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Gold Price - Where is it heading?

Hello kennas,


Hey, I’m great thanks. Still waiting to see if there is a Melbourne get together mark II, but hopefully you won’t be left high and dry this time!

Ok, I can see you’re a sceptic, and I recognise this, because so am I. But I spent years researching this stuff and found people who know a lot about it. In fact I had a couple of study groups for a few years which really helped.

Sure, any market analysis is necessarily flawed, and as Mark Douglas says “anything can happen”, and “every moment in the market is unique”.

Check out the demonstration in the “Improving chart analysis” thread on Brent and light crude for an example of how this time cycle approach can work. This is actually a Gann based time cycle approach, but I certainly pay a lot of attention to wave structure as an element in the mix, but it is pattern that is paramount.

As for EW – what kind of study have you done? wavepicker is probably the most knowledgeable and advanced EW player I know, and the process is quite involved, and takes years to master (as does the Gann method). The EW style is actually very effective but in the right circumstances. Sometimes it is irrelevant or just not applicable – same for time cycles. The art is in knowing how to use these to trade. Prechter and Frost’s work is about the best I’ve seen.

Just because you can’t see the patterns and understand them, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. And sure, many apparent patterns will not work out… But the concept is to deal in probabilities and pattern recognition just like any good T/A is all about.

Go and have a look at wavepicker’s forecast, and see if you agree that it’s pretty close to what happened. Forecasting is an art. Of course the practitioner will get it wrong sometimes, and should set criteria in place to identify when this happens invalidating the pattern, and take the appropriate action. But when these are right, do the math. Imagine having a forecast well in advance and being able to trade it successfully. Imagine trading that with leverage, and you’ll get the idea of the possibilities.

Regards


Magdoran
 
Hello Kennas,



Kennas the Elliott Wave Principle is used most effectively with the most liquid markets/ stocks. Those illiquid penny dreadfalls can be a handfull to trade using any TA system. Of the liquid markets/stocks, as far as I am concerned they all follow the EWP. It's up to you to recognize the wavestructure, patterns, and probabilities of alternate counts within that instrument. The EWP in this aspect is unique in that it gives rules and guidelines to follow, making it one of the most objective of all methods. This is where most unsuccesfull practitioners fail. As with most systems, it's the lack of discipline to follow it that kills them.


I'm still trying to fit the XAO into an EW count and it's impossible. This to me would tend to suggest that as the XAO is a summary of many stocks, and it can't fit, then it doesn't work.

To the contrary, the XAO has a beautifully structured long term wave pattern, they don't get much better than this. The fact that it is a combination of many stocks and thus an excellent representation of social mood. I had some EW charts from 2-3 weeks ago, but I was unable to upload them due to file size limits. I emailed them to Swingstar, Mag, and Richkid.

As Mag has said, whether it be Gann, Elliott, cycles analysis etc, they all take years to master. I would suggest looking at realtime prices in a fast moving markets to look at specific patterns to speed up learning if you are interested in this sort of approach.

As for Gold, it has been tracking pretty well to the EW count made back in June. That was a long time ago, I am not sure whether it will continue to do so. But I will stick to this pattern until it becomes invalidated. At the moment it has not.

Cheers
 
Thanks WP, I haven't given up. I'm determined to master as many trading techniques as possible. I have a least 30 years left to do that I think. Hopefully I find something that works best for me soon and I can make it work. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers.
 
Gold slipping under $620 again overnight, probably due to good inflation number out of the US and I think the $US is up a bit. While inflation is contained and $US keeps holding up I think gold is going to continue to track sideways and down. This can not happen for ever though. US is still structurally weak under mountains of debt which is unsustainable. The international markets already know this, they just need an excuse to start dumping $US and buying other currencies including gold as a hedge and safety net.
 

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Agree with your comments kennas, only prob is that could be as long as a year before this starts to happen.

Looking at the POG from a positive side however, if it does go lower to say $490 or even slightly under, then think of the buying opportunity assuming the bull was to continue.

Cheers
 
I agree, well said.

cheers
 
I have plotted out the two possible ways that I see gold going in the short/medium term by applying E/W theory the way I see and understand it. Do any Ellioticians (sorry Rich ) see it this way or are able to show me where I've gone astray. Much Appreciated
Thanks...
 

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Re: GOLD Where is it heading?


Well we are currently half-way through November, and drawing close to years end and gold is still a fair way from $800oz, in fact, it's a fair distance from $700oz.

jog on
d998
 
read what is said on www. thebulliondesk.com what the expert are saying...its ALL good news for GOLD buffs.....US$$ are in decline....and with Russia and China going for Gold....sounds like the olympic games....US $ is going down.....read it for yourself......
 
Would that be the experts who went to the same school as this one?

GP
 

Most foreign governments have a large stake in maintaining the US trade deficit, and thus, a strong dollar. Thus Central banks keep accumulating dollars.

The practice of buying dollars for this purpose is reinforced by a further very important consideration, and that is the ever increasing needs of the worlds markets to transact in a single currency.

That currency is the US$.
Once a currency achieves this status, it is very difficult to unseat the King.
Currently, the US$ accounts for 88.7% of all transactions. This drives the requirement for an ever expanding supply of dollars [read increased demand] thus maintaining the dollar strength.

Thus in this context, what does that say about Gold?

jog on
d998
 
Commercials seem to be adding to their SHORTS
 

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Present UP move without support ?
two dn weeks on low vol ?
weekly chart
 

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Spot said:
Present UP move without support ?
two dn weeks on low vol ?
weekly chart

Spot, am I missing something here, that chart looks like the May 2004 chart??
 
Sorry !

Here's the correct Chart

IMHO
Still the same picture -- UP move without support
This weeks DN with low Vol may be very S/T bullish
 

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Just a alternative indicator

Theory being POG is a Liquidity Indicator , hence leads the banking sector .

POG can track GS - NY for a considible period of time

If the EW counts are right then GS will hit a high of around $190 , then commence a A,B,C decline

The attached charts show that this may be in the making now
 

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A Hedge Fund managers perspective;


jog on
d998
 
d998


Have been stewing over the same type of view.

Come up with holding the physical in it's various forms only.

If one of the main reasons for holding gold is inflation, then surely any margin the miners make is going to be wiped out by rising costs (juniors excepted)

The time to be getting into the major/mid cap miners is probably over and time to start accumalating the physical on major dips is here.
 
Gold rises on eroding dollar

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20,
SINGAPORE: Gold rose for the second day amid speculation that the Federal Reserve may not raise interest rates further, eroding the value of the dollar and boosting the bullion's appeal as an alternative investment.

Gold for immediate delivery rose as much as 3.08 dollar to 624.78 dollar an ounce while Gold futures for December delivery rose 1.80 dollar to 624.30 dollar an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange in after-hours electronic trading.

A housing slump in the US may discourage the Fed from changing its overnight lending rate, after two years of increases to 5.25 per cent, according to analysts survey.


Holding above $620 still. I'm still on the fence which way it's going short term. Wating for that magic break through $640 which will be the start of the bext bull IMO.
 

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Spot said:
Come up with holding the physical in it's various forms only
Do you mean the stuff that jingles in your pockets or one of the various proxies, e.g. ETFs?
 
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