Freedom of speech and protest

[rederob]

Taking away someone's ability to get their message to the public is effectively silencing them !

eg if you were banned from this forum you could still keep tapping away at your computer but no one here could read what you wrote. Sure you could take your message elsewhere but a portion of your potential audience would have to suffer the absence of your wisdom.

Really!
All you are doing is removing a platform that conferred an opportunity.
Most of us don't have the means or opportunity to have our thoughts broadcast unfettered.
Try getting your message - whatever it is - on television or into one of the nation's most read newspapers.
The fact that you cannot does not mean you are silenced.

Maybe we should be grateful to @Joe Blow for making his life a misery as we tribally war through our collective wisdom in the small fishbowl representing our universe?

 

[wayneL]

I think the point is, that although you are "technically" correct Rob, in practice, there are ways to effectively shut people up.

Sure, I can say anything I want while I'm sitting by myself on the bog, but I am forced to self-censor in the current public environment.

If Australia goes the way of say, Scotland, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, then we are in deep doo-doo.

To avoid this, we must ensure people have a platform(s) to speak and debate.

 

[IFocus]

I think in this current age there has never been more opportunity to broadcast your views hence all the nut case conspiracy theory's that take off, QAnon great example.

What can silence you is law and the real risk continues to be laws made up for the sake of so called national security.

 

[Smurf1976]

I think the point is, that although you are "technically" correct Rob, in practice, there are ways to effectively shut people up.

This.

Apply today's environment to all manner of real, actual debates from the past and one or both sides could be shut down if someone so wished.

Take away their ability to use mainstream media or to occupy public spaces (eg for a rally) and they're not going to achieve overly much just chatting to their mates lamenting whatever situation they disagree with.

Go to the first meetings of any lobby group and pretty much the entire focus will be about how to get the message in the media. Anyone with contacts at any significant media organisation, or who otherwise knows how to get the issue covered, will immediately find themselves a "senior" person within that lobby group no matter who they are. Because everyone grasps that getting the message out is the key to all the rest, fail at that point and you won't achieve anything at all.

News Corp

Fairfax / Channel 9

ABC

Other commercial broadcast media especially talk radio

Mainstream social media especially Facebook

Between them they'll make or break you and each one you're not on cuts your reach and chance of success with whatever you're trying to do.

If the media won't work with you then you've got a problem. If they won't use some creative license to make it look like the 50 people who turned up was a capacity crowd, if they won't give fair coverage of whatever your point is, well then you've got a problem getting your message across to the masses.

A point often overlooked is that if you're trying to change mainstream opinion well the people you need to reach aren't those who turn up to your meetings or follow you on Facebook. No, the people you need to convince are the ones who are neutral or opposed but willing to hear and give consideration to ideas they disagree with.

Those who are opposed and whose minds are closed you've no chance of convincing so don't waste your time on them.

 

[rederob]

This.

Apply today's environment to all manner of real, actual debates from the past and one or both sides could be shut down if someone so wished.

Take away their ability to use mainstream media or to occupy public spaces (eg for a rally) and they're not going to achieve overly much just chatting to their mates lamenting whatever situation they disagree with.

Go to the first meetings of any lobby group and pretty much the entire focus will be about how to get the message in the media. Anyone with contacts at any significant media organisation, or who otherwise knows how to get the issue covered, will immediately find themselves a "senior" person within that lobby group no matter who they are. Because everyone grasps that getting the message out is the key to all the rest, fail at that point and you won't achieve anything at all.

News Corp

Fairfax / Channel 9

ABC

Other commercial broadcast media especially talk radio

Mainstream social media especially Facebook

Between them they'll make or break you and each one you're not on cuts your reach and chance of success with whatever you're trying to do.

If the media won't work with you then you've got a problem. If they won't use some creative license to make it look like the 50 people who turned up was a capacity crowd, if they won't give fair coverage of whatever your point is, well then you've got a problem getting your message across to the masses.

A point often overlooked is that if you're trying to change mainstream opinion well the people you need to reach aren't those who turn up to your meetings or follow you on Facebook. No, the people you need to convince are the ones who are neutral or opposed but willing to hear and give consideration to ideas they disagree with.

Those who are opposed and whose minds are closed you've no chance of convincing so don't waste your time on them.

