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Financial Independence (Home Ownership, Super, Long Retirement) not possible for wage earners: What do we need and how do we get it?

If we own our own home how much do we need for a comfortable 25-30 yr Retirement?

  • $300,0000

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • $1,000,000

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • $3,000,000

    Votes: 11 55.0%
  • $5,000,000

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Over $5,000,000

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • See my post in this thread.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
I know, I left wage to contracting to own one man company
When I tried expanding, my very first customer with a subcontractor I placed to do the job took 7 months to pay his invoice, I obviously paid my contractor on the spot..and decided not to want to grow further..and when the red tape with super GST etc got too much to either do myself or pay an accountant to do based on the fees I was charging, I headed and worked overseas in our startup
It is not easy indeed, but while I agree on what you say, I guess it means that Australia has just closed the entrepreneurial path with decent odds for the latest generation.
 

The Labor government and Unions don't like small business, unless they have a unionised workforce.

 

I'm not at odds with this. In the long term, my system returns better than buy-and-hold.
Plus I feel warm and fuzzy inside because it keeps me out of long-term drawdowns.
It also limits my initial loss to 1-2% if I'm making an initial investment. (I am sure no one wants to enter a trade long term only to see it come off 30% or worse---Not as hard to take a drawdown, with some equity in place Although I have in the system safeguards against excessive drawdowns.)

Trading can result in loss and in rare cases, long-term holds can be less than spectacular TLS anyone and some be delisted, and all the while you could have been averaging down into a position. Happens quite a lot.



In agreeance to a point. Chippies, Plumbers, Tilers, Baristas, and Deli's need to be able to scale to move away from a wage slaves in their own business. They need to multiply their earning capability. If I have 10 people all of whom I generate $20/Hr profit from then I'm making $300 an hour not just 100/ hr as a self-employed Xman. ---just a principal example. Scalability.
 
But there is a point in that the left/globalists do not like SME and try their upmost to destroy them thru regulations and taxation.
SME can not offer bribes, and are hard to control so they are the enemy .
I saw that played in France to a great success for government, and lately being attempted in Germany where SME were the spine of the economy.
 
I guess we are just different beasts, volatility of share prices doesn’t phase me.
 
not a fan ... but ...
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New data shows that the Home Equity Scheme – where the government offers reverse mortgages at less than half commercial rates – has changed from an obscure scheme to a mainstream product with participation figures reported in the year to March at more than 12,000 people, up from 700 in 2019.

And why not? Any older person looking to tap into the value of their family home can get the government mortgage at a set rate of 3.95 per cent (unchanged in the last budget).

Meanwhile, commercial rates are more than twice this level, with rates climbing towards 10 per cent. Commercial mortgages have fewer restrictions, but the effectively discounted rate the government offers is clearly a powerful trade-off.
The boom in reverse mortgages (where the applicant generally sells part of their home to an institution in return for regular income) was always going to happen with the escalation of house prices occurring while owner-occupiers on fixed incomes were facing inflation.

But the take-up has been accelerated by a change of regulations, which allowed financial advisers to recommend the government scheme alongside commercial products.
Commercial reverse mortgages have also been growing quickly, but nothing like the pace of the government scheme.

Moreover, if it suits the applicant (and assuming the applicant is fully aware that the real price of these loans is the reduction in the inheritance for the next generation), they are a welcome arrival in the market.

The news comes just as Andrew Boal the chair of the Actuaries Institute Retirement Strategy group has issued a paper on the wider issue of retirement income sources, suggesting it’s time to consider the role of the home as the “fourth pillar” in the retirement income system – alongside the pension, super and voluntary private savings.

Boal now wants to push the notion of the family home as an active financial asset that can be used as an income stream. He also wants the government to review the areas and to “relax the age pension means test exemptions on money accessed through home equity release schemes such as reverse mortgages”.

That would make tapping home equity even more attractive for older people.

