Food, diet, facts and myths

[basilio]

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[Gringotts Bank]

I tried a so-called 'healthy' diet for the umpteenth time, but still find it makes no difference. I keep trying because everyone tells me how great they feel when they eat "clean". However, I feel exactly the same on a Trump-style KFC and Maccas diet as I do a Green-voting, yoga-instructing, #allergictoeverything diet. I lose a tiny bit of weight on the latter, that's about all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...l-to-heart-when-eaten-with-mediterranean-die/
https://sciencetrends.com/mindset-an-often-overlooked-factor-in-nutrition-and-health/

 

[Value Collector]

I tried a so-called 'healthy' diet for the umpteenth time, but still find it makes no difference. I keep trying because everyone tells me how great they feel when they eat "clean". However, I feel exactly the same on a Trump-style KFC and Maccas diet as I do a Green-voting, yoga-instructing, #allergictoeverything diet. I lose a tiny bit of weight on the latter, that's about all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...l-to-heart-when-eaten-with-mediterranean-die/
https://sciencetrends.com/mindset-an-often-overlooked-factor-in-nutrition-and-health/

You don’t need to do anything fancy.

Just get Protein, Fat and carbs in the right amounts for your activity level, combined with enough fiber, vitamins and minerals and you are pretty much set.

My vegan diet provides all those for me.

Eating a range of fruits, Veg and grains etc give you all the protein, fats and carbs you need in pretty much the exact ratio you need, the more active you are the more you eat etc.

The vegan diet also avoids the nasty saturated fats and cholesterol which is humans down fall, hence he high rates of heart attack.

 

[systematic]

I tried a so-called 'healthy' diet for the umpteenth time, but still find it makes no difference. I keep trying because everyone tells me how great they feel when they eat "clean". However, I feel exactly the same on a Trump-style KFC and Maccas diet as I do a Green-voting, yoga-instructing, #allergictoeverything diet. I lose a tiny bit of weight on the latter, that's about all.

Makes no difference: to what? What are you trying to achieve? Based on your following comments, I am guessing you either expect to feel better or lose weight - but wanted to clarify?

What am I doing in the General Chat??? I never come here!!!

 

[StockyGuy]

I tried a so-called 'healthy' diet for the umpteenth time, but still find it makes no difference. I keep trying because everyone tells me how great they feel when they eat "clean". However, I feel exactly the same on a Trump-style KFC and Maccas diet as I do a Green-voting, yoga-instructing, #allergictoeverything diet. I lose a tiny bit of weight on the latter, that's about all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...l-to-heart-when-eaten-with-mediterranean-die/
https://sciencetrends.com/mindset-an-often-overlooked-factor-in-nutrition-and-health/

I like these contrarian types of approaches. (I'm a strict vegan but it doesn't really affect the following comments.)

In the West and much of the rest of the world the main health issue is not what we eat - it's how much we eat. If you're within your healthy BMI range for your height (assuming you're not a bodybuilder), half the battle is won, health-wise. If you are also a non-smoker, non-(excessive) drinker and are careful in the sun, odds are you're on a good path.

But it's simply harder to overindulge in some foods than others. It's very easy to go over your daily kilojoule allowance eating ice creams and fast food meals and hot chips and chocolate bars etc.

But if that hunger switch still works that reliably tells you enough is enough, such that you stop eating even junk food at the right time, you can still do okay with a fairly dodgy diet - see

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/act...o-eats-baked-beans-for-every-single-meal.html .​

I do agree not all calories are equal, and that eg refined sugar and is best minimised, but not consuming unneeded energy is key to health.

 

[SirRumpole]

I like these contrarian types of approaches. (I'm a strict vegan but it doesn't really affect the following comments.)

In the West and much of the rest of the world the main health issue is not what we eat - it's how much we eat. If you're within your healthy BMI range for your height (assuming you're not a bodybuilder), half the battle is won, health-wise. If you are also a non-smoker, non-(excessive) drinker and are careful in the sun, odds are you're on a good path.

But it's simply harder to overindulge in some foods than others. It's very easy to go over your daily kilojoule allowance eating ice creams and fast food meals and hot chips and chocolate bars etc.

But if that hunger switch still works that reliably tells you enough is enough, such that you stop eating even junk food at the right time, you can still do okay with a fairly dodgy diet - see

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/act...o-eats-baked-beans-for-every-single-meal.html .​

I do agree not all calories are equal, and that eg refined sugar and is best minimised, but not consuming unneeded energy is key to health.

The big deal imo is the sugar and salt content of processed foods. Tins of baked beans are horrendously loaded with salt, and sauces and mustards are the same. You can get low salt versions in some cases but they can be hard to find.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Makes no difference: to what? What are you trying to achieve? Based on your following comments, I am guessing you either expect to feel better or lose weight - but wanted to clarify?

