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The wager was always on, because I stood by what I said about the POG. I was calling another top, and got the normal bashing, of which we spoke, from the normal culprits. Well not all of them, I think a few thought better of it, this time around.
There are going to be solid levels of resistance to a rise I am thinking,
Hi Ann
Point taken. However I am a person who sees things and feels when metal comes but naive to read the charts.
But charts only based on past and then extrapolates. It important but can not work alone without fundamentals.
So let us see what your chart predicts today on gold price in next 6 months and see what the real price.
I will do the same to see how my fundamental analysis works. Of course environment changes and quoting 1971 is too far a shot.
Personally my four gold stocks are going south so I will be happier if your charts foretell better gold prices for sure
I was always expecting a retracement from the August Highs but not quite this deep, however, now that it is on its current cycle I wont be surprised to see it test $1120 early next year. I still think if it gets down to $1070 you will see a Bull stampede for an extended period.
Re the resistance to a future rise, i see it differently ... Last 2 months the fall has been sharp with minimal consolidation areas so the resistance on the return journey should be equally as "easy". The quicker it goes lower the more Bullish I'll get on the next leg up.
PS My wager debt has been paid to Joe. Anyone who wishes to confirm that may ask him with my blessingI am poorer for the experience but happy that I have donated to a good cause ... I intend to win next months tipping comp anyway so nothing lost really :
G'day So Cynical,
With those wee charts they have on Kitco, they are in Log scale and squished up small making them slightly distorted. Good for a quick overview, just hard to draw reliable lines on them. I have drawn a quick 10 year chart in Log for you, without the distortion of a minimized chart. You will see a bit of a different story, without the distortion.
. It could get down to a long term support from 2010 of $1058. That looks like a really strong level. If that is breached it may be ugly.
Trouble as I see it, there are points where overhead resistance has been caused by past rises during its fall. These will all be offering resistance points. $1220 being an important level. Then 1300. Plus not forgetting that massive overhead falling resistance line coming from 2011.
I had no doubt you would give that to Joe, you are a really good sport and he is the quiet, awesome one.I would be happy to lose a bet with Joe as the recipient. Just not with those tipping contests, I am crap with those! So good luck!
Barney :cup:
the Cayman Island long-nosed gator pattern .....i knew you'd ask ..
Damn it Joules ... There are a lot of Gold Bears in the woods at present and if you are one of them I am genuinely concerned..... More input from you please Sir as I don't wish to turn into Goldilocks
the ideal level i was/am expecting a reverse swing or at least an attempt to feign a reverse of "some" magnitude (as my technique has a requisit of ratios/symmetry I have to wait to see a low established and the construct of that) is in the 1139 -1116 zone of the front month cfd (my measures say 1116's is a 'better' fit).. the 78.6% retrace of the whole upmove todate is also in the 1116's zone
..... so going back to the bullish extreme sentiment, it needs to be clear that after 5 years of bear market the rampant desire to own PM's is completely at odds with the % of the weekly decline(s) and the relatively minute amount of time taken in the current bounce....it just doesnt fit the picture of a new bull phase and yet fits the picture perfectly of a bounce that small traders (and trend following managers) want desperately to be an uptrend
.... my guess is we've almost completed A (up) and B (down) with C (up) to come ......but first we need to get a little palpable fear into the print......the kind of fear that makes the anti gold nuts come out confidence and wave the toldya-so flag around
these are relative to size and of course the context needs to be taken into account, that means what type of moves (progressive or pro-regressive) .......
....stepping much further back in the view, the weekly overhead downtrend line has printed neatly as the roof
....it is hard to see gold/silver heading north until we get to the level where every donkey is calling for much much lower levels
.... when all retailers start using emotive logic to describe outlandish lower numbers and it becomes normal type then we can expect that to play into the bid side
.... i run out of texaco chances at 1116's for deep pocket bids to come play,
What scares me is that after I read your response for the third time (and I stopped drinking beer)..
....... I felt I was speaking fluent "Joules"
Thanks for your input Sir J .... anything you say on Gold I have much respect for!!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but to translate for those that don't speak "Joules" ...... 2016 has seen an expected bounce in the long downtrend but the current return to the downtrend is as expected. We could well see a possible Bull bounce from the current downtrend around your predicted 1116 levels depending on price action etc etc but without some sustained commitment from the Bull side, the downtrend remains the trend. I hope I have done your long reply justice?
Interestingly, if I have the above translation relatively correct, i agree very closely with your analysis, with the exception that if Gold actually dips under your 1116 level and reaches 1069 (almost to the pip) then reverses to the upside with some gusto, I have it pegged as the bottom of the Bear. I agree if it bounces off a level higher than that and doesn't test 1069, there will likely be a lot less steam in the pipes and all bets are off ... If it breaks the December 2015 lows I expect some personal pain with my Gold stocks!!... I've had pain before however and will likely survive
PS Just noticed on that other thread of your reference to "Guitars" ...... If you are also a guitarist, speaking "Joules" just made more sense lol ....
cheers, Barney
there's a good evidence some commercials have unwound but not aggressively seeking cheap supply in the area we're in now, again, adding to the idea we have lower to range,
i'll be looking for signature moves that say there's an intent to rotate price north or an intent to force rebalancing of longs, as frankly, if gold was back on its bear leg we'd already be much much lower
https://www.tradingfloorchat.com/room/5-stock-chat
free to follow the timeline .....you'll need a 1 min cfd front month contract chart real time
www.timingcharts.com COT shows commercials were at a significantly reduced STO positions this weeks report at -167K versus the swing low in late May 31st report at -214k
and on friday one of my ratios was hit on a marginal hourly lower low pog ..so relatively speaking and with context of the swing-sizes in mind (and the bull leg in $DX) we'd have to say there's a good evidence some commercials have unwound but not aggressively seeking cheap supply in the area we're in now, again, adding to the idea we have lower to
look for the puke trade and mind the gap
Quant? Do you use quantitative analysis or just like the name? I am keen to see your chart analysis. Thanks.i think lows in gold are only days away , i rarely trade gold but i think opportunity is about to knock , will get back here when the day is nigh with some charts .
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