As financial adviser James Gerrard has pointed out in The Australian: “There is scepticism over reverse mortgages – and they are not risk-free. Home prices may still fall in the future.”

What’s more, nobody likes a reduction in assets, but reverse mortgages at low prices are going to be very attractive to the asset-rich and cash-poor.
Gerrard says: “Under a reverse mortgage, you do not make regular loan repayments, meaning that interest accumulates on interest, and this compounding effect can lead to a large liability which is often paid by your children, after you die, via a large chunk of their inheritance taken out of your estate.”

Nonetheless, once more people understand the concept of reverse mortgages, the take-up of the Home Equity Scheme will accelerate further. The only question is at what point might Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth begin to question whether the rates offered are too low.
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not a fan ... but .
absolutely not a fan

as an emergency ( cash ) life-line , hmmm better than some other options

but plenty can go astray for the older home-owner tapping into that equity too early ( and limited ability to repay quickly ) can leave the retiree in some uncomfortable situations .

i can see some tales of woe on the horizon
 
@Dona Ferentes - thanks for the posting. I need to read more to understand it.
If you could create a pdf of the link and attach it, will be great and save financial freedom from money to be spent on Australian Newspaper subscription in conjunction with existing subscription with West Australian newspaper
 
So the government lease you money at 3.95% that you can invest at 5.3%
I do not know details, how easy it is to close and repay, but that is an easy $53k minus $39.5k so $13.5k a year gifted income on a million dollar without touching the principal..or affecting the inheritance
Would be worth checking details
 
including tax and deeming implications

sounds like a savvy accountant should be consulted before you signed up

also how does the mortgage go if property prices fall , not to mention complications if selling the property is necessary
 
including tax and deeming implications

sounds like a savvy accountant should be consulted before you signed up

also how does the mortgage go if property prices fall , not to mention complications if selling the property is necessary
As long as you just cash the difference, taxes and actual value would be irrelevant, you would still get a ...taxable.. profit based on rate difference.
The only issues are costs to setup, fee on closing the reverse mortgage and obligations attached to closure
There is a sizeable rate difference between a lending rate and an investment rate, it would be crazy not to investigate it for people who qualify..
 
crazy maybe , but i have spent most of my life in Labor electorates , in including at least two Federal Treasurers

when one of these guys shakes your hand you had better count the fingernails as well

the key is getting very good advice , first
 
Came across this video from the F.I.R.E . community. Focus on developing a simple sustainable lifestyle that can be funded by a 15-20 year intensive saving/investing program. Just reprises what has been already discussed

 
the potential trap is run-away inflation ( or in reality the collapse of value in your assets/savings )

you will not be able to actually retire per sec , but you would have time to improve your skills in time to re-enter the income earning system

yes the underlying basics are just good sense and discipline , but a large part of the world is spiraling out of control ( and a solid raft in a tornado is still at risk in turbulent seas )

but plenty of skills in the movement to help you navigate your future better
 
Came across this video from the F.I.R.E . community. Focus on developing a simple sustainable lifestyle that can be funded by a 15-20 year intensive saving/investing program. Just reprises what has been already discussed
That was my goal, from the time I was 14, but with the help of some well timed investments I over shot
 
Wages in real terms (especially when considering house prices) have fallen a lot in the past 50 years. Its much harder to get ahead than before.

I think realistically in this day and age a young wage earner (in most cases) needs to live with their parents for an extended period of time to build up the initial capital base. That is what I did and how I managed to have substantial savings to invest.
 
Absolutely and use the parents internet and subscription tv etc.
Then they leave home and go, "how the hell do I pay for the mortgage, the internet, the phone plan, netflix, Stan, amazon prime", life isn't easy anymore.
There are way too many things to spend your money on.
 
There in lies the solution
More people to spread the costs
Many cultures have done it for years
Asian, Indian , Greek and many more

Investment groups .
Just as business has partners so to can the business of home ownership have partnerships.

Husband and Wife are one of the best and most common!!
 
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