Once again, more financial sacre-mongering in the absence of data.

Why an additional $680m? How much of it was a catch-up? In any case, wasn't it you that was spinning like a top about China getting some rumbles in their tummy with all that trade moving through the South China Sea and rising to exert power etc.? Which side of the argument will you play tomorrow with that development?

What's the big picture? You've been expressing strong and largely immovable opinion on this issue all over the place. Surely you, of anyone, must know.

I read a bit of history and from what little I know, empires collapse because it over-extend itselves.

WW1 wasn't enough for the French or the British empires, but after WW2 they both became the US's little brothers - the alternative would have been catastrophic, would have seen both ceased to exists.

Ming's Middle Kingdom collapsed because it wages one war too many against barbarians, can't collect its taxes, fight domestic rebellions and ended up with the little kingdom of Manchuria literally just walk in and establish its new dynasty... That last Dynasty got arrogant, corrupt and have its land divided among the Western Barbarians, its people sick and slaughtered and subjugated.

There is no manifest destiny... The rich can become poor, the poor get dominated.

To wage war without serious debates; to cut spending at home but sending arms and troops afar fighting unknown enemies, with unclear strategies and false objectives... Truly, as Sun Tzu said, "only those acquainted with the evil of war can appreciate the most beneficial way of conducting it."

Can you provide a list of countries/peoples that were annihilated because they had no effective fighting force in the face of marauders please? Just for balance, you know.

On manifest destiny, I agree. Only change is constant.

Who exactly is over-extending here? And before you round on financial scare-mongering about US deficits and printing money yet gain, try to think big picture. It's not even close.

Further, your representation about little brothers is off kilter in the specifics as protrayed, but should inform some of the other points that actually are pertinent.

You actually get to vote. If you feel more motivated about the issue, you can write op-eds to every non-Murdoch newspaper that just doesn't report facts so readers can do their own thinking, but also offers analysis too. They can analyse your analysis. You can buy advertising time. You can write to your local member. You can distribute leaflets. You can door-knock and start a grass-roots movement. You can set-up a YouTube channel. You can organize a rally. Public debate is up to you - a member of the public. You have never been more empowered to do so.

What is the objective? In which case, what is the false objective? Is war by the numbers the right way to establish clear strategy? What if things change or you discover new things along the way? What does strategy look like then? How does the evolution of strategy appear to an ASF participant then? Unclear, perhaps? Would it be better if they laid out a Mission Statement, Vision Statement and a list of tasks and delegations using SMART and a SWOT analysis to the public? Is that what you actually expect?

In relation to your Sun Tzu quote, is the US unfamiliar with war in Iraq having spent over $106bn in one year alone (source: LZ)? What about Australia sending in SAS yet again. Not familiar enough for you? I guess they'll get the chance to become even more familiar.

 

[Tisme]

This has caused some conversation on Facebook also. I'm not sure if it pro Muslim, anti Muslim or just for the sake of it:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/relax-this-isnt-a-real-daily-mail-front-page-and-muslim-spid#48386pu

 

[SirRumpole]

This has caused some conversation on Facebook also. I'm not sure if it pro Muslim, anti Muslim or just for the sake of it:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/relax-this-isnt-a-real-daily-mail-front-page-and-muslim-spid#48386pu

I thought that sort of thing went out with "News of the World"

Someone must have watched the last episode of Dr Who.

 

[luutzu]

Sure thing, let's.

Who's printing? Gov Stevens just spoke. No mention of printing. Do you know how they will finance this? Do you know what the impact on the dollar would actually be from the combination? Get some data. Once again, way off planatation. Once again, more financial sacre-mongering in the absence of data.

Why an additional $680m? How much of it was a catch-up? In any case, wasn't it you that was spinning like a top about China getting some rumbles in their tummy with all that trade moving through the South China Sea and rising to exert power etc.? Which side of the argument will you play tomorrow with that development?

What's the big picture? You've been expressing strong and largely immovable opinion on this issue all over the place. Surely you, of anyone, must know.


Can you provide a list of countries/peoples that were annihilated because they had no effective fighting force in the face of marauders please? Just for balance, you know.

On manifest destiny, I agree. Only change is constant.

Who exactly is over-extending here? And before you round on financial scare-mongering about US deficits and printing money yet gain, try to think big picture. It's not even close.

