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Tech/A a lot of your volume analysis and chart patterns shown in the breakout thread can be found in Gann's How to Make Profits in Commodities written over 50 years ago (Form reading and signal days / gap sections). So it seems to me you are using gann analysis to some extent but are in denial about it lol.
Sorry this wet and gooey newbie got on a thread and got excited ... NOT . youve taken it over and its all yours ... its all about you ... how good you are and how terrrible everyone else seems to be ...FIGJAM comes to mind . sometimes i wonder why i bother
but if you read Gann's books most of it is about buy & sell points and trade management so you can trade CONSISTENTLY and PROFITABLY
a lot of your volume analysis and chart patterns shown in the breakout thread can be found in Gann's How to Make Profits in Commodities written over 50 years ago
Synopsis
Sepharial (1864-1929) had a life-long dislike of luck. He challenged himself to find what he called "scientific rules" that would eliminate chance. And, according to his own accounts, he succeed.
In Law of Values, he suggests buying stocks immediately after they have been clobbered by Saturn, with the price as low as it will get, and then selling the stock immediately after being hit by Jupiter, when the price is likely to be as high as it will ever go. And living off dividends between the two.
In
The Silver Key, a book on horse-racing, Sepharial examines, and discards, conventional numerology, colours and symbols, in favor of a method based on the Moon, weights and tides. His results are impressive.
The Arcana, or Stock and Share Key, was one of a number of secret financial manuscripts which Sepharial sold by subscription only. In it, you will discover the secret to using the Meridian in day trading. Sepharial also gives instructions for using dispositors and decans. This is first time the Arcana has appeared in print.
Astrologers looking to improve their techniques, as well as investors looking to improve their portfolios, will find these books of interest.
All I've asked is to show application of the analysis so people can see how its applied.
Thats what you do when you trade,apply the analysis.
I have (albeit a while ago) and cant say Ive seen anything of note.
Infact those who post Gann NEVER mention anything about it so it seems pretty obvious they Dont practice/follow Gann for the Trade management.
Tech/a you said:
"Infact those who post Gann NEVER mention anything about it so it seems pretty obvious they Dont practice/follow Gann for the Trade management."
- Just because people don't discuss Gann and his trade management on a forum doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Its great when you post that you give a detailed example but others may be more interested in some basic chat and see where it goes. If RobertGorden can post more successful turning points wouldn't you be more interested in how he calculates the dates???
Just because you can't use Gann rules to trade doesn't mean someone else can't.
Its great when you post that you give a detailed example but others may be more interested in some basic chat and see where it goes. If RobertGorden can post more successful turning points wouldn't you be more interested in how he calculates the dates???
"Many still have trouble grasping the application of trading Breakouts (The way I do).
Its not hard." toot toot.....toot toot
Once I moved from general theories which muddied my trading and concentrated purely on price and price movements, statistics and testing of price action I became profitable.
No matter which trade I take now, it is not a prediction, it is a statistical guess.
How true, a mirror of my own experience. The litmus test of any trading strategy for me is, does it suit my trading style.
This is quite a general observation as people will naturally construct or tailor their trading plans based upon a range of personalised factors much like when you sign up to Fernwood and fill out the questionare . Some people will only have limited time to monitor and conduct their trades as they are time poor and have external commitments therfore they can only allocate a small portion of their time to trading and system development . On the other hand the fulltime trader has the ability to monitor his positions and watch the fluctuations within the market on a realtime level . During times of quiet activity he can spend time researching ideas and streamlining his trading plan and evaluating his risk settings and parameters .
My predictions are not based upon a set of arbitrary observations . My calculations are based upon certain scientific principles and geometric values and when these factors move into alignment they usually co incide with a top or bottom .
