Federal Labor Party discussion

[noco]

It is pretty evident from this link that if this referendum were to be successful, it would turn democracy on its head and local governments would have no say in what took place in their councils.

I still say this Green/Labor Government have a hidden agenda and it could turn out to be very dangerous in deed.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...eferendum_no_to_canberra_control_of_councils/

 

[sptrawler]

It is pretty evident from this link that if this referendum were to be successful, it would turn democracy on its head and local governments would have no say in what took place in their councils.

I still say this Green/Labor Government have a hidden agenda and it could turn out to be very dangerous in deed.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...eferendum_no_to_canberra_control_of_councils/

Don't worry the government are spending heaps to get it up.
Therefore everyone who doesn't trust the government will vote against it.
The result is obvious.lol

 

[springhill]

I'd say the same goes for Abbott. We haven't seen the old Tony for a while now, but if anyone can coax him out of his PR crafted image it'd be Rudd in a one-on-one.

Can you explain who the 'old Tony' was and what exactly do you think Rudd can coax out of him? I have noticed no detectable change in Abbott over the years and may I point our that may not necessarily be a good thing!

I can see Abbott seeing out multiple terms and this is something the public should be aware of when voting Liberal.

< :1zhelp: >Hard Place while the man who could and should be running the country is left in a minor portfolio, arguing trivial matters.

This makes absolutely no sense.

You can see Abbott possibly serving multiple terms, yet you frame this as a bad thing when a leader survives in his role. Maybe the Left is not used to seeing this and as such see it as something abnormal.
To serve multiple terms he would not only have to be doing a good job, (better than Labor is doing in opposition during that same period), not just in the eyes of the public, but also of his own party.

Beware public! Abbott is doing such a bad job that not only his own party kept him as leader, but you actually re-elected him!!!

If you want to see a bad job done over consecutive terms, check out the leader-go-round of the last 6 years.

One term without a leadership change would be a breath of fresh air for a public weary of internal Labor b!tch!ng.

 

[sptrawler]

I love the way, Rudd is sitting back saying " Hang on a minute, we've got a mess, we need to sort out and I have the answers"
Well all of us are saying you caused the problems, how come now you have the answers? what a dick.

 

[Zedd]

Can you explain who the 'old Tony' was and what exactly do you think Rudd can coax out of him? I have noticed no detectable change in Abbott over the years and may I point our that may not necessarily be a good thing!

Really? I think he's become far less aggressive, less confrontational, more moderate and has made a concerted effort to be statesman-like (this is based on my limited exposure through online news only, as UK TV doesn't give about Aussie politics). With Julia, he could pretty much just hold back and let her hang herself. Rudd I think is an excellent speaker and will walk all over Abbott if he tries to maintain his current demeanour. It'll be a case of look weak, indecisive, and clueless, or return to the old Abbott of aggressive and confrontational.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Au contraire, I think the Coalition (as a party) will do a great job of running the country, and as such will continue to do so for multiple terms. But, if Abbott goes in as leader, he'll stay as leader as I can't see the Liberals going through the same leadership spills Labour has.

My tongue-in-cheek comment was, perhaps some would rather Rudd for another term, or at least half-of, than have Abbott as our leader and global figurehead for the next 8 - 12 years. Personally I would. When I voted Rudd in, I remember saying at the time that the Coalition had lost touch, and that a decent bout on the sideline before returning under Turnbull was what was needed. I think the initial Rudd term was good for the Coalition, but the 2nd Labour term has seen the worst in the Liberals come out. As much as I'd like the Libs back in charge, I'd consider putting Rudd back in for another, versus have the Abbott-Bishop team run the country for what is going to be a hell of a decade.

 

[sptrawler]

Really? I think he's become far less aggressive, less confrontational, more moderate and has made a concerted effort to be statesman-like (this is based on my limited exposure through online news only, as UK TV doesn't give about Aussie politics). With Julia, he could pretty much just hold back and let her hang herself. Rudd I think is an excellent speaker and will walk all over Abbott if he tries to maintain his current demeanour. It'll be a case of look weak, indecisive, and clueless, or return to the old Abbott of aggressive and confrontational.



