Freedom of speech and protest

[dutchie]

Big Tech is censoring people. Yay

or more specifically,
Big Tech is censoring people we don't like. Yay

 

[Smurf1976]

Big Tech is censoring people. Yay

or more specifically,
Big Tech is censoring people we don't like. Yay

That and Trump are both very serious problems.

If anyone doubts the value of free speech and why it should prevail regardless of the message then they need to look no further than the outcome of the US elections to see that yes, people can think and no, there’s no need to gag those we disagree with.

That said, inciting violence is one case where censorship arguably is justified so long as it’s applied without bias as to who is being censored.

 

[rederob]

That and Trump are both very serious problems.

If anyone doubts the value of free speech and why it should prevail regardless of the message then they need to look no further than the outcome of the US elections to see that yes, people can think and no, there’s no need to gag those we disagree with.

That said, inciting violence is one case where censorship arguably is justified so long as it’s applied without bias as to who is being censored.

Big Tech happen also to be corporations you can invest in. And corporations have a social responsibility aside from a commercial imperative. That social responsibility should include not giving oxygen to commentary that is inciteful or damaging.
Providing platforms for fascists, liars or lunatics to peddle their stock in trade makes no sense from a societal perspective, although Fox certainly worked out how it could be commercialised. And Trump worked out how to "weaponise" it from a political perspective.
Yesterday was a culmination of years of working the media whereby Trump planted the seeds, collected the dead wood, poured over petrol, lit the match and hope for the best.
Even after the calamity that occurred within the Capitol building earlier yesterday, over 100 Republican members of Congress continued to support the lies Trump spouted about the stolen election and voted against certifying the will of the people in several States. That's what happens when free speech is allowed to be weaponised. America is now left a divided nation because their right to lie with impunity has consequences.

 

[SirRumpole]

Big Tech happen also to be corporations you can invest in. And corporations have a social responsibility aside from a commercial imperative. That social responsibility should include not giving oxygen to commentary that is inciteful or damaging.
Providing platforms for fascists, liars or lunatics to peddle their stock in trade makes no sense from a societal perspective, although Fox certainly worked out how it could be commercialised. And Trump worked out how to "weaponise" it from a political perspective.
Yesterday was a culmination of years of working the media whereby Trump planted the seeds, collected the dead wood, poured over petrol, lit the match and hope for the best.
Even after the calamity that occurred within the Capitol building earlier yesterday, over 100 Republican members of Congress continued to support the lies Trump spouted about the stolen election and voted against certifying the will of the people in several States. That's what happens when free speech is allowed to be weaponised. America is now left a divided nation because their right to lie with impunity has consequences.

in my view people who lie are worse off when their lies are publicly exposed rather than just being stifled.

As I said before, censoring them makes them look like martyrs and fuels suspicions they they are being silenced by the 'elites' or 'communists' or <fill in your repressive group of choice>.

It's better to have the loonies out in the open where they can be seen rather than bubbling under the surface.

 

[moXJO]

Big Tech happen also to be corporations you can invest in. And corporations have a social responsibility aside from a commercial imperative. That social responsibility should include not giving oxygen to commentary that is inciteful or damaging.
Providing platforms for fascists, liars or lunatics to peddle their stock in trade makes no sense from a societal perspective, although Fox certainly worked out how it could be commercialised. And Trump worked out how to "weaponise" it from a political perspective.
Yesterday was a culmination of years of working the media whereby Trump planted the seeds, collected the dead wood, poured over petrol, lit the match and hope for the best.
Even after the calamity that occurred within the Capitol building earlier yesterday, over 100 Republican members of Congress continued to support the lies Trump spouted about the stolen election and voted against certifying the will of the people in several States. That's what happens when free speech is allowed to be weaponised. America is now left a divided nation because their right to lie with impunity has consequences.

We have had cities burned and looted that included court houses and federal buildings, people killed and businesses destroyed all by ongoing riots. These affect actual people.

Or we had the people take it to the government yesterday and voice their displeasure at what happened this election.

So everyone can spare me the moral outrage.
The funniest thing is that Trump brought in the 10 years mandatory sentencing for damages to federal buildings. So these guys are going to jail.

 

[dutchie]

We have had cities burned and looted that included court houses and federal buildings, people killed and businesses destroyed all by ongoing riots. These affect actual people.

The instigators of those riots and the violence -the big fascist group Antifa and the racist BLM - according to Joe, is just an idea, so it's OK

So everyone can spare me the moral outrage.

So many hypocrites here.

 

[rederob]

We have had cities burned and looted that included court houses and federal buildings, people killed and businesses destroyed all by ongoing riots. These affect actual people.

Or we had the people take it to the government yesterday and voice their displeasure at what happened this election.

So everyone can spare me the moral outrage.
The funniest thing is that Trump brought in the 10 years mandatory sentencing for damages to federal buildings. So these guys are going to jail.

The topic is "Freedom of Speech."
The President told his supporters to go to the Capitol building after months fomenting their anger with a cascade of lies.
This is not about moral outrage but, instead, is the culmination of a relentless attack on the bastions of democracy that ultimately led to the killing of a person who was trying to break into the barricaded House of Representatives.
Find a precedent if you can!

 

[dutchie]

This is not about moral outrage but, instead, is the culmination of a relentless attack on the bastions of democracy
Find a precedent if you can!

