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Share: | GPT |
Date: | 2-Aug-13 |
Closing Price | 3.59 |
Issued Shares | 1,742,852,344 |
Capital | 6,256,839,915 |
Earnings $ | 0.3360 |
ROE | 9.36% |
Dist $ | 0.198 |
Yield % | 5.52% |
P/E | 10.68 |
NTA $ | 3.73 |
Discount to NTA | 3.75% |
GPT-US$ | |||
Share Price | |||
Date | US$-Aud$ | Aud$ | US$ |
15-Jun-12 | 1.009 | 3.19 | 3.22 |
22-Jun-12 | 1.006 | 3.21 | 3.23 |
29-Jun-12 | 1.024 | 3.29 | 3.37 |
6-Jul-12 | 1.021 | 3.34 | 3.41 |
13-Jul-12 | 1.023 | 3.33 | 3.41 |
20-Jul-12 | 1.038 | 3.40 | 3.53 |
27-Jul-12 | 1.048 | 3.39 | 3.55 |
3-Aug-12 | 1.047 | 3.42 | 3.58 |
10-Aug-12 | 1.058 | 3.38 | 3.58 |
17-Aug-12 | 1.042 | 3.54 | 3.69 |
24-Aug-12 | 1.040 | 3.51 | 3.65 |
31-Aug-12 | 1.032 | 3.51 | 3.62 |
7-Sep-12 | 1.038 | 3.61 | 3.75 |
14-Sep-12 | 1.057 | 3.52 | 3.72 |
21-Sep-12 | 1.046 | 3.42 | 3.58 |
28-Sep-12 | 1.038 | 3.40 | 3.53 |
5-Oct-12 | 1.018 | 3.52 | 3.58 |
12-Oct-12 | 1.023 | 3.55 | 3.63 |
19-Oct-12 | 1.033 | 3.56 | 3.68 |
26-Oct-12 | 1.037 | 3.51 | 3.64 |
2-Nov-12 | 1.034 | 3.49 | 3.61 |
9-Nov-12 | 1.039 | 3.46 | 3.59 |
16-Nov-12 | 1.034 | 3.40 | 3.52 |
23-Nov-12 | 1.046 | 3.48 | 3.64 |
30-Nov-12 | 1.043 | 3.49 | 3.64 |
7-Dec-12 | 1.048 | 3.60 | 3.77 |
14-Dec-12 | 1.057 | 3.56 | 3.76 |
21-Dec-12 | 1.040 | 3.66 | 3.81 |
28-Dec-12 | 1.037 | 3.70 | 3.84 |
4-Jan-13 | 1.048 | 3.67 | 3.85 |
11-Jan-13 | 1.053 | 3.65 | 3.84 |
18-Jan-13 | 1.050 | 3.60 | 3.78 |
25-Jan-13 | 1.042 | 3.69 | 3.84 |
1-Feb-13 | 1.040 | 3.83 | 3.98 |
8-Feb-13 | 1.031 | 3.88 | 4.00 |
15-Feb-13 | 1.022 | 3.78 | 3.86 |
22-Feb-13 | 1.032 | 3.87 | 3.99 |
1-Mar-13 | 1.020 | 3.89 | 3.97 |
8-Mar-13 | 1.023 | 3.94 | 4.03 |
15-Mar-13 | 1.040 | 3.79 | 3.94 |
22-Mar-13 | 1.044 | 3.75 | 3.92 |
29-Mar-13 | 1.040 | 3.71 | 3.86 |
5-Apr-13 | 1.042 | 3.85 | 4.01 |
12-Apr-13 | 1.050 | 3.95 | 4.15 |
17-Apr-13 | 1.027 | 4.09 | 4.20 |
26-Apr-13 | 1.028 | 4.09 | 4.20 |
3-May-13 | 1.032 | 4.05 | 4.18 |
10-May-13 | 1.002 | 4.14 | 4.15 |
17-May-13 | 0.973 | 4.12 | 4.01 |
24-May-13 | 0.965 | 3.90 | 3.76 |
31-May-13 | 0.957 | 3.89 | 3.72 |
7-Jun-13 | 0.949 | 3.72 | 3.53 |
14-Jun-13 | 0.957 | 3.74 | 3.58 |
21-Jun-13 | 0.922 | 3.71 | 3.42 |
28-Jun-13 | 0.914 | 3.84 | 3.51 |
5-Jul-13 | 0.907 | 3.86 | 3.50 |
12-Jul-13 | 0.904 | 3.83 | 3.46 |
19-Jul-13 | 0.917 | 3.78 | 3.47 |
26-Jul-13 | 0.926 | 3.65 | 3.38 |
2-Aug-13 | 0.890 | 3.59 | 3.20 |
On the plus side, at some point, you would reasonably expect the low price earnings ratio... must start appealing to the same off-shore investors looking for long term returns. H
I suspect you will find that the P/E you are stating includes revaluation gains (non cash in nature) in the denominator as earnings. REITs (like GPT) have to revalue their asset base every so often and any gain is passed through the profit and loss statement and hence pops up in REIT earnings. The gain is unrealised and is only actually captured by investors if the underlying asset is sold. Kind of like buying your house for $100 and saying it is worth $120 based on an independent valuation a few years later, and declaring a $20 profit that year to recognise the gain.