Au contraire, I think the Coalition (as a party) will do a great job of running the country, and as such will continue to do so for multiple terms. But, if Abbott goes in as leader, he'll stay as leader as I can't see the Liberals going through the same leadership spills Labour has.

My tongue-in-cheek comment was, perhaps some would rather Rudd for another term, or at least half-of, than have Abbott as our leader and global figurehead for the next 8 - 12 years. Personally I would. When I voted Rudd in, I remember saying at the time that the Coalition had lost touch, and that a decent bout on the sideline before returning under Turnbull was what was needed. I think the initial Rudd term was good for the Coalition, but the 2nd Labour term has seen the worst in the Liberals come out. As much as I'd like the Libs back in charge, I'd consider putting Rudd back in for another, versus have the Abbott-Bishop team run the country for what is going to be a hell of a decade.

You would think that, living in the U.K, get Labor in trash the dollar. Make hay on the exchange rate when you come home.

 

[So_Cynical]

Try to at least get your facts right.

Please Julia, if Tony won the vote he would be PM, he didn't so in a 2 horse race he didn't win therefore lost, failed as a negotiator thus lost = 2 time loser.

That's the facts.

 

[noco]

I love the way, Rudd is sitting back saying " Hang on a minute, we've got a mess, we need to sort out and I have the answers"
Well all of us are saying you caused the problems, how come now you have the answers? what a dick.

It is the same old Rudd. He has not changed. Still full of spin, rhetoric and BS as he was before.

He is a circus show pony at its best. He is an opportunist in every photo shoot he can get.

The latest enquiry into the roof insuation enquiry is a typical mess he created. He did not heed the notice by authorities to be a dangerous project. He could not come face to face with the families of the four men electrocuted due to his negligence. He makes an apology from Indonesia.

And the niave are saying what a good fellow he is.

 

[Calliope]

Rudd I think is an excellent speaker

:screwy:

 

[Calliope]

Christine Fuller who lost her son as a direct result of a hasty ill-considered Rudd decision, has provided a perfect answer to those who think that he is the Messiah.

"The then prime minister (Mr Rudd) couldn't remember our names and has never apologised to our face," Mr Fuller told the ABC's 7.30.

"The program wasted four lives ... numerous people were seriously injured or nearly killed, there were too many fires in houses and a lot of people were scared of their homes, simply because of the foil insulation in the home."

Asked what she wanted from the Prime Minister, Mrs Fuller said: “I'd like for him to disappear".

If he has any moral backbone that is what he should do. Making an apology is easy. Accepting the blame is something Rudd is incapable of doing


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...lus-before-lives/story-fn9qr68y-1226674565580

 

[Some Dude]

If he has any moral backbone that is what he should do. Making an apology is easy. Accepting the blame is something Rudd is incapable of doing

It may be worth your while reading the report. This circumstance isn't like the Coalition's ideological blindness with worker safety in 2005 where they ignored both unions and the Australian Industry Group (Section 3.39) about safety issues resulting in an increase in construction worker deaths. Kevin et al very definitely made mistakes in that program but the mistakes were made up and down the line and in that way that disasters happen when everyone thinks someone else is taking care of it.

I hope that people don't try to utilise the deaths of these people for political purposes but I know they will so I hope everyone remembers the concern about worker safety in the next parliament. There are organisations, many of them vehemently opposed to by posters here at ASF, whom have been genuinely fighting for better worker safety for decades. If you really care about the death of these people, show some support to those organisations who have been fighting all governments and for decades for better and actual enforced regulation on these issues.

Sometimes the red tape is there for a reason. This situation highlights one of them and what can happen when people think cutting corners is ok.

 

[Calliope]

Of course you push the union barrow. But the Pink Bats debacle started with Rudd and led to all sorts of shonky opportunists coming out of the woodwork to make a quick buck. It was open slather. Hardly a day went past when one wasn't knocking on my door.

 

[Some Dude]

Of course you push the union barrow.

