Federal Labor Party discussion

[noco]

I didn't say I would do the research for you. Start with the States' constitution regarding laws and then the relevant legislation.

Cheers
Country Lad

I guess you are admitting you don't really know do you? You made the statement you did not believe what was revealed regarding Sharia law being allowed if the referendum was supported so now either back it up or eat your words.

To the best of my knowledge this piece of legislation is not a state issue.

But apart from the point and knowing how one is always suspicious with this Green/Labor left wing socialist government, they will have a hidden agenda which they don't want to reveal to voters.

I ask the question, why are they allowing 10 times the amount of money to promote the 'YES' case over the 'NO' case?

 

[Country Lad]

I guess you are admitting you don't really know do you?

No, it is not me who doesn't know, that is why I suggested you do some research. I have told you where to start. You are the one who posted stuff without any evidence, just "from a friend".

 

[drsmith]

If genuine (which I doubt), the party might reform a Kevin Rudd prime-ministership for a second time before Kevin Rudd reforms the party.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ervention-in-nsw/story-fn59niix-1226674177989

Labor needs a long stint in opposition to go through this process.

 

[McLovin]

I guess you are admitting you don't really know do you? You made the statement you did not believe what was revealed regarding Sharia law being allowed if the referendum was supported so now either back it up or eat your words.

To the best of my knowledge this piece of legislation is not a state issue.

Of course it's a state issue. One of the main objectives of the Constitution is to define the interaction between the states and the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth's powers to legislate are enumerated in s51 of the Constitution. Everything else is left to the states. The states are sovereign entities that have the exclusive power to legislate within their territory on all matters not listed in s51. If that email was true, then it would be essentially removing the sovereignty of the states. Do you think they would just be sitting there?

Not surprisingly, the email is also wrong about the UK.

 

[sptrawler]

If genuine (which I doubt), the party might reform a Kevin Rudd prime-ministership for a second time before Kevin Rudd reforms the party.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ervention-in-nsw/story-fn59niix-1226674177989
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The unions will be fuming.
That is unless it is a ploy to try and stop a Royal Commission being called, when the coalition take office.

 

[Julia]

Kev is a busy little bee, isn't he. He must have spent his time on the back bench planning how he's going to overturn the country.

His goading of Tony Abbott re not having 'the ticker' to front up to a debate is wearing thin already.
For him to announce that he has booked the Press Club for next Thursday and expects Mr Abbott to turn up is absurd and gives the lie to his earnest avowal that he has changed.

 

[explod]

Kev is a busy little bee, isn't he. He must have spent his time on the back bench planning how he's going to overturn the country.

His goading of Tony Abbott re not having 'the ticker' to front up to a debate is wearing thin already.
For him to announce that he has booked the Press Club for next Thursday and expects Mr Abbott to turn up is absurd and gives the lie to his earnest avowal that he has changed.

With respect, certainly not absurd. The request is reasonable but the task for Abbott too much. And deep down this is the fear of those on his side of the fence.

Sitting on the fence at this time is revealing indeed.

Still hold to my prediction at the coming election for lower house, ALP 55% to Lib 45% two party preferred.

This weekends polls results should be Rudd's signal to call election in 30 days before Libs wake up and put Turnbull in.

 

[MrBurns]

With respect, certainly not absurd. The request is reasonable but the task for Abbott too much. And deep down this is the fear of those on his side of the fence.

Sitting on the fence at this time is revealing indeed.

Still hold to my prediction at the coming election for lower house, ALP 55% to Lib 45% two party preferred.

This weekends polls results should be Rudd's signal to call election in 30 days before Libs wake up and put Turnbull in.

I think it is absurd he is ordering Abbott around in an attempt to look tough, it wont work.

 

[explod]

I think it is absurd he is ordering Abbott around in an attempt to look tough, it wont work.

Not sure we could say ordering. He is certainly laying out some challenges. If Abbott is not up to this then is he Prime Minister material.

And it is looking like Rudd is tough, perhaps that is what the electorate is looking for after the last year or so.

 

[MrBurns]

Not sure we could say ordering. He is certainly laying out some challenges. If Abbott is not up to this then is he Prime Minister material.

And it is looking like Rudd is tough, perhaps that is what the electorate is looking for after the last year or so.

Rudd hasn't even set the election date yet is hiring venues for debates, he's a manipulator and unworthy of anyone's vote.

 

[db94]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/coroner8217s-findings-over-home-insulation-deaths-a-blow-to-kevin-rudd/story-fnihsrf2-1226674378071
"It also notes the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet did not respond to warnings issued by the Queensland Building Services Authority about the program."
trustworthy Kev hey. The past has come back to haunt him

 

[springhill]

Any debate should take place under official election campaign conditions, or loopholes are left for both sides of the debate to backflip.

As Abbott said there are 2 appropriate places to debate at this point. In parliament or in an election campaign.

On radio today it was said that no federal election debates had ever taken place outside of official election campaign, can anyone very or otherwise?

