Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[luutzu]

Sun Tzu said: "if you want to fight, proceed directly onto ground you have no familiarity with and engage an enemy whose capabilities you have no idea of." Naturally this strategy led to him becoming widely quoted.

He's widely quoted because he's one of the few generals who actually understand the entire costs and benefits of war - not just strategies, tactics and war mongering.

He was referring to a strategy where the soldiers are forced to fight - to lead them into "death ground", deep into enemy territories so that they will unite as one, have no escape, and so when faced with death they will find life. And no, he's famous for saying that to guarantee victory, to win every battle, one must know oneself and know the enemy... to know the enemy but not oneself, to know one self but not know the enemy and victory is 50/50.

To go further, this implies that warfare, like any competition or relationship, involves two parties. Strategies and tactics must revolve and change according to circumstances and people... therefore, one cannot make calculations without first knowing one's own abilities, one cannot make plans without knowing the enemy and how they would react.

The death ground discussion follow his advice on the economics, the costs, of war - that price inflation will occur with war; that the army ought to live off the enemy, for every one picu of an enemy's grain equal 20 of our own - the costs of transportation etc.; that long campaigns will decrease the state's treasury, leading to higher taxation, higher taxation will stress the thousand families... hence, the objective of war is victory, not lengthy battle; hence, there has never been an example of a State having benefited from prolonged warfare.

What did our Defence Minister say a week ago? Don't know the cost, let's kinda wait and see how it goes...

Sun Tzu said, those who fight first then seek calculations are bloody idiots.

You and a few Master of War in Canberra got some extra reading to do.

Go find out how it is funded. Alternatively, given you have so much faith in our security apparatus, please tell me why they don't deserve the funding to return to 'normal' levels. Do you have more trust in them if they are underfunded?

....which is exactly why we need to increase our national security efforts.

How much of the new fundings, wait... the old new funding, goes to recruiting new agents and how much goes to new data centres and NSA-type data retention and analytics?

Maybe the revenue side can come from starting a small unit within ASIO giving people URLs and their browsers bookmarks lost from upgrades.

I heard from Chomsky or Greenwald in one of their lectures that since the NSA metadata retention programme, the US only managed to capture 1, ONE, terrorists - a Somali in the US caught sending some $12,000 to a known terrorist in Somali through Western Union or something.

But that can't be right?

1. For all your big thinking, on pick-up trucks...sigh.

2. Can't be sure. Did the guys in Bali who lit firecrackers that took a few lives have a Boeing 737, nuclear weapons, yada yada? Let's spend some of the ASIO money and invite their leaders to an offsite and have a dialog about our differences. Maybe that will help?

Question. Do we bow our heads at them as is the Japanese custom for greeting?

Yea, people who wage war against us are evil men, doing evil deeds... and our policies, which apparently began only in 2003 with the invasion of Iraq as our PM said in a speech to Parliament... we're all just loving freedom and bikini-clad babes and they just hate us and our way of life.

I thought you love 50 shades of Grey... haha

3. You need to look up how an asymmetric war is fought...yet again. You seem to imagine that war is fought like a weird version of von Clausewitz. Or a copy of Bonnepart. That was 19th century. That's crayon war. Grab an HDTV. Actually watch it.

Ever consider the revenue side?

...Ever considered the revenue side (yet again)? Or the even larger picture that is non-monetary?

You get what you pay for I guess. It's not even a database.

Turns out I have a subscription. Golly gosh. Guess what, that's the alarmingly high figure....of the sort you repeatedly shake around when using budgets to justify anything in these contexts. In any case, do the math or at least admit you don't when making strong statements. If you did, you would find nothing in here changes the thrust of the prior statements. Back in the can for that one. Failing that, I'll just say that it is the case. You know I use data and have it for this response.

Ever thought it is us who's fighting the last war?
We're sending fighter jets and thought we're somehow going to win this thing. We barely got out of Iraq after some 10 years, some $2.5 Trillion real US dollars, some billions training and arming the Iraqis... didn't do us much good... but somehow, this time around, it's going to work with a few more bombs, a few more advisors and a couple more countries and rebel forces... voila.

OK... costs not detailed enough or too high?
Why not give us your estimates? The last one you quote a while back was... $1.5 billion for the entire year?
That liberal paper I just googled put estimate at $10 billion a year, with Obama guessing it'll take 3 years... $30 billion, or 20 times higher than original estimate.

But of course strategies and estimates must revise and adapt to changing circumstances right? Art of War and what not.

 

[luutzu]

Perhaps if you watch this video of the 1967 6 day war you may just perceive a different aspect of it all.

Egypt was ready to attack Israel in June 1967 with an almighty force aided by Syria and Jordan.

The Israelis were a jump ahead of the Egyptian plan and decided to kill or be killed......The Israelis wiped out the Egyptian air force in the first 3 hours.