There is nothing wrong with this per se but important to note that this is not like on like with earnings of general corporates which don't include reval gains (eg Woolworths earnings do not include reval gains).
This therefore understates the P/E and why REITS tend to report "operating earnings" which strip out the reval gains and more closely align with the cash flow being generated by the underlying assets. On this basis, GPT's P/E is closer to 14-15x from memory, perhaps even higher.
In terms of what institutional investors are worried about, well the biggest concern is really how GPT manages to hit its long term earnings growth target of CPI + 2-3%. This implies ~5-6% earnings growth. The nature of the underlying assets provide longer term fixed rental growth of 3-4% which means there is a gap to bridge to get them to their 5-6% target. Management have been achieving this in recent history by buying their shares back accretively (which is getting harder given their P/E is much higher); cutting overheads (again limited in scope); cancelling out of the money hedges (which delivers an IRR of ~3.5% but boosts accounting earnings significantly). Now that this easy fruit has been taken, the question is how they will drive higher than CPI growth going forward. Also in an environment where retail tenants are flexing their muscles and demanding lower rents with GPT's portfolio exposed ~50% to retail from memory.
I'm not sure what point you are making here. Your quote is selective in that you have only referred to one of four points made as to why I think it is reasonable to think at some point soon, GPT should return to favour.
........Part of my work role is to speak regularly to the large institutional investors in the A-REIT space.......
1. The P/E ratio. I just wanted to point out that a 10x P/E for GPT might seem cheap as you indicated in your post, but what is this relative to? ....... On last year's number, the P/E is ~15x which is where instos tend to see GPT being priced relative to other stocks in the market..
2. The earnings growth outlook. When it comes to REITs larger investors aren't generally concerned about earnings just one year out. Given the leases on the properties are long, there is a high degree of transparency around the future earnings prospects. The risk to GPT's growth profile which people are concerned about at present is whether they can keep the 5-6% EPS growth that they will hit this year up, going forward into future years. I suspect the low volumes we are seeing at the moment are typical of the absence of instos being willing to step up and by a stock trading at 15x earnings which may only grow 2-3% per annum over the longer term..
One final comment on GPT's stated operating earnings (ROI). This measure actually excludes a large coupon payment they make each year to GIC (Singapore Pension Fund) due to a hybrid they issued to GIC during the GFC. That coupon payment is quite large from memory and so a lot of investors take this into account as well due to it being a recurring payment. It is a bit cheeky on the part of GPT because it is like excluding part of your interest expense when determining your earnings number! GPT's payout ratio is 80% of ROI, but significantly higher based on actual operating earnings once the GIC hybrid coupon is taken into account.
Notwithstanding that there can be a difference between "Earnings" interpretaion (A-REIT v's non A-REIT's) that can be perceived to contribute to understating the P/E ratio, if the ratios were adjusted to the lower ROI figures increasing the P/E ratios, the A-REIT shares (in my opinion) would still compare favourably with other non A-REIT shares paying similar yields.