Is that similar to the unrelenting attack on the bastions of democracy perpetrated on the elected President of the USA which went on for over 4 years, and started before he was actually inaugurated. Or are you just a hypocrite?

 

[IFocus]

The topic is "Freedom of Speech."
The President told his supporters to go to the Capitol building after months fomenting their anger with a cascade of lies.
This is not about moral outrage but, instead, is the culmination of a relentless attack on the bastions of democracy that ultimately led to the killing of a person who was trying to break into the barricaded House of Representatives.
Find a precedent if you can!

Exactly, Trump (remember is the President of the USA) and his children, lawyer and sycophant senators / congressmen exercised their freedom of speech by inciting a collection of fringe elements to attack the centre of federal democratic rule in the USA based on a fraud.

Putin who has tried for so long to get the same result using the same means can be heard cheering in the back ground for Trump using his modus operandi.

Who needs enemy's when you have Trump to sow division?

 

[bellenuit]

Is that similar to the unrelenting attack on the bastions of democracy perpetrated on the elected President of the USA which went on for over 4 years, and started before he was actually inaugurated. Or are you just a hypocrite?

Yes. They were a lot smarter than you lot and could see what he was long before he took office. You guys can't even work it out after what happened in DC two days ago.

 

[dutchie]

Yes. They were a lot smarter than you lot and could see what he was long before he took office. You guys can't even work it out after what happened in DC two days ago.

LOL

 

[wayneL]

This thread is comedy gold.

Yes. They were a lot smarter than you lot and could see what he was long before he took office. You guys can't even work it out after what happened in DC two days ago.

Comedic.

Sow to the wind, reap a whirlwind bro.

 

[SirRumpole]

Sow to the wind, reap a whirlwind bro.

Tell it to Trump.

 

[wayneL]

Tell it to Trump.

We'll see... and revisit this at the appropriate time.

 

[dutchie]

Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube will censor more and more.

 

[dutchie]

Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube will censor more and more.

and Apple.

 

[dutchie]

Facebook has just banned #Walkaway.
#WalkAway is a massive movement for those who left the democrat party.

This should tell you where we are headed.

 

[moXJO]

The topic is "Freedom of Speech."
The President told his supporters to go to the Capitol building after months fomenting their anger with a cascade of lies.
This is not about moral outrage but, instead, is the culmination of a relentless attack on the bastions of democracy that ultimately led to the killing of a person who was trying to break into the barricaded House of Representatives.
Find a precedent if you can!

Democrats directly encouraged riots that caused hundreds of millions in damages to cities. They have lied along with the media that has fuelled leftist riots that have continued for months. This had more to do with the current mood of the right. Along with the media dishing out crap. This is what started this crap. Along with all the conspiracies up to this point. And you guys posted about a hundred pages worth.

He told them to go to the capital and what?
Violent protest has been part of the US for a long time. Where did he say "I command you to destroy". Oh it was loaded language?
You mean the kind Democrat senators and house members have been using for months?

And the person that was shot in the neck. If it were the left it would be outrage at the way it was done. Instead I saw open celebration. And it is that which caused this riot. Cancel culture, vilification of guys like peterson or moderate right, Hollywood bs, media attacks and the mail in voting was the final straw.

But tell me it was Trump. Not the fact that the left just picked at the conservatives till everyone's hate boiled over.






They were not treated with kid gloves as has been suggested elsewhere.

 

[rederob]

Democrats directly encouraged riots that caused hundreds of millions in damages to cities. They have lied along with the media that has fuelled leftist riots that have continued for months. This had more to do with the current mood of the right. Along with the media dishing out crap. This is what started this crap. Along with all the conspiracies up to this point. And you guys posted about a hundred pages worth.

He told them to go to the capital and what?
Violent protest has been part of the US for a long time. Where did he say "I command you to destroy". Oh it was loaded language?
You mean the kind Democrat senators and house members have been using for months?

And the person that was shot in the neck. If it were the left it would be outrage at the way it was done. Instead I saw open celebration. And it is that which caused this riot. Cancel culture, vilification of guys like peterson or moderate right, Hollywood bs, media attacks and the mail in voting was the final straw.

But tell me it was Trump. Not the fact that the left just picked at the conservatives till everyone's hate boiled over.






They were not treated with kid gloves as has been suggested elsewhere.

Perhaps you can provide evidence for your claims, which I know to be baseless opinion.
The contrary position to yours has a President who has been proven to lie, mislead or deceive over 25000 times.
As @basilio has recently pointed out, Trump's closest allies are now abandoning him. Meanwhile, the majority of his handpicked appointments to the Whitehouse are now exposing Trump's true nature, and it's not a picture of a person who had the ability to lead America.

 

[moXJO]

Perhaps you can provide evidence for your claims, which I know to be baseless opinion.
The contrary position to yours has a President who has been proven to lie, mislead or deceive over 25000 times.
As @basilio has recently pointed out, Trump's closest allies are now abandoning him. Meanwhile, the majority of his handpicked appointments to the Whitehouse are now exposing Trump's true nature, and it's not a picture of a person who had the ability to lead America.

Perhaps you can google the ones who did it yourself instead of relying on me to clue you in.
It was always about the change and he indeed brought the most.