Now listen intently to the rest...hope you go to the end of it irrespective of the fact that you may not enjoy it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYBUdzJuqI&feature=em-hot-vrecs

The Miko Peled I spoke about.
There's his formal lectures but this video gets to the myth of the 1967 war.

 

[Macquack]

Only the naive would swallow the talk about Israel bombing UN run schools and hospitals.....Hamas were firing their rockets into Israel under the cover of UN schools and hospitals.....Israel gave the civilians plenty of warning to get away from those rocket launchers before bombing them....yes some civilians were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You must be ****ing joking, right?

Lets just move that hospital full of patients and doctors and nurses into a safe place, like a school.

If you were in that hospital you would not be so complementary of the Israeli "Defence" Forces.

Terrorist act, no ****ing excuses.

 

[noco]

You must be ****ing joking, right?

Lets just move that hospital full of patients and doctors and nurses into a safe place, like a school.

If you were in that hospital you would not be so complementary of the Israeli "Defence" Forces.

Terrorist act, no ****ing excuses.

I am not joking...it was reported many times in the media and TV.

You obviously don't read newspapers or watch TV.

I think have buried you head in the sand for too long.

 

[noco]

This is a U-Tube the Palestinians want removed and no wonder why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

 

[luutzu]

This is a U-Tube the Palestinians want removed and no wonder why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

No wonder they want it removed. The video pretty much say the Palestinians does not exists - no mention of "Palestine" in the Koran. I think they were called "Philistine" back then. Anyway, I'd be pretty upset if some idiots tries to wash me and my people off of history, off of the land of my ancestors.


what else... Jerusalem is not their Holy site because they turn their head to Mecca and hence their butt to the Mount on the Rock as they pray, they picnic and play soccer outside on its courtyard - so no Holy site!
I think Israel's Shin Bet and all Muslims around the world beg to differ. But what do they know about what's Holy to their faith.

Yea man, could I use that same reasoning and take my neighbour's car? I mean, the dude wash it with green shampoo and dry it with cheap chamois when we all know blue shampoo works best and you have to air dry it with your breath. That's what I would do with his car, he didn't do it, so it obviously is not his car.

What else... King David. I heard from Miko Peled too that historians have found no evidence of King David ever existed.

Seriously, aren't you all from the same God, the same father - Adam and his rib? Aren't you all directly from Sem, the son of Noah after the flood?

If we're serious about using the Bible as a source of truth and history, shouldn't we at least not be selective and pick the parts that serve our purpose? Asking for too much?

 

[luutzu]

I am not joking...it was reported many times in the media and TV.

You obviously don't read newspapers or watch TV.

I think have buried you head in the sand for too long.

There's your problem right there noco - getting info from the newspapers and TV.

 

[noco]

There's your problem right there noco - getting info from the newspapers and TV.

I don't think Miko Peled is all that he is cracked up to be according to the link below.

Miko Peled is a Green lefty, a peace activist, a human rights preacher, a pro Islamic and stretches the truth when ever he can.

He bashes Israel when ever he can and not once does he condemn the Muslim radical Hamas group for the problems that exist in Palestine.

If he is as good as he makes out to be why doesn't he talk to ISIS and be the peace maker in Iraq and Syria?



http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/miko-peled-at-uc-irvine.html

 

[chiff]

Heard on the BBC the other night that unemployed young men from Kosovo and Albania are being lured to join IS with a daily payment of 60 Euros.From countries with unemployment rates of around fifty percent for young men.

 

[chiff]

I see that you often quote the Australian newspaper Noco.What do you think of the writings of Greg Sheridan regarding Israel and the Middle East?

 

[Value Collector]

On the topic of jihad and religious conflict, one of the scariest things is that the religious among us long for the end of the world, ISIS and the like have long said "We love death more than you love life"

It's quite sickening really.

 

[SirRumpole]

On the topic of jihad and religious conflict, one of the scariest things is that the religious among us long for the end of the world, ISIS and the like have long said "We love death more than you love life"

It's quite sickening really.

i had some Jehova's witnesses call on me the other day. They are fairly nice people and I usually have a chat to see where they are coming from . This time it was about a "world government", led of course by "their" God. I asked if all the Muslims would convert and their answer was that God would smite them down if they didn't. Not much difference to the Muslims, only the Muslims have to do God's dirty work for them as their God doesn't appear capable of doing it himself.

Funny how "religions of peace" always seem obsessed with acts of violence.

 

[luutzu]

I don't think Miko Peled is all that he is cracked up to be according to the link below.

Miko Peled is a Green lefty, a peace activist, a human rights preacher, a pro Islamic and stretches the truth when ever he can.

He bashes Israel when ever he can and not once does he condemn the Muslim radical Hamas group for the problems that exist in Palestine.

If he is as good as he makes out to be why doesn't he talk to ISIS and be the peace maker in Iraq and Syria?



http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/miko-peled-at-uc-irvine.html

Miko Peled probably have more love for Israel in one of his finger nails than you or I thought about it in our entire lifetime.