Again, all you are doing is reflecting the power of money and the media, and it has nothing to do with free speech per se.
None of your examples show that the ability to express an opinion are silenced. Where and how your opinions are expressed in public are merely conditional.
If you want to have a wide audience for your opinions just use any of the many available social media platforms that a generation ago did not exist.

 

[moXJO]

We have people banned from entering this country because of their views. Be it rappers, self help gurus etc. And not because what they said was illegal.

 

[rederob]

We have people banned from entering this country because of their views. Be it rappers, self help gurus etc. And not because what they said was illegal.

So what?
Thousands of people wanting to come to Australia are denied visas each year. The high profile denials are usually based on character grounds which is often as much about what they did as what they said.
In any case, we don't have a Bill of Rights and we never had unconstrained free speech.
I am not sure that adding to the list of nutjobs - ie. the likes of Clive Palmer - already preaching nonsense in this country is beneficial.

 

[wayneL]

^^^ Lovely self defeating argument. LMAO

 

[Craton]

Friendly Jordies FB update 29 June 2021

A message from Xenophon Davis
"Bail condition prohibiting Kristo from passing by Parliament House lifted. He can go to school without fear of arrest. Looking forward to receiving the police evidence in a few weeks time. Thanks ⁦
@EKerkyasharian"

 

[basilio]

Here we are.

The golden opportunity for the Free and Fearless to have their own version of Twitter where the Trumpian calls can echo across the Great Plains of Freedom and support the American Dream..

GETTR is a brand new social media platform founded on the principles of free speech, independent thought and rejecting political censorship and “cancel culture”. With best in class technology, our goal is to create a marketplace of ideas in order to share freedom and democracy around the world.

Gettr is off the ground.

GETTR – Apps on Google Play

Marketplace of ideas

play.google.com

 

[basilio]

Here we are.

The golden opportunity for the Free and Fearless to have their own version of Twitter where the Trumpian calls can echo across the Great Plains of Freedom and support the American Dream..

GETTR is a brand new social media platform founded on the principles of free speech, independent thought and rejecting political censorship and “cancel culture”. With best in class technology, our goal is to create a marketplace of ideas in order to share freedom and democracy around the world.

Gettr is off the ground.

GETTR – Apps on Google Play

Marketplace of ideas

play.google.com

Just a few teething problems to overcome on a platform that attracts many colourful, creative characters and demands a platform for free speech.

'Team Trump' launched its alternative social media site to fanfare. It looks like it's already failed​

ABC Science
/
By technology reporter James Purtill
Posted Wed 7 Jul 2021 at 6:00amWednesday 7 Jul 2021 at 6:00am, updated Wed 7 Jul 2021 at 7:11amWednesday 7 Jul 2021 at 7:11am

Within hours of its launch, Gettr was having moderation problems.
(Supplied: Gettr)
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It was billed as "Team Trump's" answer to the problem of getting booted off mainstream social media — a digital platform where inciting a mob to storm a national government building would not be a bannable offence.

But one week in and it seems that answer is more elusive than ever before.

Gettr (pronounced Getter) would be a "marketplace of ideas" free from "woke tyranny" where no-one would be banned for their views, its creators said, when launching the site last week.

It's since been flooded with so many imposter accounts, pr0n and anti-conservative memes that its stewards have done something they'd set out to subvert: censor.

A Gettr promotional image showing a user named Cameron Miily actually uses a stock photo of a woman in Kazakhstan.
(Supplied: Gettr )

Even Australian MPs have been caught up — Peter Dutton's office said it's trying to get two profiles each claiming to belong to the Minister for Defence removed from the platform.

The site (its name apparently inspired by the words "getting together") now appears less like an alternative to Twitter and more like a murky world of make-believe and fancy dress, where every other account is selling commemorative MAGA coins or knock-off Viagra.

Team Trump launched its own social media site a week ago. It's already falling apart

It was billed as "Team Trump's" answer to the problem of getting booted off mainstream social media. One week on, experts say it's already doomed to fail.

www.abc.net.au

 

[moXJO]

Just a few teething problems to overcome on a platform that attracts many colourful, creative characters and demands a platform for free speech.