What am I doing in the General Chat??? I never come here!!!

I only want to lose a few kgs and get a bit more energy. People I speak to say they glow with health when they go mainly plant based, which has me wondering....is this a placebo effect? Because I feel no different. I've been at it for a week, and I'm thinking of giving it away.

 

[SirRumpole]

I only want to lose a few kgs and get a bit more energy. People I speak to say they glow with health when they go mainly plant based, which has me wondering....is this a placebo effect? Because I feel no different. I've been at it for a week, and I'm thinking of giving it away.

A week is far too short to see any difference. Your body has to detox first.

 

[Value Collector]

I don’t think the answer is to demonize sugar or fat.

I think it’s just about not eating more than you burn off, and not eating many “empty calories” Eg calories without any vitamins and minerals attached.

And you don’t need to worry about protein etc, as long as you are steering clear of empty calories most of the time, you will get the perfect amount of protein from the fruits, veg, grains, nuts, potatoes etc in a plant based diet.

 

[Value Collector]

A week is far too short to see any difference. Your body has to detox first.

Not to mention exercise, fixing your diet is great, but getting out and walking, doing some pushups etc will help you body clear those unhealthy fats from your liver and arteries will boost the results, and it will do wonders for your mind too.

 

[Value Collector]

Potatoes are great, especially when cooked wit the skins on, don’t fall into the trap of thinking they are bad.

So simple to cook, just buy the cleaned ones, stab all over with a fork, and then microwave.

A very cheap and nutritious base for meals, add your favorite other Veg like peas etc, bit of avocado some hot sauce and you have great snack.

 

[IFocus]

I only want to lose a few kgs and get a bit more energy. People I speak to say they glow with health when they go mainly plant based, which has me wondering....is this a placebo effect? Because I feel no different. I've been at it for a week, and I'm thinking of giving it away.

Its easy but a couple of things 1st

1. Completely ignore VC, daughter is in her final year of a masters in dyslectics only talks evidence based science and the vegan thing doesn't cut it(how to start an argument 101 ).

2. Helps if you do some sort of activity to help see the benefits I surf and ride a bike getting the feed back reinforces the good eating habit

3. I have always been pretty lean (genetics ) and active surfing all my life and never afraid to have a crack at size, eaten pretty well.....by people around me standards, cholesterol levels at or below recommended, blood sugar etcs always good yada yada.
diagnosed last year with cardio vascular disease (no symptoms) an ended up with two stents in the LAD its in my family both sides and back down the generations......sorry son cop that.

Spoke at length to the cardiologist after the stents been put in about diet, alcohol, exercise etc.

Diet was no sugar, no hi GI, no saturated fats, allowed two standard drinks a night.

Spoke to the daughter to confirm.

No sugar is obvious and a big one, hi GI foods are OK but always the smallest portion on the dish examples are pasta, potato, white rice, a lot of breads example he gave was if eating a chicken white bread sandwich throw the bread and eat the chicken.
Saturated fats like sugar and salt are very sneaky pastries, cakes, biscuits, processed foods you dont need them.
Lean meat is fine as are eggs.

Alcohol, two standard drinks a day are a net benefit for cardio vascular disease have three and its a net negative, note for cancer its a net negative to have any.

Any way after reading labels and doing the above actually dropped 7 kilo (I did not think I was carrying more than a couple at most) my endurance is double and at 60 years old I ride around a 100 km a week and hardly feel it, I am still riding a short surf board and yeah I am jumping out of my skin in terms of fitness diet plays a really big part.... not all of it but a big part of it.

1 week wont make any difference at least 3 to 4 months to see any benefits.


VC that vid on potato is a shocker.

 

[Value Collector]

Its easy but a couple of things 1st

1. Completely ignore VC, daughter is in her final year of a masters in dyslectics only talks evidence based science and the vegan thing doesn't cut it(how to start an argument 101 ).

How so?

I mean that as a serious question, Because I spent the first 36 years of my life eating meat, I loved it, and would never have changed if I thought there was any reason to avoid going vegan.

I mean I searched high and low for evidence based arguments against going vegan, I just couldn't find any.

as I said in other threads, before going Vegan my favourite meal was the KFC ultimate burger meal. I would eat it probably 5 nights a week, and still would if there was any valid reason I could use to justify doing that to the chickens.

But alas, there is no need, and meat can easily be avoided, So I can't justify feeding animals into slaughter houses.

Lean meat is fine as are eggs.

Except for the fact you are generating victims.

I mean, If you have no concern about victims, then rape is a perfectly sound model for entertaining our selves and breeding.

