Gann forecasts/real time trades

[captain black]

Monday 17th January tonight will be Top

US markets are closed tonight.

 

[motorway]

If you have read TTTA you will know who Robert Gordon is . Sails ? .. Or wasnt it on the reading list through SITM ?

My analysis indicates that The SP500 has topped and look for 1290 to hold . If we trade lower than this level on Monday opening we may see some good downside .

Is this a Forecast ?

These Gann Forecasts seem to be more observations of what is happening and what to look out for ?

With the SP500 analysis some cycles indicate that either Friday 14th January was Top at 1290 or Monday 17th January tonight will be Top so I am working with both possibilities .

Motorway

 

[TulipFX]

Can you please announce trades rather then vague market movements?

How much more clearer would you like me to make it for you ?
Would you like me to type it out in brail so you can comprehend it ?

Just in case you missed the point I am looking for a Top in the SP500 at approximately 1290 which happened on Friday close so if the price trades below that figure I will be sitting back in my armchair with a glass of Cognac watching the market and procastinating upon what I will do next .

This is all very Gann.

Something like this:

I Think SP500 will find a top, so will enter at 1285 upon confirmation 1290-1300 offers resistance.

My stop will be at about 1310, above this resistance point.

My first profit target will be 1215 where a previous high was made.

* This is not my opinion, just a quick look at the charts to see if I could find some general numbers which seem to make sense. I do not trade this market. This is not advice.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Corn Tuesday 4th January 2011 Seasonal Top.

Didn't corn turn out OK, Wysiwyg? According to Ginar's posts and charts it looks like it might be two right out of three.

Sails, I interpreted "seasonal" as the top for the corn season but after some research I realise the American corn season begins around June. Maybe "seasonal" is the climate seasons with it being winter now in America.

Regardless, corn has made a new high over 650 c/bushel.

 

[sails]

Sails, I interpreted "seasonal" as the top for the corn season but after some research I realise the American corn season begins around June. Maybe "seasonal" is the climate seasons with it being winter now in America.

Regardless, corn has made a new high over 650 c/bushel.

Wysiwyg, I think "seasonal" is Gann speak in this context and not necessarily anything to do with physical corn seasons. If I remember correctly, the Gann emblem is based on it's own seasons. Perhaps RobertGordon can clarify as it's been a long time now since studying Gann...

On that basis a Gann seasonal high doesn't necessarily mean the trend is over. I found Gann very subjective and so will be interested to see how RobertGordon explains what he meant by "seasonal".

 

[luke256]

My understanding of seasonal dates in regards to Gann is the date for change of seasons based on the position of the earth as it rotates around the sun. See image below:



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season

As for the Gann emblem it is commonly placed on a major high or low. Then dates are calculated forward based on the degrees 90 degrees, 120 degress etc of the emblem. At these dates you would look for a signal for a change in trend.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Wysiwyg, I think "seasonal" is Gann speak in this context and not necessarily anything to do with physical corn seasons. If I remember correctly, the Gann emblem is based on it's own seasons. Perhaps RobertGordon can clarify as it's been a long time now since studying Gann...

On that basis a Gann seasonal high doesn't necessarily mean the trend is over. I found Gann very subjective and so will be interested to see how RobertGordon explains what he meant by "seasonal".

Sails, I found a quote from Gann which states the winter quarter starts on 22 Dec. So it is indeed climate related in which an "extreme high or extreme low" occurs. The "seasonal" top for corn did not occur as original poster stated.

SEASONAL CHANGES IN STOCKS

The average of stocks and many of the individual stocks make important bottoms and tops according to the Seasonal Changes, which are as follows:

The winter quarter begins December 22nd, and 15 days from this date is January 5th and 6th, which are always important dates to watch at the beginning of each year, as stocks often make extreme high or extreme low around these dates and a change of trend takes place.

(From Gann, W. D., W. D. Gann Stock Market Course, Lambert-Gann Publishing Company, Pomeroy, W. A.)

Mr. Gann followed this pattern to list February 5th, March 21st, May 6th, June 22, July 7th, August 8th, September 23rd and November 8th as seasonal times for a change in trend.

Individuals comment ...

What Gann was doing was relating the natural cycle of the seasons to market tops and bottoms (or turning points). The cycle of the seasons each year has an impact on not only agricultural markets (crops are harvested after the growing season, which creates an over supply and thus lower prices), but also in other markets (for example, heating oil prices rise in winter when heating oil is in great demand).

 

[luke256]

The "seasonal" top for corn did not occur as original poster stated.

Technically it is a seasonal top 4th January, see my previous post above for diagram of seasonal dates. Its probably better not to cut and paste random text if you dont understand what it is about.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Technically it is a seasonal top 4th January, see my previous post above for diagram of seasonal dates. Its probably better not to cut and paste random text if you dont understand what it is about.

It is probably better if you butt out with your pretty astrological copy and attach.

The seasonal top was not the 4 January as the poster stated. Comprehende?

 

[luke256]

The seasonal top was not the 4 January as the poster stated. Comprehende?

Robertgordens forcast was one day out. Isn't is reasonable to allow a day either side of the forecast date to look for a signal to trade the top/bottom......confirm the turn on a swing chart????

The actual seasonal date is 3rd of January 2011 (please see my pretty astrogical copy and attach above) the Corn top came in on 3rd of January. BINGO.

There was a top on the 3rd of January + on a seasonal date = seasonal top. Don't see what all the stress is about.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Robertgordens forcast was one day out. Isn't is reasonable to allow a day either side of the forecast date to look for a signal to trade the top/bottom......confirm the turn on a swing chart????

