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According to these definitions, FMG is a growth stock then - current income is low due to self-funding expansion, expected to grow rapidly (40 - 50 - 160mtpa over the next five years), value may rise quickly (as evidenced up until June)
how come every time i log on to aussie stock forums i notice FMG in the top 10 threads on the main page?
just goes to show, regardless of whether you like it or hate it, there is heated debate about the company
does this say something about its popularity
i couldn't careless about the chart, find me a chart that is trending up and i will buy stocks in that company..
if FMG being in the top 10 threads is not a predictor of popularity than can you explain to me what it is a predictor of?
i mean even the people not in favor of FMG and unlikely to hold it are posting!!
there must be a motiveotherwise they would not be doing it
find me a chart that is trending up and i will buy stocks in that company..
I ran a query on market cap to amount of post on ASF to find their 52 week return mid year.
I'm not at home at the moment and haven't access to my data but the basic finding of these stats were the companies that have higher posting per market cap than average were VERY crappy long term returns.
Bottom line stocks that people love are Sh!te investments. And I'm sure that they are even worse stats now.
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BHP, Rio Must Share Rail With Fortescue
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=ac5PBHxZZxv8&refer=australia
Woot! Finally some very good news for FMG.
Can I start the rumour mill with:
- BHP (or BHP/RIO) will fight this as hard as they can.
- When the aboves fail, BHP just launches a hostile takeover for FMG.
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BluBoy
Actually Agro you got it all wrong here. Again bias unfounded by stats.
I ran a query on market cap to amount of post on ASF to find their 52 week return mid year.
I'm not at home at the moment and haven't access to my data but the basic finding of these stats were the companies that have higher posting per market cap than average were VERY crappy long term returns.
Bottom line stocks that people love are Sh!te investments. And I'm sure that they are even worse stats now.
LOL. In that case why the hell would you buy or hold one thats going down.
thats bloody intresting actually ...... ive noticed things like this in other chats etc too ........ fms , ego , vcr many moons back etc etc etc the list is extensive
very intresting
would luv to see your data if u ever get the time later
cheers
I hope you are not suggesting FMG to be one day as BHP or Rio. It will be too much expectation by any standard. FMG is okay for quick money earning but does not have the nerve to be a sustaining business like Rio or BHP. I could say so, because I have worked for all three and have seen their working very closely. Each has a plus point and minus point.
Rio is multi site and multi product operation, strong board management and very structured. They have grown by acquiring Hamesley, Alcan and others organically. Market price was not too hot those days
So was BHP grown by acquisition and growth in an almost monopolistic situation.
Unfortuantely FMG is a late arrival, working against too many odds, single product, WA site only, primarily driven by Graeme Rowley and Andrew Forrest (other directors are just lucky to be there), very much unstructured, very high risk driven and of course Andrew has lot of guts unlike other directors in Rio and BHP. FMG has some high risk with few great managers but if they leave the organisation then there could be disaster. Whereas BHP or Rio even the MD leaves - there will be some ripple but no storm.
BHP, Rio Must Share Rail With Fortescue
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=ac5PBHxZZxv8&refer=australia
Woot! Finally some very good news for FMG.
Can I start the rumour mill with:
- BHP (or BHP/RIO) will fight this as hard as they can.
- When the aboves fail, BHP just launches a hostile takeover for FMG.
BluBoy
Actually Agro you got it all wrong here. Again bias unfounded by stats.
I ran a query on market cap to amount of post on ASF to find their 52 week return mid year.
I'm not at home at the moment and haven't access to my data but the basic finding of these stats were the companies that have higher posting per market cap than average were VERY crappy long term returns.
Bottom line stocks that people love are Sh!te investments. And I'm sure that they are even worse stats now.
LOL. In that case why the hell would you buy or hold one thats going down.
Good post Miner, but lets balance it up too. Firstly lets also not place FMG with some junior IO play with 1 to 3 mta output, FMG 9 million odd tons in 6 months of operation, 57 odd ship loads to 27 different mills including Baosteel.
Its already placed as a top mid tier IO play. I can not find one article or ann that points out cancelled shipments, payment defaults or rejection of IO in regards to FMG operations. Yes their output target is now 80mta and expansion to 160mta, given current market climate, is on hold ( this is well documented ). Yearly production target is ever increasing and product is being shipped, if anyone can disprove this please post a creditable link. I'm not questioning current market / global climate but FMG continues to forge ahead on all fronts regardless, again post it if you got it and prove me wrong.
PS. Not some article that states the world has turned to Kaka, one that clearly states FMG operations with the above mentioned points.....
Thankyou
I am positive I read somewhere that BHP would have to unload some of their Iron Ore projects if they were to successfully acquire RIO. If this is the case, I doubt they would be allowed take over FMG..
It is good sign to see FMG has shot up today against the market factoring the rail news.
They do need the rail desperately as there is probably no people to execute them (?)
I heard from one of my colleagues that 200 people from Worley Parsons that are working on FMG expansion project has got a demobilisation notice effective on 7th of November 2008. (Demobilisation basically a protected contractual way of sacking for contracted people)
They just left a handful of people that are working on optimisation of mine site at Cloud Break and dredging boat at the port, the rest of the people are all sacked (all port, rail and Christmas Creek mine). WP promised them relocation.
Interesting news if it is true (PLEASE CHECK YOURSELF AND THIS COULD BE A RUMOUR TOO)
Disclosure : I do own FMG now and waiting for them to rot like pepper corn
We need to love this kind of stupidity, this is the kind of people that help others to get out of bad businesses and save some of their capital.
Keep buying as much as you can so the poor shareholders can sell to you as much as they can.
Copper dropping to $1.76 @ the moment.
WBII
It is good sign to see FMG has shot up today against the market factoring the rail news.
They do need the rail desperately as there is probably no people to execute them (?)
I heard from one of my colleagues that 200 people from Worley Parsons that are working on FMG expansion project has got a demobilisation notice effective on 7th of November 2008. (Demobilisation basically a protected contractual way of sacking for contracted people)
They just left a handful of people that are working on optimisation of mine site at Cloud Break and dredging boat at the port, the rest of the people are all sacked (all port, rail and Christmas Creek mine). WP promised them relocation.
Interesting news if it is true (PLEASE CHECK YOURSELF AND THIS COULD BE A RUMOUR TOO)
Disclosure : I do own FMG now and waiting for them to rot like pepper corn
This probably has more to do with a design handover than any cancellation of projects. I'm fairly certain that this phase of the the expansion is going ahead, em and thats about all i can say.
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