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wayneL said:
Pulling together is one thing, but giving in to tyranny without a whimper is quite another.
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wayneL said:
Pulling together is one thing, but giving in to tyranny without a whimper is quite another.
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Mate, doing your bit wearing a mask and doing the QR codes to help tracing is not tyranny.
And if you think France is the bees knees for citizen behaviour, well I don't.
 
Knobby22 said:
Mate, doing your bit wearing a mask and doing the QR codes to help tracing is not tyranny.
And if you think France is the bees knees for citizen behaviour, well I don't.
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The French are reacting to... Well you should at least acquaint yourself with their reasons, and I applaud them. BTW, msm is not reporting it but that's going on a hell of a lot more places than just France.

As far as QR codes and masks? How about extended lockdowns AKA house arrest. Browsing for shoes being a criminal offence, police brutality for Facebook posts, over-the-top and often unlawful enforcement of mask regulations.... Oh and how about vaccine passports and creating a medical apartheid, not being able to leave our own country or travel interstate... Plus a lot of other things that are coming down the sh¹t chute.

If that's not tyrrany, I don't know what is.... And of course it can be a whole lot worse.
 
Lockdowns are done imo. The public is to stretched to take much more.

Last year we had Jobkeeper/seeker. So it was like a paid holiday. But things turn desperate when the gravy turns off. It's completely different this time round. NSW will be luck to hold the situation before sht really blows up.
 
Yea, won't be too many more.
Melbourne wouldn't have had their latest if it wasn't for the rule breakers in Sydney coming down in the delivery van.

They knew they were at risk of having it (lived in the red zone and a colleague had caught it),
1.They didn't get tested,
2. They didn't wear masks
3. They didn't use QR codes
4. They lied to the tracers.

Dane Swan, a footballer and small business owner says they should be publicly shamed and locked up for life.
Selfish inconsiderate scum.
 
Actually this time the Feds and the State government are covering at least some lost wages quite quickly as well as business support. Lets hope they get on top of the outbreak by Tuesday. Certainly don't want to go down the NSW road

What's in the COVID Disaster Payment?​

Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews have reached an agreement which will see workers receive financial assistance if they are left substantially out of pocket by the state's latest five-day lockdown.

Under the agreement, Victorians will be eligible for a $600 COVID-19 disaster payment if they lose more than 20-hours of work due to the lockdown. Those who lose between eight and 20 hours of work will get $375.

The Federal Government will fund the payment in areas the Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer has declared a COVID-19 hotspot, while the state government would be responsible for the cost of payments to the rest of the state.

The Prime Minister and Federal Treasurer also said the Premier has agreed to provide "significant additional economic support for business", which it says ensures the financial burden is being shared across the two-levels of Government.
 
Sydney right now just does not give a fig, they are over it. Large groups of people have just said "stuff it don't care".

I don't think the $10000 liquid assets test for nsw has stopped so they can't get the payment yet till 3 weeks into lockdowns.

Last year I thought scomo was doing pretty good. This year he has thoroughly botched it.
 
Sounds like you have the pulse. Deputy Premiers daughter fined.
I was singing Scomo's praises this time last year.
 
Knobby22 said:
I was singing Scomo's praises this time last year.
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Not sure if I just haven't been watching, or the media isn't covering what he is saying. But it feels like he has been MIA these last few months.
I think I glanced a possible Lotto style win for people getting vaccinated in the media.
 
Knobby22 said:
He is only reacting, not leading.
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Knobby22 said:
He is only reacting, not leading.
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Yeah! I have some suggestions how he could be a better leader.

1/ Arrest all state premiers and banish them for a lengthy period to Christmas Island, perhaps forever but at least until they slavishly toe the pm's line. it should be a criminal offence for a state premier to be more authoritarian than a prime minister.

2/ Dissolve the federation, abolish the states and learn how Jinping installed himself as the leadership for life. Institute martial law, and issue Jack boots to all.

3/ Lockdown everybody forever, close or businesses (except of course, politicians, celebrities, footy players and multinational companies)

4/ Increase all fines for not wearing a stupid piece of ineffective cloth on your face to $1,000,000 or life imprisonment.

5/ Force everybody, regardless of medical status or misgivings of safety, to be administered experimental gene therapies. the military police should have the right to vent their totalitarian dreamings on the vaccine-hesitant... It would be easier for herr doktor to administer said gene therapy to the unconscious.

6/ Mandate the ABC to broadcast celebrities, sportspeople, and politicians living it up, restriction free, to increase the morale of the plebeians.

7/ Have nightly broadcasts from Der Fuhrer, Klaus Schwabb reminding us how happy we all are.

That's real leadership... Are you listening Scotty?
 
Nah, not the Australian way + we have the Westminster system and Prime Ministers can't do that and don't want to anyway.
I would just like him to plan ahead a little more.
We will get there.
 
Knobby22 said:
Nah, not the Australian way + we have the Westminster system and Prime Ministers can't do that and don't want to anyway.
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Indeed, which seems to be to a point many have forgotten.

The Greeks (quite ironically) seem to get it.... The plebeians anyway.

 
*Wonders if Carley will get a visit from the Stasi....

 
wayneL said:
*Wonders if Carley will get a visit from the Stasi....

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On one hand viruses are a reality and it was always going to backfire to have a world where someone can get from pretty much any place on the planet to any other place in less than 100 hours and in most situations considerably faster. From a purely medical perspective, that was always a house of cards bound to come crashing down at some point.

On the other hand, well our politicians have completely failed us in my view. If it were up to me, I'd take the PM plus all state Premiers, lock them physically in a single room, and inform them that nobody's coming out until they've got an effective quarantine and vaccination program ready to start immediate implementation and into which all required resources will be put.

There's going to be many people in similar circumstances to Carley who are being outright ruined by this situation and who've been effectively abandoned by governments applying selective policies to who gets assisted and who doesn't, states locking out their own residents and so on.

It's sowing the seeds of revolution if it continues too much longer........
 
The partial lockdown in NSW is failing.
We know why.

There are no votes to be won letting the virus run rampant and leading to 1000s of deaths so Gladys has no choice! Hard lockdown. That is the reality.

The people who let her and all the business owners down will be the same people whinging about loss of freedom and still will do their best to damage the economy going forward by, in effect, aiding and abetting the enemy by encouraging its spread.

So raise the flag of liberty, don't wear masks, travel more than 5km, attend illegal activities/parties, don't use QR codes, don't get tested if sick or in a hotspot and maybe you can extend the lockdown by a few weeks or even months destroying businesses as you go.

Because in their venal nature they ignore the part within Greek philosophy where in civil society people need to act for the greater good sometimes.
 
Unfortunately it's either lockdowns or vaccinations. Both are unpalatable to most libertarians.
 
moXJO said:
Unfortunately it's either lockdowns or vaccinations. Both are unpalatable to most libertarians.
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Libertarians suffer the dilemma of negative rights wrt to vaccinations, as their belief that the state cannot mandate vaccinations is subsumed by ones right not to be harmed by the action of another.
 
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