Freedom of speech and protest

[basilio]

SPC refuses to back down on vaccine mandate for staff

The fruit and vegetable giant is accused of refusing to respond to union concerns. But one expert says vaccine availability means mandates are likely legal.

www.afr.com

Far more thoughtful analysis.
And really ? All of the workers have lawyered up ?
SPC is going out of its way to assist workers to be vaccinated as well. As they should.

 

[wayneL]

SPC refuses to back down on vaccine mandate for staff

The fruit and vegetable giant is accused of refusing to respond to union concerns. But one expert says vaccine availability means mandates are likely legal.

www.afr.com

Far more thoughtful analysis.
And really ? All of the workers have lawyered up ?
SPC is going out of its way to assist workers to be vaccinated as well. As they should.

I consider myself to be very fortunate to be self employed. Almost all of my clients, apart from those who are being coerced into vaccination through threat of termination etcetera, are in the class of vax hesitant.

And that, in my opinion is the most reasonable position.

I consider myself lucky that I can retire at any point, because if my job relied on vaccination I would just quit... Immediately.

I so very fuel sorry for those who have concerns yet are forced into it...

In other words given the choice, most people would prefer to wait to see what happens with this... In my client list anyway.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds as though Victoria had the opportunity to test out the new crowd control gear.

Police consider shutting down transport system for future protests

Police say their response was justified by violence in the crowd, but the Police Accountability Project said pepper guns could cause serious injuries.

www.theage.com.au

From the article:
Anthony Kelly, trainer with Melbourne Activist Legal Support, said that while the organisation had not sent legal observers to the protests because of the threat from COVID-19 and the involvement of far-right and white nationalists in the anti-lockdown movement, it was concerned about the “high risk of injury” from the use of this kind of weaponry.

“Because of the risk of severe, permanent or life-threatening injuries their use should be limited to only the most extreme circumstances. The trouble with any of these weapons is if they are not used in a careful or proportionate way.”
In 2018, Victoria Police was granted more than $35 million from the Andrews government to underwrite a major escalation in the force’s anti-riot capabilities. Then chief commissioner Graham Ashton said the deployment of the new equipment would be “confronting”.
The Saturday protests are believed to be the first time Victoria Police has used the new weaponry against civilians. A Victoria Police spokeswoman said the force “hoped we would never have to use this equipment” but that it was important for the safety of officers to have the option if required.
“The crowd control equipment enables police to safely engage with people who choose to act in a violent manner from a greater distance without needing to engage in a hand-to-hand physical confrontation,” she said.

 

[basilio]

Could not beat this as a response to the insanity of anti lockdown protesters.

Anti-Lockdown Protesters To Be Sent To Afghanistan To Compare ‘Dictatorships’

A new reality TV show announced this week will send a group of anti-lockdown protesters to countries including Afghanistan, North Korea and Belarus so they can compare how dictatorships in Melbourne and Sydney measure up to the ones overseas.

Named ‘Dictator Exchange’ the show will kick off with a two-week stint in Kabul. “They’ll be left to their own devices to ‘do their own research’, which they’ll love,” series producer Alicia Lam said.

“We’ll organise the flight over, drop them in central Kabul and then leave them to do … whatever they want. Total freedom!”

The Afghanistan episode will include a series of challenges, including, ‘Create a social media post about how much you hate the leader’s new rules’, ‘Make your own anti-government sign’ and for women, ‘How long can you go without wearing a face covering?’

Lam said that, as with all reality shows, viewers could expect some fireworks early on. “Oh for sure, I’m expecting the contestants to get pretty antsy. It’ll make great TV. My guess? Twenty-four hours under the Taliban and they’ll be begging to come back. They won’t even complain about the 2-week quarantine they’ll have to do when they return”.

Anti-Lockdown Protesters To Be Sent To Afghanistan To Compare ‘Dictatorships’

"Let's see how long they can go without a face covering"

www.theshovel.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Bunch of ratbags set old Parliament House on fire.

Old Parliament House set on fire for second time as protests continue

The front entrance of Old Parliament House has been set on fire for the second consecutive week as protests continue outside the building.

www.abc.net.au

 

[The Triangle]

Bunch of ratbags set old Parliament House on fire.