Further, your representation about little brothers is off kilter in the specifics as protrayed, but should inform some of the other points that actually are pertinent.

You actually get to vote. If you feel more motivated about the issue, you can write op-eds to every non-Murdoch newspaper that just doesn't report facts so readers can do their own thinking, but also offers analysis too. They can analyse your analysis. You can buy advertising time. You can write to your local member. You can distribute leaflets. You can door-knock and start a grass-roots movement. You can set-up a YouTube channel. You can organize a rally. Public debate is up to you - a member of the public. You have never been more empowered to do so.

What is the objective? In which case, what is the false objective? Is war by the numbers the right way to establish clear strategy? What if things change or you discover new things along the way? What does strategy look like then? How does the evolution of strategy appear to an ASF participant then? Unclear, perhaps? Would it be better if they laid out a Mission Statement, Vision Statement and a list of tasks and delegations using SMART and a SWOT analysis to the public? Is that what you actually expect?

In relation to your Sun Tzu quote, is the US unfamiliar with war in Iraq having spent over $106bn in one year alone (source: LZ)? What about Australia sending in SAS yet again. Not familiar enough for you? I guess they'll get the chance to become even more familiar.

Not sure how those thinkers and strategists of old think or strategise without spreadsheets, databases and of course, data.

Call that $680 million what you like, a catch-up, a repayment, a loan, a grant, a modernisation initiative... whatever it is, it's an additional spending requirement we'll have to find ways to pay for.

It's insane that somehow, new spending our gov't is trying to figure out how to pay for is not new... it's a catch up. Does the "fact" that we (Labor, of course) have been slacking on national security mean the catch-ups is not new money? OK then.

I've been quite consistent with my arguments regarding serious threats to national security - China being one, other major, nuclear powered states like Russia, India... possibly the others.

You seriously think a bunch of idiots on pick up trucks, as our Captain call them, is a threat to our national survival, could threaten our national interests and influence?

They do pose an indirect threat.. that is IF we keep going to war against these invisible targets, cutting off their heads and watch more heads rises among them... spending our blood and treasure and lost focus, lost economic power to finance necessary wars (if and when it does arrive).

But as I have also said, in a nuclear powered world where we can probably borrow a couple, the chances of another state attacking us is almost zero. That does not mean it is zero... but say it is.

So what's the danger?
First, a few hundred millions here, a few hundred catch-up millions there and, as some US Senator once said, adds up to real money.

Let's take a detailed look shall we... an average Australian earns what? $50, 000 p.a. before tax. At that rate, over their 45 years of labour they makes $2.25 million, say $2 million after tax.

Estimate cost to Australia is $500 million a year if we just bomb?
How many lifetime's of labour is that we've just wasted? 250?

I saw some news report that averages the US latest request for more missiles against ISIS... each works out to be about $1.6 million. Add to that the operating costs of the jets, the satellites, command/control.

And oh, collateral damages, people being blown up, cities and houses destroyed... but those costs are other people's problem right?


Let's get some data... I don't subcribe to databases so hope this free one will do:

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-airstrikes-syria-against-isis-may-cost-much-10-billion-1694475

U.S. forces conducted on Wednesday a second day of bombing against ISIS targets in Syria, in an operation that President Barack Obama expects to last more than three years -- and which may cost as much as $10 billion a year, according to estimates compiled by Foreign Affairs magazine. While the U.S. has recruited allies in the operation, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, which are hitting targets on the ground while other partners in the coalition offer support, it will still meet a substantial chunk of the cost.

If anything underlines how high that cost will be, it’s the combat debut of the F-22 Raptor, which costs $68,000 per hour to operate. That does not include the price of its vast array of weapons, such as Sidewinder missiles and small-diameter bombs, coming in at $600,000 and $250,000 each, respectively.

 

[Tisme]

Noco, the "jews" are not the "chosen people". They are just pedalers of propaganda.

And of course there are Jews and then there are Jews. The real Jews were rounded up by Nebuchadnezzar and resettled in Caucasus Mountains where they later dispersed into Europe to become part of or gave rise to the Anglo races whichever historian you want to believe. Then there are the convert Khazar Jews (13th tribe) who popped up around the same time as Muslims and they are the ones we see mainly in charge and in media and look mysteriously similar to Slavs and Arabs.