If institutional investor are looking for growth of 5-6% year after year, in a period when inflation is less then 3%, the world economies are contracted, unemployment is struggling to stay below 6% (even with the jiggling by both political parties as to the definition of "employmeny") and the only companies gouging huge profits are the banks, then in my opinion they are being unrealistic.
Whether GPT has a P/E of 10:1 or 15:1 atm is relevent only in comparison of other shares when taken into consideration along with, distributions, yield, nta and share price to nta discounts.
While I will make some enquiries in respect of how the "coupon" is treated, I suspect that there would be little difference to normal security holders as to whether it was accounted for/expensed in a manner similar to a recurring bond interest cost (expence) or as a distribution relative to a preference security/share holding. From memory Sydney Airport has/had a similar approach which was to the benefit of security holders in reducing tax.
I really think we are belaboring the point in this exchange as to the contextual relevence of P/E in the tables I post.
I apologise for belaboring the point. I did not reflect on the tables that you post and have no issue with them. I just saw in your post that you said GPT trades on a P/E of 10x and wanted to explain why I don't think the market actually values them at 10x but more like 15x. As you say though, that is still a fair bit cheaper than a large number of industrial stocks which are far more exposed to the general economy than GPT is.
I think we are on the same page. I did not mean to criticise you or your analysis. I was just trying to provide some additional insights. I won't reply to any of your A-REIT posts in future since I am obviously coming across too critically.
I did not mean to criticise you or your analysis. I was just trying to provide some additional insights. I won't reply to any of your A-REIT posts in future since I am obviously coming across too critically.
All the best.
.......The RBA decision is out tomorrow and the share price may fall even further if there is a further drop in the Aud$. All good, GPT will eventually bounce (IMO).
Cheers.
As always, do your own research and good luck.
In terms of what institutional investors are worried about, well the biggest concern is really how GPT manages to hit its long term earnings growth target of CPI + 2-3%. This implies ~5-6% earnings growth. The nature of the underlying assets provide longer term fixed rental growth of 3-4% which means there is a gap to bridge to get them to their 5-6% target. Management have been achieving this in recent history by buying their shares back accretively (which is getting harder given their P/E is much higher); cutting overheads (again limited in scope); cancelling out of the money hedges (which delivers an IRR of ~3.5% but boosts accounting earnings significantly). Now that this easy fruit has been taken, the question is how they will drive higher than CPI growth going forward. Also in an environment where retail tenants are flexing their muscles and demanding lower rents with GPT's portfolio exposed ~50% to retail from memory.
Having read the majority of the broker research following GPT's interim result today, the key theme coming out of the research echoes the views I expressed earlier, extracted in the quote above. Namely, GPT management have admitted that hitting their earnings growth target of CPI +1% growth in FY14 will be a challenge. Particularly given comparable rental growth in their office and retail portfolios is close to zero and the low hanging fruit has been picked off.
Share: | GPT |
Date: | 27-Sep-13 |
Closing Price | 3.52 |
Issued Shares | 1,694,888,368 |
Capital | 5,966,007,055 |
Earnings $ | 0.3360 |
ROE | 9.55% |
Dist $ | 0.198 |
Yield % | 5.63% |
P/E | 10.48 |
NTA $ | 3.73 |
Discount to NTA | 5.63% |
It is about time we heard from the management of GPT. It is all very well to have really low debt gearing, high occupancy and to have a war chest of $2 billion plus, but it is pointless if no-one knows what they intend to do with it and where the management and board see GPT going in the future.
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Todays announcement was well received by the market, even if volumes were still relatively low. It will be interesting to see if there is any flow on from tomorrows press coverage. As always do your own research and good luck.
Hi nulla nulla
I have noticed a few other REITs heavily weighted to retail beginning to show positive signs and charts similar to GPT (eg WRT and CFX). Do you think there is a shift in sentiment towards retail driving this? I wonder how sustainable this is...
I'm starting to get concerned that the market is losing faith with the GPT Management and Board.
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