The actual seasonal date is 3rd of January 2011 (please see my pretty astrogical copy and attach above) the Corn top came in on 3rd of January. BINGO.

There was a top on the 3rd of January + on a seasonal date = seasonal top. Don't see what all the stress is about.

Nice twist.

 

[robertgordon]

Over the last few weeks I have been trying to work out how Gann forecast price levels in advance and today I discovered and learnt a few important things which should assist enable me in some cases to make more accurate pricing calls . The example with the SP500 Top is a good case in point as my Timing co ordinates indicate a Top at a detain date , but the pricing levels based upon Plannetary Longitude were a bit too far and scattered between so hopefully this new method that I discovered will serve a little way towards forward projecting Time and also provide a more precise price point , so it will take a little more time time to aquaint myself with this as it has a few scaling calculations etc but hopefully soon I will be able to project both a Time and maybe narrow it down to two solid price levels before the event takes place , please appreciate that the Time call might be a week or so in advance but the price projections might be one to two days in advance so its a work in progress.

 

[tech/a]

In advance is good

 

[TulipFX]

Robertgordens forcast was one day out. Isn't is reasonable to allow a day either side of the forecast date to look for a signal to trade the top/bottom......confirm the turn on a swing chart????

The actual seasonal date is 3rd of January 2011 (please see my pretty astrogical copy and attach above) the Corn top came in on 3rd of January. BINGO.

There was a top on the 3rd of January + on a seasonal date = seasonal top. Don't see what all the stress is about.

So you are short on this trade? Where did you place your stop? Did it get hit? The price of corn is far higher then 3rd of January.

I do not understand the playing of words to fool yourself into thinking you are right. The position is hundreds of points the wrong site. So whatever tricks you want to play with the definition of seasonal, the fact is the price of corn is significantly higher now.

I want trades to prove a system. Noone can argue with solid, well announced trades. On either side of the discussion.

 

[Ruby]

A bit off topic but it is somewhat curious that ginar and robertgordon both often put a space before a full stop or comma. It is quite an unusual habit (IMO) and wonder why they would both do this...

So does Motorway. I don't think anything should be read into it.

 

[sails]

TulipFX, I understood there was a high called for the 4th and then a low on the 10th with resumption of the trend. So, if it were traded, there would have been a short from the 4th to the 10th and then long again. How that is actually traded with entry, exit, stop and money management specifics would be a story in itself and it is what many would like to know how these calls are translated into a practical trading system.

For more info on both calls go to my post (#79) and then click on the green arrows to find the relevant posts and charts of the original posts.

I'm not trying to convince anyone with Gann methods, just trying to be fair and keep the facts straight...

 

[sails]

So does Motorway. I don't think anything should be read into it.

Thanks Ruby...

Had a quick look at Motorway's posts again, he tends to omit some full stops but the full stops he does use has no space between the end of the word and the stop.

Robertgordon and Ginar both were using this unusual method of quite consistently placing a space between the end of the word and the full stop. I have noticed since raising this that Robertgordon is now making an effort to put the full stop straight after the word.

I raised it more out of curiosity than anything else because I found it annoying to read. I tend to speed read and with the full stops were out in no mans land for me. So, when Ginar came up with the same writing style, it stood out like a sore thumb.

Haha, maybe I should have been in forensics...

 

[Ruby]

Thanks Ruby...

Had a quick look at Motorway's posts again, he tends to omit some full stops but the full stops he does use has no space between the end of the word and the stop.

Robertgordon and Ginar both were using this unusual method of quite consistently placing a space between the end of the word and the full stop. I have noticed since raising this that Robertgordon is now making an effort to put the full stop straight after the word.

I raised it more out of curiosity than anything else because I found it annoying to read. I tend to speed read and with the full stops were out in no mans land for me. So, when Ginar came up with the same writing style, it stood out like a sore thumb.

Haha, maybe I should have been in forensics...

Hmmm! The plot thickens! It stands out for me too, and reduces the easy readability. Have a look at Motorway's posts #64 and #82. (Sorry Motorway, just using you as an example.)

 

[sails]

Hmmm! The plot thickens! It stands out for me too, and reduces the easy readability. Have a look at Motorway's posts #64 and #82. (Sorry Motorway, just using you as an example.)

You're right with Motorway's posts in this thread, Ruby. I had a look at his Vitamin D thread. Seems more a typing issue with Motorway as full stops, spaces, question marks, etc seem to fall randomly. Robertgordon and Ginar were both very consistent with the space before a full stop, comma, etc.

Anyway, better let this thread go back on topic...

 

[ginar]

Thanks Ruby...

Had a quick look at Motorway's posts again, he tends to omit some full stops but the full stops he does use has no space between the end of the word and the stop.

Robertgordon and Ginar both were using this unusual method of quite consistently placing a space between the end of the word and the full stop. I have noticed since raising this that Robertgordon is now making an effort to put the full stop straight after the word.

I raised it more out of curiosity than anything else because I found it annoying to read. I tend to speed read and with the full stops were out in no mans land for me. So, when Ginar came up with the same writing style, it stood out like a sore thumb.

Haha, maybe I should have been in forensics...

There are some odd people on the net no doubt . conspiracy theories abound . full stops annoying ... give me a break .. stand out like sore thumbs ... youve obviously never had a sore thumb .

RG you are a gentleman , youve treated everyone here repectfully which is more than has been afforded you . tip my hat to you . Do you have a blog at all , if so a link would be nice . thank you