So the "real" Jews would probably object to being included in the propaganda. They would tell you their traits are blonde, red or light brown hair, blue green or blue eyes and fair skin. Sounds vaguely familiar.....

 

[luutzu]

Before Think Big, grand strategy stuff...

at $500 million a year, at average wage of $50,000 a year... that's equivalent of 10,000 average jobs gone.

Are we safer? Will there be spoils of war? Will the cheap gas, the tax that might one day trickle down from the military and the police industrial complexes able to cover that?

Now that fighter jets, and who would have thought this, couldn't find easy targets... what are we to do? Give up? Kill innocent civilians? No! We must send in our heroes, our best and brightest, and fight house to house, block to block until we destroy and conquer... wait, that title is taken by some video game.. .until we degrade and ultimately destroy the little evil empire wannabe.

Maybe save grand strategy for another day, til then... let have a listen to this 5-star general, Supreme Allied Commander-Europe, US president and probably a man familiar with war and history... let hear what he have to say, what emotional string he pulls to warn against the danger of this so call "unwanted" influence on our liberty, our civil society.

 

[noco]

You're wrong about the 1967 war. I've said it before, I've watch a couple lectures by Miko Peled, whose father was one of the commanding generals in that way. Peled said his father, based on the released war room discussions leading up to that war... his father advised attacking Egypt because Egypt is not ready, won't be ready for at least another year.

Anyway, like most people, I don't think you like to hear facts contrary to your belief system... so yea, OK... It's just obvious that the Arabs are all the one and the same, and they all love their Palestinian brothers... that Arabs, unlike us the good guys, does nothing all day but dream of Israel's destruction. And the Palestinians, being loathsome, lazy liars, don't tend to their farm or dream of higher education or a family... instead, they just go out and get a few stones and throw at a benevolent, God-fearing, democratic Jewish state with big guns and powerful friends... those Palestinians just want to pick fights all day.

OK then... let's bomb Iran.

Perhaps if you watch this video of the 1967 6 day war you may just perceive a different aspect of it all.

Egypt was ready to attack Israel in June 1967 with an almighty force aided by Syria and Jordan.

The Israelis were a jump ahead of the Egyptian plan and decided to kill or be killed......The Israelis wiped out the Egyptian air force in the first 3 hours.

Now listen intently to the rest...hope you go to the end of it irrespective of the fact that you may not enjoy it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYBUdzJuqI&feature=em-hot-vrecs

 

[McLovin]

This has caused some conversation on Facebook also. I'm not sure if it pro Muslim, anti Muslim or just for the sake of it:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/relax-this-isnt-a-real-daily-mail-front-page-and-muslim-spid#48386pu

It's just a parody of the Daily Mail/Fail/Heil.

It's not like it's anything new for the DM.



I have to say I used to enjoy when I lived in the UK seeing just how ridiculous the headlines could be.

There's even a song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&app=desktop

 

[DeepState]

Not sure how those thinkers and strategists of old think or strategise without spreadsheets, databases and of course, data.

Sun Tzu said: "if you want to fight, proceed directly onto ground you have no familiarity with and engage an enemy whose capabilities you have no idea of." Naturally this strategy led to him becoming widely quoted.

Call that $680 million what you like, a catch-up, a repayment, a loan, a grant, a modernisation initiative... whatever it is, it's an additional spending requirement we'll have to find ways to pay for.

It's insane that somehow, new spending our gov't is trying to figure out how to pay for is not new... it's a catch up. Does the "fact" that we (Labor, of course) have been slacking on national security mean the catch-ups is not new money? OK then.

Go find out how it is funded. Alternatively, given you have so much faith in our security apparatus, please tell me why they don't deserve the funding to return to 'normal' levels. Do you have more trust in them if they are underfunded?

I've been quite consistent with my arguments regarding serious threats to national security - China being one, other major, nuclear powered states like Russia, India... possibly the others.

....which is exactly why we need to increase our national security efforts.

1. You seriously think a bunch of idiots on pick up trucks, as our Captain call them, is a threat to our national survival, could threaten our national interests and influence?