Rudd is being a showman. We all know he is capable of this, but is he capable of governing? He has shown nothing in his second bite of the cherry so far to prove he can.

To this point it is the same old recycled fluff from Rudd. People grew sick of it last time, how long does he think putting on a show with no real substance will last until it wears thin? Until October at least by the looks of it.

IMO his arrogance or temper will be his undoing. He needs to tread very carefully. If the public get one whiff that KRudd Mk2 is in fact KRudd MK1 with a paint job it is going to get very ugly.

The question that stays with me throughout all this is how long into Rudd's term, if he wins office, until the unions leak information against Rudd in order to destabilise him and install their own man, Shorten, or another?

I don't expect Rudd to see out a full term and this is something the public should be aware of when voting Labor.
If I was the Libs it would be one of my key election advertisements.

 

[drsmith]

If I was the Libs it would be one of my key election advertisements.

I think it will be.

 

[Zedd]

If the public get one whiff that KRudd Mk2 is in fact KRudd MK1 with a paint job it is going to get very ugly.

I'd say the same goes for Abbott. We haven't seen the old Tony for a while now, but if anyone can coax him out of his PR crafted image it'd be Rudd in a one-on-one.

I don't expect Rudd to see out a full term and this is something the public should be aware of when voting Labor.

I can see Abbott seeing out multiple terms and this is something the public should be aware of when voting Liberal.

Rock < :1zhelp: >Hard Place while the man who could and should be running the country is left in a minor portfolio, arguing trivial matters.

 

[So_Cynical]

I always though that Tony's thin veneer of credibility was vulnerable, already the cracks are appearing...i reckon Tony's political career may have almost reached its use by date.

Tony lost the last election vote and then lost it again in the negotiations with the independents, a 2 time loser...Kevin is a winner, look at the determination and tenacity required to come back like he did and i think lots of people can connect with him on a human level, the tears of the back stab, the roller coaster of the comeback and the final 18 month plan culminating in his return.

Tony has nothing in comparison, nothing that makes him humanly appealing.

Labor has a real chance of winning IMO.

 

[sptrawler]

Not sure we could say ordering. He is certainly laying out some challenges. If Abbott is not up to this then is he Prime Minister material.

And it is looking like Rudd is tough, perhaps that is what the electorate is looking for after the last year or so.

If Rudd had any balls, he would state an election date, then let the game commence.
He is just a sad little man.IMO

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I always though that Tony's thin veneer of credibility was vulnerable, already the cracks are appearing...i reckon Tony's political career may have almost reached its use by date.

Tony lost the last election vote and then lost it again in the negotiations with the independents, a 2 time loser...Kevin is a winner, look at the determination and tenacity required to come back like he did and i think lots of people can connect with him on a human level, the tears of the back stab, the roller coaster of the comeback and the final 18 month plan culminating in his return.

Tony has nothing in comparison, nothing that makes him humanly appealing.

Labor has a real chance of winning IMO.

Eventually the law of averages will prove you right So_Cyclical, I don't think it will be this time.

The milky bar kid, won't cut it.lol

 

[Julia]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/coroner8217s-findings-over-home-insulation-deaths-a-blow-to-kevin-rudd/story-fnihsrf2-1226674378071
"It also notes the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet did not respond to warnings issued by the Queensland Building Services Authority about the program."
trustworthy Kev hey. The past has come back to haunt him

There was an interview on 7.30 with the parents of one of the young men who was electrocuted amongst the installation of the pink batts, following the coroner's damning findings today.
Leigh Sales asked them who they blamed for their son's death. Mr Fuller said "Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan".
When asked if there was anything else she would like to say to Mr Rudd, Mrs Fuller said "I'd just like for him to completely disappear!"

They have received no apology from any of the above political leaders.

I always though that Tony's thin veneer of credibility was vulnerable, already the cracks are appearing...i reckon Tony's political career may have almost reached its use by date.

Tony lost the last election vote

Not correct. If that had been true, there would have been no need for Labor to seek the support of the Independents to form a minority government. Try to at least get your facts right.

abor and the Coalition each won 72 seats in the 150-seat House of Representatives,[1] four short of the requirement for majority government, resulting in the first hung parliament since the 1940 election.[2][3][4] Six crossbenchers held the balance of power.[5][6] Greens MP Adam Bandt and independent MPs Andrew Wilkie, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor declared their support for Labor on confidence and supply.[7][8] Independent MP Bob Katter and National Party of Western Australia MP Tony Crook declared their support for the Coalition on confidence and supply.[9][10] The resulting 76–74 margin entitled Labor to form a minority government.

SC, if Labor came out with a policy of everyone being required to turn cartwheels in the street, you would find a way of endorsing it.

 

[drsmith]

Labor is the master of cartwheels.

 

[Julia]

Labor is the master of cartwheels.

 

[sptrawler]

Rudd is talking up diversity and job creation in manufacturing.

Hang on, isn't that the sector they've torn the throat out of, over the last six years? What a dick.