These Timing Principles endeavour to measure the evolving peaks and troughs within the market as that is their primary function . These Techniques and methods are not orientated or designed to identifying breakout points or 180ema crossovers . Momentum based oscilators are an artificial intrepretation of price action and are effectively lagging indicators . Every movement within the market is a result of Natural Law and the cause exists long before the effect takes place so from my perspective it would be prudent to employ the techniques and methods that I have learnt over several years as a tool to identify and calculate possible high probability turning points.
Not everyone one of these turning points is going to be a high magnitude turning point .They might constitute a week long selloff point or a multi week selloff point but as I expained the intrinsic nature of my system is oriented towards locating turning points and entering into a position with a calculated level of risk and a forward based trading plan that will outline important time points in the future where my position may be at risk and other spiral price prokections based on the Square of Nine . A detailed risk analysis is a central componet of my trading system and dependent upon how many bushells are traded and how far my entry point off the top determines the overall risk on any given trade . So all of these componets are integrated and play an equally important role in my decision making and trade execution .
As Tech has outlined two forecasts arent much to go on and it is important to see how one fares over a range of market conditions and periods of volatility so bear with me and I will place a few more trades up in advance and outline the risk parameters on each trade and what contigency plan I have just in case the position moves against me . My style is geared towards waiting for a projected date to come in and then once all of the co ordinates and Timing lines up I will seek to use my squares and calculators to zero in on price . I think whilst one may have the ability to forward project high probability turning points one must also be able to accurately qualify a price level that can be proven geometrically and mathematically because its no good saying you expect a low on 18th March but the average range in corn might be 10c so depending upon your entry level you could be risking 500.00 on one contract so you can appreciate the importance of price alignment and time alignment
I have previously indicated that it is not within my interest or desire to post charts or diagrams associated with my research but I will endeavour to provide a reasonably detailed explanation on trade mechanics and the underlying reasoning behind each trade . The recent calls on Corn were out by one day which can and do occur from time to time but not everyones trading methodology can be consistently accurate over a large sample size of trades and please appreciate it is only early days and over the next few weeks or months I will be continuing on with my work and forecasting and endeavouring to trade live turning points within the commodity market as they prevail . I appreciate your request for charts and calculations but I am not here to provide a wholesale dissemination on the works and techniques of WD Gann .
If you have read TTTA you will know who Robert Gordon is . Sails ? .. Or wasnt it on the reading list through SITM ?
My analysis indicates that The SP500 has topped and look for 1290 to hold . If we trade lower than this level on Monday opening we may see some good downside .
Can you please announce trades rather then vague market movements?
My analysis indicates that The SP500 has topped and look for 1290 to hold . If we trade lower than this level on Monday opening we may see some good downside
Sugar 29.50 30th December should turn out to be Low .
Corn Tuesday 4th January 2011 Seasonal Top.
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Tonight we should see Lumber trade lower than than the 27th December Top 316 .
We can see that Time has moved beyond 180 degrees from the 23rd June 2010 Low and the current price of 316 is trading below the 45 degree angle . Time has also balanced from the Nov 4th Top to Nov 30th Low which equals 26 degrees , if we project 26 degrees out from Nov 30th we come close to balancing time into the 27th December Top 316.
Well tech, thanks for your partial misquote and misinterpretation of what I said. Selectively quoting someone out of context "doesn't cut it". What I actually said in full was...Keep seeing this and I find it just doesn't cut it. I've also seen it used at seminars when someone comes up with a fantastic question which absolutely nails the presenter.
Next you hear---"seriously this method wont suit every traders personality---if it doesn't suit you then find something that does"---- awkward moment avoided.
The litmus test for me is
DOES IT MAKE CONSISTENT PROFITS
After the event so consolation 1/1
Forecast and wrong. 1/2
Wrong. So one right out of three.
Corn January 10th should turn out to be counter trend low before resumption of uptrend.
well 4th pretty close to top , 10th swing low for resumption of uptrend . i'll keep an eye on it .
Tell you what im pretty impressed with the calls on corn so far , havent looked at any of the other calls . keep em coming
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