2. They do pose an indirect threat.. that is IF we keep going to war against these invisible targets, cutting off their heads and watch more heads rises among them... spending our blood and treasure and lost focus, lost economic power to finance necessary wars (if and when it does arrive).

3. But as I have also said, in a nuclear powered world where we can probably borrow a couple, the chances of another state attacking us is almost zero. That does not mean it is zero... but say it is.

So what's the danger?

1. For all your big thinking, on pick-up trucks...sigh.

2. Can't be sure. Did the guys in Bali who lit firecrackers that took a few lives have a Boeing 737, nuclear weapons, yada yada? Let's spend some of the ASIO money and invite their leaders to an offsite and have a dialog about our differences. Maybe that will help?

Question. Do we bow our heads at them as is the Japanese custom for greeting?

3. You need to look up how an asymmetric war is fought...yet again. You seem to imagine that war is fought like a weird version of von Clausewitz. Or a copy of Bonnepart. That was 19th century. That's crayon war. Grab an HDTV. Actually watch it.

First, a few hundred millions here, a few hundred catch-up millions there and, as some US Senator once said, adds up to real money.

Ever consider the revenue side?

Let's take a detailed look shall we... an average Australian earns what? $50, 000 p.a. before tax. At that rate, over their 45 years of labour they makes $2.25 million, say $2 million after tax.

Estimate cost to Australia is $500 million a year if we just bomb?
How many lifetime's of labour is that we've just wasted? 250?

...Ever considered the revenue side (yet again)? Or the even larger picture that is non-monetary?

Let's get some data... I don't subcribe to databases so hope this free one will do:

You get what you pay for I guess. It's not even a database.

Turns out I have a subscription. Golly gosh. Guess what, that's the alarmingly high figure....of the sort you repeatedly shake around when using budgets to justify anything in these contexts. In any case, do the math or at least admit you don't when making strong statements. If you did, you would find nothing in here changes the thrust of the prior statements. Back in the can for that one. Failing that, I'll just say that it is the case. You know I use data and have it for this response.

 

[DeepState]

Before Think Big, grand strategy stuff...

at $500 million a year, at average wage of $50,000 a year... that's equivalent of 10,000 average jobs gone.

Are we safer? Will there be spoils of war? Will the cheap gas, the tax that might one day trickle down from the military and the police industrial complexes able to cover that?

Now that fighter jets, and who would have thought this, couldn't find easy targets... what are we to do? Give up? Kill innocent civilians? No! We must send in our heroes, our best and brightest, and fight house to house, block to block until we destroy and conquer... wait, that title is taken by some video game.. .until we degrade and ultimately destroy the little evil empire wannabe.

Maybe save grand strategy for another day, til then... let have a listen to this 5-star general, Supreme Allied Commander-Europe, US president and probably a man familiar with war and history... let hear what he have to say, what emotional string he pulls to warn against the danger of this so call "unwanted" influence on our liberty, our civil society.

So....are you saying the US Military Industrial Complex created IS as a black flag operation in order to create demand for all the special interest groups who supply inputs to the creation and deployment of arms? They sure have incentive given the withdrawal of ground forces and on ongoing squeeze of sequestration.

Motive (tick)
Opportunity (tick)
Means (tick)

It must be. Spooky, huh?

 

[luutzu]

So....are you saying the US Military Industrial Complex created IS as a black flag operation in order to create demand for all the special interest groups who supply inputs to the creation and deployment of arms? They sure have incentive given the withdrawal of ground forces and on ongoing squeeze of sequestration.

Motive (tick)
Opportunity (tick)
Means (tick)

It must be. Spooky, huh?

I think it was the president of the United States, also the Supreme Commander fighting the greatest threat to Western (non-Germanic kind) powers in the last century... he was the guy with this crazy idea of the Military Industrial Complex and warn against its undue influence. I think in that same speech he also made the point of how many schools, hospitals, roads etc. etc. each jets, each aircraft carrier replaces... what a peacenik. Right?

You know what's scary?

That our news media, the so call fifth estate, fourth pillar of democracy... at least from what I saw of news in the US anyway... they drag out these former generals and military commanders, getting their expert advice on these threats and it's bomb bomb and war war war... I saw a piece of investigative journalism, on youtube, that some of these generals now works for defense contractors, directors and consultants to private military companies... I guess their expertise and views can never be bought right?