His father was literally one of the founders of Israel man. The father join the IDF when there weren't even a thing call the IDF, he rises up the ranks and lead its soldiers to wars. Miko himself joined the IDF, rose to the rank of Colonel I think... he said he never question or think much about Israel's policies until his niece was killed in one of the terrorist attacks, in a cafe/restaurant in Tel Aviv.

That he only slowly look into this because his sister, the mother of that niece, when asked by the Israeli press who she blames and how Israel can revenge the death... the mother, who went to school with Bibi the Great, his childhood friend... she said she blame Israel for its policies, for being so brutal and cruel towards the Palestinians that it drove one of them to strap explosives to themselves.

You don't have to agree with her conclusions, but that's what she believe. And this led Peled to research and rethink. He said it took him two years to come around to the facts, that he couldn't believe the things he heard or read, the stuff Palestinians living in the US tells him.

Anyway, what he said I've also heard from other sources... Strange how just about all the sources I've listened to, both pro and critical of Israel, most are Jewish themselves. But then there's a lot of self-hating Jews and anti-Semite out there, right?

ISIS does not equal Hamas or Palestine. Iran doesn't equal Hamas or ISIS either.

Israel is going to bomb Iran one day, you watch. That drum of war has been sounded since at least 2012, repeated again a few weeks ago by Bibi at the UN, at the White House, at his US media circus. All it need is an acceptable pretext and a friendlier US president.

 

[luutzu]

i had some Jehova's witnesses call on me the other day. They are fairly nice people and I usually have a chat to see where they are coming from . This time it was about a "world government", led of course by "their" God. I asked if all the Muslims would convert and their answer was that God would smite them down if they didn't. Not much difference to the Muslims, only the Muslims have to do God's dirty work for them as their God doesn't appear capable of doing it himself.

Funny how "religions of peace" always seem obsessed with acts of violence.

These religious nuts are insane, all of them.

One of the largest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals Christians from the US/Canada. They support and donate to Israel because it is only when the Jews control all of Palestine that Christ will return. Upon his second coming, all will die, Armageddon and all that...

So they support Israel so that the world will end and along with it all the Jews, except for a few who turn to Christ in time. The Jews doesn't believe that nonsense in the New Testament so say thanks and took the money anyway.

 

[noco]

These religious nuts are insane, all of them.

One of the largest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals Christians from the US/Canada. They support and donate to Israel because it is only when the Jews control all of Palestine that Christ will return. Upon his second coming, all will die, Armageddon and all that...

So they support Israel so that the world will end and along with it all the Jews, except for a few who turn to Christ in time. The Jews doesn't believe that nonsense in the New Testament so say thanks and took the money anyway.

Dream on my friend....it ain't gonna happen.

 

[noco]

As was predicted some years ago, the infiltration of the Western World by Muslims is gaining momentum and the UK and Europe are regretting they allowed it to happen.

The Green/Labor left wing socialist allowed 50,000 to flood into Australia between 2008 and 2013 and they are starting to show their muscle here also.

We must be thankful we now have an adult government who has stopped the flow.

Australia could still become another UK and Europe if steps are not taken to control the radicals who are already in Australia whether they were born here or not.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...middle_easts_wars_into_the_streets_of_europe/

 

[Macquack]

I am not joking...it was reported many times in the media and TV.

You obviously don't read newspapers or watch TV.

I think have buried you head in the sand for too long.

The Palestinians are just the Israeli’s “punching bag”.

Every now and then for a little bit of “military war games” practice and a big bit of "ego" exercise, the Israeli Defence Forces lead by that scumbag Netanyahu, let the Palestinians "HAVE IT BIG TIME" (in a Israeli-occupied territory for Christ sake!)

So “bloody” predictable.

The Israelis are not as clever as you think Noco.

 

[DB008]

These religious nuts are insane, all of them.

One of the largest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals Christians from the US/Canada. They support and donate to Israel because it is only when the Jews control all of Palestine that Christ will return. Upon his second coming, all will die, Armageddon and all that...

So they support Israel so that the world will end and along with it all the Jews, except for a few who turn to Christ in time. The Jews doesn't believe that nonsense in the New Testament so say thanks and took the money anyway.

According to Pew Research, Evangelical support for Jews is very high. However the feeling is not mutual. While 69% of white evangelicals say they have a favorable view of Jews, only 34% of Jews say they have a favorable view of Evangelicals.

 

[noco]

The Palestinians are just the Israeli’s “punching bag”.

Every now and then for a little bit of “military war games” practice and a big bit of "ego" exercise, the Israeli Defence Forces lead by that scumbag Netanyahu, let the Palestinians "HAVE IT BIG TIME" (in a Israeli-occupied territory for Christ sake!)

So “bloody” predictable.

The Israelis are not as clever as you think Noco.

Well, I"ll be blowed......you could have fooled me.

 

[Macquack]

Dream on my friend....it ain't gonna happen.

What luutzu said, is actually happening.

So what is your actual position on religion, Noco, for clarity?