Thank you for noticing that I worded it in such a way to include non union organisations as well such as professional associations, employer groups, and insurance related organisations. Worker safety is something that we as a society have made greats strides in over the last hundred years and it's something that I hope continues, even if it annoys a few anti red tape types.

 

[springhill]

Kevin Rudd's first real test of his Prime Ministerial term, and his future term, arrives with him being in the hotspot of the region.

Asylum seeker boat issues distress call, saying they are taking on water only 80km from Java.

Our sea craft respond to attend the scene.

The asylum seeker vessel is obviously in danger of sinking, yet Indonesia do not respond.

Rudd should be demanding an explanation from Indonesia's President. Or he will show himself to be a spineless cretin, who does not have the interests of peoples' lives at interest. He is there, deal with the situation now.

Indonesia say they do not have the sea craft to fulfill rescue duties.

I wonder if a bunch of our warships intruded into Indonesian territorial waters, how quickly they could scramble to engage?

This situation is utter crap, whether you agree with asylum seekers arriving by boat or not, there were human lives at risk on a leaking boat.

I know where I am placing my bets on Rudd's actions.

 

[drsmith]

The asylum seeker vessel is obviously in danger of sinking, yet Indonesia do not respond.

Indonesia has responded, at least in another sense.

They've accepted the cheque from Kevin Rudd on behalf of the Australian taxpayer while the people smuggling trade goes on unabated and we taxi them here from 80km off of Java while Indonesia do nothing.

Mr Rudd and Mr Yudhoyono also flagged the establishment of a multi-million dollar red meat forum to help Indonesia expand its cattle industry.

Cattle producers in Australia's north have been struggling ever since Indonesia slashed quotas in a big to make its own herd self-sufficient.

Mr Yudhoyono welcomed the investment and said it will benefit both countries.

The cheque obviously isn't big enough for them to actively deal with transits through their own country beyond another talkfest and perhaps at best only represents part penalty for the live cattle export ban under Julia Gillard's government.

SBY might also be thinking he'll only get one KR in a lifetime and therefore likes him right where he is.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-05/annual-indonesia-australia-leaders27-meeting/4802680

 

[sptrawler]

You just have to look at the photo, to see what the caustic little sod, is up to.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...orpedoes-abbott-boat-plan-20130705-2ph5t.html

This is going to turn pear shaped, for Rudd. The man is a goose, if he thinks Australians can't see he is a player.

It will take about 10 more days before the pendulum, starts to swing back. The reporters will start and remember what a wally he is.IMO

Some people are just sad, nasty people. Funny how they congregate.

In my honest opinion, Bowen will be the only one that rises from the ashes.

 

[drsmith]

You just have to look at the photo, to see what the caustic little sod, is up to.

That is a rather sour expression on his face.

He's obviously not happy about something.

 

[sptrawler]

That is a rather sour expression on his face.

He's obviously not happy about something.

No, he's giving his 'this is serious' dumb @rse look.

Absolute dick.

 

[Calliope]

They've accepted the cheque from Kevin Rudd on behalf of the Australian taxpayer while the people smuggling trade goes on unabated and we taxi them here from 80km off of Java while Indonesia do nothing.

In a country where the bureaucracy operates on graft, we are obviously not bribing the right people...and Rudd is supposed to be an expert on Foreign Affairs.

This is an Indonesian boat in Indonesian waters only 42 nautical miles from Java for Christs sake, and they say "you rescue them" we can't be bothered, as we set a low priority on lives or responsibility. And the gutless Rudd will take this lying down.

 

[sptrawler]

In a country where the bureaucracy operates on graft, we are obviously not bribing the right people...and Rudd is supposed to be an expert on Foreign Affairs.

This is an Indonesian boat in Indonesian waters only 42 nautical miles from Java for Christs sake, and they say "you rescue them" we can't be bothered, as we set a low priority on lives or responsibility. And the gutless Rudd will take this lying down.

Yudhoyono is in a win,win situation. Rudd gives him money for bagging Abbott.
He also charges the asylum seekers for a transit visa.
What a winner he gets paid by our government, to encourage more to transit and charges the ones in transit.lol
What a scam, sounds like a Labor plan.IMO