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At best they waffle on about risk management
and position sizing etc
Purely My
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Interesting comments, but pick up the Jack Schwager books, and you will see many different successful ways of trading ... look at what is common between them.
Find an edge, exploit that edge as much as possible, in most trading, 1 good or few trades or few months, can make a year. It is not about being right
He scared you out and then he bored you out
He accumulated and distributed
Find an edge, exploit that edge as much as possible, in most trading, 1 good or few trades or few months, can make a year. It is not about being right, just turning up with your dish each night regardless
Have you studied his books, from your post I doubt it.
Gann was a good trader over many years. He also put in many years of historical research, in those days spending years at the library collecting data from old newspaper. From such work (there were many others) has grown the foundation of much we now enjoy aided by our computers to make good trades if we follows the rules and have the discipline.
It is easy to make off handed criticism but Gann's work is extensive and a lot of study of him is required to gain the whole benefit and picture of where he is coming from. I do not profess to know it all, and as a trader very fallable as most who are truthfull admit, but many basics of Gann have stood me in good stead. eg. sell when everyone else is buying and vice versa and above all follow the trend of not just the stock but particularly the product that is making it so.
However in this dscipline Gann is only a small part, there are very many other great traders and writers of same to be digested over time to, in fact the way that the markets change so rapidly we need to gleen all that we can get our hands on.
Often I also see crticisms of Robert Kyosaki, sure his focus is on selling books but his words are very good for those seeking to learn about investing, they are all starting points only, and if they did not provide them someone else would and they too would be criticised for putting there hand out.
When you have produced what these types of researchers have put forward then just maybe one can criticise. I suspect however with the scholarship requied to do that you may then find yorself holding them up in admiration.
No one today would set off like Burke and Wills to cross the continent, they did, they died and it could be said that they were a failure. However they are held up as great pioneers opening up a dry and hostile country.
So lets look at the good in Gann and many others and thank them for the legacy left to us for the taking if we bother to pick up the books. And you dont have to spend a cent, it can be picked up on the net with ease these days.
Bunyip Beamstas and other like minded Lemmings . I cant be bothered answering your simplistic and narrow minded questions anymore . Mushroom farming must be a lucrative business as you guys seem to be multiplying by the minute . Based on your assertion you seem to have already aquired a detailed and intuitive understanding on the techniques and applications of Gann so why ask me to outline the parameters of my trading system . And so it is another blinded Lemming joins the line . Thankyou for not raining on my parade and if you will allow me to offer you some advice may I kindly suggest that you migrate back to hotcopper in time for the mating season . in other words p+++ss off .
Yep and aint that a text book out come
"You don't understand, you're not open to our way, I'm wasting my time"
No idea weather Gann made money or not or if Gann methods once learnt will offer a sizable edge greater than the correct application of other trading methods. But its clear that no one that has come through this site can show the slightest evidence of a series of real trades and application.
And so the skeptics grow not through being close minded but through being inquisitive and looking into the box. As always with Gann finding that the actions of the very people that sing its praise are holding nothing..... again!!
One of Gann's quotes was 'The first higher bottom is the safest place to buy, and the first lower top is the safest place to sell'
My question is simply this how do you know where that first higher bottom is or if it is going to continue to go down so once again we use a look (pattern ,fib retracement or EW ) to give us a clue or am I missing something?
Bunyip Beamstas and other like minded Lemmings . I cant be bothered answering your simplistic and narrow minded questions anymore . Mushroom farming must be a lucrative business as you guys seem to be multiplying by the minute . Based on your assertion you seem to have already aquired a detailed and intuitive understanding on the techniques and applications of Gann so why ask me to outline the parameters of my trading system . And so it is another blinded Lemming joins the line . Thankyou for not raining on my parade and if you will allow me to offer you some advice may I kindly suggest that you migrate back to hotcopper in time for the mating season . in other words p+++ss off .
One of Gann's quotes was 'The first higher bottom is the safest place to buy, and the first lower top is the safest place to sell'
My question is simply this how do you know where that first higher bottom is or if it is going to continue to go down so once again we use a look (pattern ,fib retracement or EW ) to give us a clue or am I missing something?
.... but I still find it a very good way of identifying longer term trends as I am that type of investor (as distinct from a trader)...
That's cr@p, I've never studied Gann and I don't intend to. There are plenty of sources to study to understand the basics of charting - and most of the links and info can be found right here at ASF with a bit of searching.As I indicated in the last day here, Gann is one of the starting points for serious newcomers to understand the basics of charting.
I also find P&F a useful tool but it isn't only restricted to longer term trends.Point and figure is little used today but I still find it a very good way of identifying longer term trends as I am that type of investor (as distinct from a trader)
LMAO, a look at any chart will tell you the DOW is in a downtrend. The weekly chart is still very ugly.On a point and figure basis it is clear that the Dow Jones is in a downtrend, this type of information informs one for other decisions.
Gann diligently used the point and figure chart,wich from his historical research was consistently reliable at that time. There are rules to follow but on what is the uptick from the second low, being higher than the previous (bottom low) almost allways it would rise from that point and the bottom confirmed. A break below the line of the two bottoms was the stop loss but it was found this rarely occurred. Of course in todays context with so many traders following technical analysis this is much less the case. As I indicated in the last day here, Gann is one of the starting points for serious newcomers to understand the basics of charting. Point and figure is little used today but I still find it a very good way of identifying longer term trends as I am that type of investor (as distinct from a trader)
Depends where you are coming from. For the serious student I still believe he shouold be part of the carriculum. On a point and figure basis it is clear that the Dow Jones is in a downtrend, this type of information informs one for other decisions.
cheers explod
Explod, I think the end of your sentence above might explain quite a bit. Longer term investors may well find TA that suits them and could easily include EW, Gann, etc. However, for the short term trader, Gann particularly becomes too labour intensive for a one man band.
Perhaps this is more where the conflicts lie as long term investors using Gann techniques probably only trade very rarely and happily fill in their spare time with in-depth analysis. Whereas TH might be hitting the buy or sell buttons all day long.
Just a thought...
However, for the short term trader, Gann particularly becomes too labour intensive for a one man band.
But wait its not JUST that----its the ability to find a LONG TERM trend in EITHER direction which calls for hrs of in depth analysis which once found means that the exponent doesnt have to spend hrs any more looking for entry and exit---they just trade it.
On a point and figure basis it is clear that the Dow Jones is in a downtrend, this type of information informs one for other decisions.
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