But if you care about the experiences of others, then rape is out of the question and we have to stick to the inconvenient model of getting consent.


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As I said a sound diet is simply one that has enough Protein, Carbs and good fats, combined with vitamins and minerals.

Yes, you can source some of those Macro nutrients from animals, But not without causing undue suffering to the animals, and its totally possible to source them from plants.

So sourcing them from plants where ever possible is the moral choice.

 

[Value Collector]

Lean meat is fine as are eggs.

Do you agree with this?
Do you think dropping live male chicks into a grinder is moral?

I would actually like to know your real opinion on these "farming" practices, and whether its worth using eggs as the source of fat and protein when other sources are available.

 

[Smurf1976]

I would actually like to know your real opinion on these "farming" practices, and whether its worth using eggs as the source of fat and protein when other sources are available.

I had the displeasure of going inside one of those chicken batteries many years ago.

Suffice to say that should I find myself inside a battery ever again, I'll pick the military or even electrical variety over the chicken one any day. Being blown up with a canon or drenched in acid probably would actually be better than seeing again what those poor birds suffer through.

To say it's a miserable existence is an under statement in the extreme.

More generally, I haven't done it yet but I'm seriously thinking of giving this vegetarian caper a go. Only bit I need to find a way around is that thus far any attempt has produced a cracking headache.

 

[Value Collector]

More generally, I haven't done it yet but I'm seriously thinking of giving this vegetarian caper a go. Only bit I need to find a way around is that thus far any attempt has produced a cracking headache.

That video is from a hatchery, they sell chicks to the farmers, so even the “free range” chickens come out of such places.

The easiest way to make the change is to just slowly cut things out over time, and build in replacements.

I actually went pescatarian (not meat except seafood), for a fair while before I went vegan, then I just slowly stopped having seafood (except for mussels once a month or so, I am not a dictionary definition vegan, because I don’t see a problem with eating mussels because they don’t have a brain)

 

[moXJO]

Cut sugar. Sugar is in fruit as weĺl so you have to limit your intake. Just plain foods (chicken breast and vegetables). Eat at least 6 smaller meals a day.
Plenty of walking if you don't like working out.

I normally go hardcore diet/workout 3 months of the year, then eat normal again.

Theres all kinds of methods to lose it.

 

[SirRumpole]

That video is from a hatchery, they sell chicks to the farmers, so even the “free range” chickens come out of such places.

The easiest way to make the change is to just slowly cut things out over time, and build in replacements.

I actually went pescatarian (not meat except seafood), for a fair while before I went vegan, then I just slowly stopped having seafood (except for mussels once a month or so, I am not a dictionary definition vegan, because I don’t see a problem with eating mussels because they don’t have a brain)

I get my eggs from the farm next door where the chickens get a free run and bite back if people come near them so they are pretty fiesty haha.

I don't have a moral problem with that, but I would with battery farms. I'm lucky that I can have my eggs and eat them too.

Why don't you keep chickens yourself VC ? Then you can make sure they are looked after and enjoy a good protein source as well.

 

[Value Collector]

I get my eggs from the farm next door where the chickens get a free run and bite back if people come near them so they are pretty fiesty haha.

I don't have a moral problem with that, but I would with battery farms. I'm lucky that I can have my eggs and eat them too.

Why don't you keep chickens yourself VC ? Then you can make sure they are looked after and enjoy a good protein source as well.

Most “backyard hens” are still bought as chicks from commercial hatcheries, so You still have the problem of all the males being killed, because no one wants the boys.

I was thinking about taking on some rescue hens, but constantly removing their eggs encourages them to keep laying, and that puts a lot of stress on their bodies.

If I did have rescue hens I would probably give the eggs away to family who would normally buy them commercially rather than eat them myself.

I get plenty of protein in my diet, without the saturated fat, cholesterol and salmonella risk of eggs.

155,000 people die of salmonella each year, it’s one of the reasons the egg industry in the USA is banned from using the words “healthy” or “safe”

 

[SirRumpole]

Most “backyard hens” are still bought as chicks from commercial hatcheries, so You still have the problem of all the males being killed, because no one wants the boys.

I was thinking about taking on some rescue hens, but constantly removing their eggs encourages them to keep laying, and that puts a lot of stress on their bodies.

If I did have rescue hens I would probably give the eggs away to family who would normally buy them commercially rather than eat them myself.

I get plenty of protein in my diet, without the saturated fat, cholesterol and salmonella risk of eggs.

155,000 people die of salmonella each year, it’s one of the reasons the egg industry in the USA is banned from using the words “healthy” or “safe”

Cooked eggs don't have a salmonella risk, only raw or undercooked ones and even then the risk is pretty low.

Basically any food is a salmonella risk.