Old Parliament House set on fire for second time as protests continue

The front entrance of Old Parliament House has been set on fire for the second consecutive week as protests continue outside the building.

www.abc.net.au

If they were anti-vax protesters it would have been called an insurrection by the media. But it was a peaceful aboriginal protest... so... must be a mistake, or the white man's fault. Surely there is video on this fire starting? ABC called it a smoking ceremony accident. I saw a smoking ceremony a few months back in Perth. No way would it have been possible to set those office buildings on fire unless there was a few bottles of petrol as well.

Glad to see post burning videos of police standing around... What are they protecting? people from running in to a burning building? What were they doing before the fire started?

 

[sptrawler]

Bunch of ratbags set old Parliament House on fire.

Old Parliament House set on fire for second time as protests continue

The front entrance of Old Parliament House has been set on fire for the second consecutive week as protests continue outside the building.

www.abc.net.au

Must be right wing radicals, they are the ones that do damage, they were probably hiding amongst the protestors. Lol

 

[Knobby22]

Must be right wing radicals, they are the ones that do damage, they were probably hiding amongst the protestors. Lol

Sovereign citizens. Dangerous.

 

[wayneL]

Sovereign citizens. Dangerous.

What is a sovereign citizen. And what is a non-sovereign citizen?

 

[sptrawler]

Dont have to be sovereign to be dangerous, dont even have to be a citizen, just have to have a nasty streak.

 

[Knobby22]

What is a sovereign citizen. And what is a non-sovereign citizen?

You tell me.

 

[wayneL]

You tell me.

Ah, passive aggressive.... Okay.

Well Google says that a sovereign citizen is someone who follows the Freeman on the land movement... I hadn't made that connection, but ok fair enough.

Google is less illuminating on what a non-sovereign citizen is. however a non-sovereign state appears to be a a state that is either not recognised, or exists only as the client of a superior state. as far as individual citizens are concerned, it seems to imply to me, that you are a subject a superior state.

I think there is actually quite a lot to think about there to be honest.

 

[SirRumpole]

What is a sovereign citizen. And what is a non-sovereign citizen?

People who don't think that the law applies to them.

 

[wayneL]

People who don't think that the law applies to them.

As far as I understand Horace, from a cursory perusal of their beliefs, that they do actually strongly believe in the common law. It is statutory legislation were it seems that they have their problem..

 

[SirRumpole]

As far as I understand Horace, from a cursory perusal of their beliefs, that they do actually strongly believe in the common law. It is statutory legislation were it seems that they have their problem..

There are Courts of Appeal for that sort of thing.

 

[Knobby22]

People who don't think that the law applies to them.

I would go further.

Anti citizens. Working against common interests for self interest. This particular movement started as a way to intellectually justify their selfishness e.g. the right to practice tax avoidance.

Basically they are just another form of anarchist. They damage the state from within.

 

[sptrawler]

I would go further.

Anti citizens. Working against common interests for self interest. This particular movement started as a way to intellectually justify their selfishness e.g. the right to practice tax avoidance.

Basically they are just another form of anarchist. They damage the state from within.

To me it is just people using the name of a cause to behave badly, it is nothing but vandalism, people have still got to fork out money to repair their disgracefull behaviour.
Taxpayers go to work to pay for welfare and now they have to go to work to repair wilfull damage.
The sad part is, those who do the damage feel they have the right to inflict that burden on the worker.
They are just common criminals IMO.
The age of entitlement.

 

[wayneL]

I thought it was indigenous that caused the fire?

 

[sptrawler]

I thought it was indigenous that caused the fire?

Does it matter, disgraceful behaviour isn't race specific, it just shows a calous lack of respect.
Funnily enough the ones who show a lack of respect, are usually the first to get indignant, if they feel they have been disrespected.
Like I said, we live in an age of entitlement, where the only ones who aren't entitled are those who go to work to pay taxes to fund the entitled.

 

[Smurf1976]

Sums the whole situation up brilliantly in my view: