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MrBurns said:
Oh dear how kind of Labor people to assist the Libs next campaign strategy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-29/alp-boss-delivers-scathing-post-election-analysis/5052720
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On the gothic theme, is that the smell of the charred corpse of a former Labor PM being burned at the stake by the party for a second time ?

LABOR'S 11th-hour leadership switch to Kevin Rudd saved the party up to 25 seats, leaving it in a competitive position to fight the next election, says ALP national secretary George Wright.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ef-george-wright/story-fn59niix-1226749045565
 
drsmith said:
On the gothic theme, is that the smell of the charred corpse of a former Labor PM being burned at the stake by the party for a second time ?



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ef-george-wright/story-fn59niix-1226749045565
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ruth-about-labor/story-fnahw9xv-1226749992468

Tha Labor Party are obviuosly a rabble of political misfits.


Niki Savva
Voters deserve to know truth about Labor by: Niki Savva |From: The Australian |October 31, 2013 12:00AM 0
THERE have been several substantial critiques from significant participants in the previous Labor government detailing how, what, where, when and why they thought it all went wrong.
We should welcome them all.

Nicola Roxon says it fell apart because Kevin Rudd was a bastard. Bob Carr reckons it was because everyone except him was politically dumb.

The party's national secretary, George Wright, skipped across the minefields of disunity and policy failings to land on the positive: namely, that it could have been worse because, under Julia Gillard, Labor was destined to win only 30 seats in the House of Representatives whereas under Rudd it won 55.

Next week, the relentlessly cheery Bruce Hawker will release his version with the publication of The Rudd Rebellion: The Campaign to Save Labor. The first part of the title alludes to the Rum Rebellion and removal of the volatile governor William Bligh in 1808. The second part fits with Wright's narrative, which has it that under Rudd, flaws and all, Labor lives to fight another day.

Those intimately involved should be encouraged to talk about what happened, notwithstanding the Newspoll showing a dip in Labor's support post-election. That was always bound to happen.

It's a good thing to discuss openly what should be done to repair the damage. Partly, it's therapeutic. Venting and sharing always make you feel better, at least for a time, and sometimes longer, if you are smart enough to show you have learned from your mistakes. Mainly it's good because the Labor Party, as well as the rest of us, deserve to know what happened and why. Who better to tell us about it than those responsible, even if some of the observations are self-serving, self-justifying or even self-pitying.

According to some people, Roxon also could be a bit of a B - no, not Bambi - to deal with. She was a tough cookie who dished it out brutally to those she thought were crossing her, even reportedly calling one professional a "f . . king medical researcher" to his face and dressing down a patient-support group for remonstrating from the gallery when she got an answer wrong in parliament. They had expected Roxon to apologise for her slip-up. Silly them.

Nevertheless, her advice to keep yourself nice, even if she didn't always follow it herself, was right, as was her emphasis on the need to observe proper cabinet processes, keep focused on the big ideas and avoid getting captivated by minutiae.

Present administration take note. All the stuff about how mean Kevin was to everyone and how hard he made them work, we knew already.

Demonstrating his political canniness, Carr threw red meat to the crocodiles as he announced a resignation he had sworn repeatedly would not happen. Rather than simply allow journalists to chew on him for lying to them and the voters, he offered his views of where everybody else went wrong.

Carr was so moved by a cabinet agenda listing coal-seam gas for discussion that he failed to attend, even though as senior senator in the states' house he could have proffered a NSW perspective on a difficult issue. His no-show at that meeting in early March meant he missed the disastrous surprise package on media reform, which he claimed convinced him it was time to switch from Gillard to Rudd, something else that he swore hadn't happened.

Carr's advice to those he left behind, on the vexed question of carbon pricing, was to wait for the climate to change. Seriously. In a voice as mellifluous as Nellie Melba's, with matching penchant for farewells, he counselled "drift" because, if drought struck again, Australians could again warm to Labor's option.

Alternatively, Wright argues that it would dishonour the blood already shed if Labor abandoned carbon pricing.

On that basis, you would continue the war in Afghanistan when really the time to bring the troops home has long passed.

Wright argued Labor was on the right side of history, the right side of science and the right side of economic arguments. What he neglected to say was that Labor was on the right side of the political argument.

Just a thought, but who would believe Bill Shorten if he went to the next election promising there would be no carbon tax under a government he led, after having voted against the repeal? Or if, having voted for the repeal, he went to the election promising to introduce a new version of it, who would vote for him?

Wright nominated the removal of a first-term prime minister as the root cause of Labor's problems. On that, he and Hawker agree. Hawker rejects the description of himself as a Ruddophile, saying he simply believed Rudd was "easily" the best leader Labor had in 2007 and this year.

"His removal was the most ill-advised and damaging event in the party's history since the (1955) split," Hawker tells me.

"Rudd is, like all of us, a flawed person and those flaws, as I point out in the book, were part of the reason for the move against him. However, those flaws did not justify the action to remove him."

Hawker also cautions against getting too hung up on the Bligh parallels, saying it is an "imperfect historical allusion". "It's really a story of a tempestuous period and the ramifications," he says.

In his inimitable way, Tony Abbott gave his own critique of Labor's time in government, describing it to The Washington Post as wacko, incompetent and untrustworthy. Suggestions that this would inhibit his relations with US President Barack Obama were also a bit wacko. The Prime Minister was critical of Australian politicians - not Australia, and not America or Americans - unlike former treasurer Wayne Swan, who used far-right Republicans to tar Abbott.

Last March, only a few months before her dumping by Labor, Gillard also did an interview with The Washington Post. She answered questions about the instability besetting her government and along the way offered this view of one of her mentors: "One of our most celebrated Labor prime ministers, Bob Hawke - a well-known and self-confessed man with a hard-drinking, hard-living, womanising reputation - that was just accepted as Bob."

Like Abbott, she was not telling the Americans anything they didn't know, or that wasn't true. Hopefully, she will be even more forthcoming in her book.



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james 5ptsFeatured
1 hour agoHi Niki, Brilliant article. Love that bit on Carr. Pity is not everybody in ALP is smart like him deserting the sinking ship like a cunning rat.

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Pat. 5ptsFeatured
1 hour agoNothing changes. rather than jobs for the boys, that's been renamed, jobs for the girls in the labor party. The only reason being that Shorten can skite he has yet another female senator. Just love the statement that O'Neill fended off 2 opponents for the position vacated by Bob Carr. What rot. That position had O'Neill's name on it even before Carr retired - again. It could only happen in politics. A person is sacked, then reinstated almost immediately, having been voted out democratically. The constant boast by labor lovers that Rudd saved them seats is so much BS. Many seats supposedly saved, were due to preferences, NOT Rudd. Rudd was fortunate (depending on your view) to be re-elected. Would not have been without preferences. Same goes for Swan and several others. As for Roxon's speech, it was on a par with Gillard's misogyny speech - disgraceful. If those speeches are what's to be expected from the much exalted female content of the Labor government, that makes me appreciate the lack of them in Abbott's government. Don't think many female voters are imopressed by cattiness. It's childish and unparliamentary.

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Lawrence 5ptsFeatured
1 hour agoSo long as Labor excuses itself and blames it's failures on poor communication or the foibles of their leaders it will continue to drift into oblivion. Labor only represents union and political operatives plus academic misfits who consider themselves superior and as such doomed to remain irrelevant. When Labor admit they need to draw their representatives from a broader section of society and accept that most Australians are quite capable of looking after themselves they may have a future.

Not your best effort, Nikki.


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Peter 5ptsFeatured
1 hour agoCan't tell whether your comments are sarcastic or not Niki. Introspection and personal analysis rarely provide any insights. The observer and the analyst being the same leads to self justification rather than critical, constructive, resolution. The reality is that Labour has lost touch with it's roots, managed by an elite and served by union power brokers, there is little improvement likely in the near future.

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Les 5ptsFeatured
1 hour agoUnfortunetly Niki, this article has no bearing on the real truth about labours (sic) real demise only the realisation some journos, like yourself and labour, (sic) and as Jack Nickelson also so aptly put it,

"" CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!! ""

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fred 5ptsFeatured
2 hours agolove the feathers flying among labor {cat among the pigeons) blame any one except the culprit,s what a sookey lot they are already very deflated after a very short term in opposition powerbill coming across as wimpy and sneaky i so look forward to question time i feel abbott will graciously chew him up and spit him out??

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Bill Shorten and his Shadow Ministers appear to be at odds with each other on how to handle the Indonesian spy claim.
Bill is trying to express bi-partisan support with the Government on one hand and then critizising Abbott on the other hand for not apologising like Obama did to Angela Merkel.
Bill Shorten should perhaps do his own apologising on behalf of the Labor Party who were in power in 2009 when the spying was alledged to have taken place instead of expecting Abbott to carry the $**t can for him.
I think Shorten is in a catch 22 situation at the moment.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ssages-on-crisis/story-fn59nm2j-1226765661199
 
noco said:
Bill Shorten and his Shadow Ministers appear to be at odds with each other on how to handle the Indonesian spy claim.
Bill is trying to express bi-partisan support with the Government on one hand and then critizising Abbott on the other hand for not apologising like Obama did to Angela Merkel.
Bill Shorten should perhaps do his own apologising on behalf of the Labor Party who were in power in 2009 when the spying was alledged to have taken place instead of expecting Abbott to carry the $**t can for him.
I think Shorten is in a catch 22 situation at the moment.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ssages-on-crisis/story-fn59nm2j-1226765661199
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From what I have read over the last few days, Obama did not apologise to Merkel, at least publicly. I believe he only stated that the US are not currently tapping her phone and will not do so in the future.

Gillard saying that Abbott should apologise (as did Carr) is tacit admission that the allegations are true, something that apparently by convention no PM (or ex PM) is supposed to concede. The standard line is no comment on the allegations but some unrelated statement acknowledging the embarrassment caused, which is what Abbott has done.

I agree with you. If any apology is to be made, it should be by Rudd and the apology should be to Abbott for the diplomatic mess they have dumped on his government, as the alleged activities which they are tacitly admitting to happened under his watch.
 
The ALP need to pull Brendan O'Connor's head in.

This member of the factional left, is not only abandoning bi-partisanship on the SBY affair between parties, but establishing a beach-head to pull his party further left towards the Green stance on foreign affairs.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brendan-oconnor-attack-undermines-labor-stance-on-indonesia-spying-affair-20131126-2y6wz.html

Labor MP Brendan O'Connor has undermined the opposition's claim that it is taking a “team Australia” bipartisan approach to the Indonesian spying crisis with the sharpest criticisms yet of the government's handling of the affair.

On Tuesday, Mr O'Connor contradicted Opposition Leader Bill Shorten's promise that Labor would resist playing politics and support Prime Minister Tony Abbott in his handling of the fallout of a spying scandal that happened under the watch of former prime minister Kevin Rudd in 2009.

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Labor has been unable to form a consistent position on Indonesia after leaked documents revealed that Australia attempted to tap the mobile phones of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, his wife and other senior ministers.

Mr Shorten reflected this confusion when he appeared to advocate two different positions on consecutive days in Parliament last week.
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Garpal Gumnut said:
The ALP need to pull Brendan O'Connor's head in.

This member of the factional left, is not only abandoning bi-partisanship on the SBY affair between parties, but establishing a beach-head to pull his party further left towards the Green stance on foreign affairs.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/brendan-oconnor-attack-undermines-labor-stance-on-indonesia-spying-affair-20131126-2y6wz.html

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It's just politics GG. The leader pretends to hold hands while he sends out the snipers to do the dirty work.

Meanwhile, the government gets on with governing and is not too worried about the noise outside.
 
Looks like our Bill lets his b**** control his brains and Rudd knew about some time ago.

The thing I cannot understand is why the girl has taken so long to lay a complaint.

Now let's see how the ABC handle this one...if it had been Abbott they and the AGE would have been all over it in a flash. The silence from the ABC will be deafening.

And the Labor Party will quickly come to the defencw of Shorten " INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY".


http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com...l-in-1986-victorian-police-are-investigating/
 
Alcoa was propped up by Gillard to the tune of $40,000,000 in 2012 and they are still going to close their smelter.
Half of that prop up was used to pay higher wages....Now the well is dry, they are going to pull up stumps.

Under the life of that EBA, the entry-level wage for a continuous seven-day shift worker was hiked from $82,106 annually to $91,571 by 2015. The wage for an experienced continuous seven-day shift worker went from $119,334 annually to $133,092 in 2015.

By sheer coincidence, $40 million is what Alcoa had said the year before was what the carbon tax would cost its Victorian plants:





Vhttp://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_labor_blew_40_million_on_its_favorite_union/
 
Funny how Martin Ferguson, now he has left parliament, says wages and conditions are out of control.lol

Funny how when he was in the ACTU and the ALP, wages had to go up and up, no matter what damage it did to business.

It really is a shame he is being ostracized by his party, for telling the truth.

If he had any @alls he would have stayed the distance, he bailed out the same as Peter Costello.

They both had the brains and Australia at heart, but they both took the easy road.:xyxthumbs
 
noco said:
I cannot believe the Labor Party and their rag time unions will let Quantas go in a similiar fashion to Ansett.

Do they really have the workers and the National interest at heart of are they just playing politics.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-downward-spiral/story-e6frg7bo-1226845177579
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What a fun read that was! Give management a free pass, it's all the unions fault. Interesting re-telling of the Ansett collapse too. I dare say if Virgin had bought it, Virgin would have sunk too. I think anytime you watch anything produced by Fox, you can thank Ansett.;)
 
McLovin said:
What a fun read that was! Give management a free pass, it's all the unions fault. Interesting re-telling of the Ansett collapse too. I dare say if Virgin had bought it, Virgin would have sunk too. I think anytime you watch anything produced by Fox, you can thank Ansett.;)
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Another fun read for you McLovin...this time about thuggery in the Building Construction industry.

December GDP figures released on Wednesday showed new building construction had fallen 2.3 per cent for the quarter.

"The best I think we can do for building sites around the nation is ensure that some of the thuggery that has been part and parcel of disputes, whether in the middle of Melbourne or anywhere else, is removed from the industrial scene," Mr Hockey said in Canberra.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...on-growth-hockey/story-fn3dxiwe-1226845975623
 
Another Labor Party debacle.......Another unionized industry subsidized by the tax payers......Incompetence at the highest level in ordering inferior Chinese piping.........we make piping in Australia.....why did Labor send jobs off shore.....Labor just do not know how to manage our money and further more they are so hypocritical.....They have been harping on in Parliament all this week about Qantas jobs going off shore....OMG

Is it any wonder we now have such high debt and deficit.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/n...-1226847274212
 
noco said:
Another Labor Party debacle.......Another unionized industry subsidized by the tax payers......Incompetence at the highest level in ordering inferior Chinese piping.........we make piping in Australia.....why did Labor send jobs off shore.....Labor just do not know how to manage our money and further more they are so hypocritical.....They have been harping on in Parliament all this week about Qantas jobs going off shore....OMG

Is it any wonder we now have such high debt and deficit.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/n...-1226847274212
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rumpole said:
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Actually I tend to think you and noco, have a lot in common, just different ends of the spectrum.
You both seem passionate about your beliefs, which is great.

Anyway getting back on track, listening to Shorten, he is giving the Government a lot of ammunition.

"We will pump money into Qantas".
"We will pump money into Holden".
"We will pump money into Toyota".
"We will pump money into Coca Cola".
To save jobs.lol
We will use tax payers money to support these companies.

Then we will tax them heavily, they will pass this tax increase on, as price increases.lol
Then workers go for pay rises, due to price rises.
As if that's going to work long term.

The Labor Party really has to reinvent itself, the general public is much more informed these days.
They are trying to convince todays public, with yesterdays hyperbole, no one believes it.IMO:D
The goon show continues.
 

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