'Team Trump' launched its alternative social media site to fanfare. It looks like it's already failed​

ABC Science
/
By technology reporter James Purtill
Posted Wed 7 Jul 2021 at 6:00amWednesday 7 Jul 2021 at 6:00am, updated Wed 7 Jul 2021 at 7:11amWednesday 7 Jul 2021 at 7:11am
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Within hours of its launch, Gettr was having moderation problems.
(Supplied: Gettr)
Share

It was billed as "Team Trump's" answer to the problem of getting booted off mainstream social media — a digital platform where inciting a mob to storm a national government building would not be a bannable offence.

But one week in and it seems that answer is more elusive than ever before.

Gettr (pronounced Getter) would be a "marketplace of ideas" free from "woke tyranny" where no-one would be banned for their views, its creators said, when launching the site last week.

It's since been flooded with so many imposter accounts, pr0n and anti-conservative memes that its stewards have done something they'd set out to subvert: censor.

View attachment 127158
A Gettr promotional image showing a user named Cameron Miily actually uses a stock photo of a woman in Kazakhstan.
(Supplied: Gettr )

Even Australian MPs have been caught up — Peter Dutton's office said it's trying to get two profiles each claiming to belong to the Minister for Defence removed from the platform.

The site (its name apparently inspired by the words "getting together") now appears less like an alternative to Twitter and more like a murky world of make-believe and fancy dress, where every other account is selling commemorative MAGA coins or knock-off Viagra.

Team Trump launched its own social media site a week ago. It's already falling apart

It was billed as "Team Trump's" answer to the problem of getting booted off mainstream social media. One week on, experts say it's already doomed to fail.

www.abc.net.au

Welcome to 90s internet culture.
God only knows what they thought was going to happen.

 

[wayneL]

Haven't been on Twitter lately have you bas, full of trolls, imposters and actual terrorist organisations, while ordinary folks just expressing sane opinions get banned.... Not to mention the sitting president of the United States.

Try to get some intellectual balance in your life bro.

 

[wayneL]

What happened to the larrikin, anti-authoritarian Aussie?

True Blue is indeed "gone"?

 

[SirRumpole]

What happened to the larrikin, anti-authoritarian Aussie?

Priorities ?

I'd like to think we would all pull together in times of war, and covid is a war of sorts.

Lots of casualties anyway.

Put up the blackouts and look after each other seems the way to go.

 

[greggles]

I'd like to think we would all pull together in times of war, and covid is a war of sorts.

Lots of casualties anyway.

You mean like fighting each other in the aisles of supermarkets over toilet paper? That kind of pulling together?

 

[SirRumpole]

You mean like fighting each other in the aisles of supermarkets over toilet paper? That kind of pulling together?

Nah, those people are assholes, but you get some of those in any crisis.

Like black marketeers and spivs in the last war.

 

[basilio]

Great turn of events on the Friendly Jordies front. Crowd runding website has seen 24,000 people pony up $1m plus to ensure there is a proper legal defence against the defamation case.

Makes me wonder...

1) How much would Christian Porter raise to defend his reputation ?
2) How much would be raised to support a public prosecution of Christian Porter over the alleged rape of Kartherine Thornton ?

Friendlyjordies raises $1m to defend John Barilaro defamation case

‘Tens of thousands of Australians’ donate money to YouTube personality Jordan Shanks in defamation action brought by NSW deputy premier

www.theguardian.com

 

[wayneL]

Great turn of events on the Friendly Jordies front. Crowd runding website has seen 24,000 people pony up $1m plus to ensure there is a proper legal defence against the defamation case.

Makes me wonder...

1) How much would Christian Porter raise to defend his reputation ?
2) How much would be raised to support a public prosecution of Christian Porter over the alleged rape of Kartherine Thornton ?

Friendlyjordies raises $1m to defend John Barilaro defamation case

‘Tens of thousands of Australians’ donate money to YouTube personality Jordan Shanks in defamation action brought by NSW deputy premier

www.theguardian.com

I guess that would depend how much the media has convinced people over porter's assumed innocence or guilt.

What I find an interesting observation is the difference in integrity between different camps.

 

[wayneL]

Priorities ?

I'd like to think we would all pull together in times of war, and covid is a war of sorts.

Lots of casualties anyway.

Put up the blackouts and look after each other seems the way to go.

Pulling together is one thing, but giving in to tyranny without a whimper is quite another.