Federal Labor Party discussion

[sails]

not to defend Kevin but if we really send "refugees to PNG" it will not take long to see that the flow will stop really fast; and the ads the government is now funding should not be on national tv but broadcastred by BBC internationals

Manus can take 600 (now that those that were there have been flown to Australia.

Over 700 have arrived since the announcement took effect. So there are 100 too many already. It seems the boats are not stopping...

 

[drsmith]

Kevin Rudd will hope to slow the flow of boats prior to the election, but if re-elected, Labor would largely walk away from its current PNG solution due to the ideological discomfort it creates and the enormous cost.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...he-rush-of-boats/story-fn9hm1gu-1226685294089

 

[Zedd]

According to Andrew Bolt...

... Labour's first mistake was registering as a party.

 

[Julia]

not to defend Kevin but if we really send "refugees to PNG" it will not take long to see that the flow will stop really fast; and the ads the government is now funding should not be on national tv but broadcastred by BBC internationals

Well, the signs so far are less than encouraging to this end. The flow of boats has actually increased.
It's my bet that the people smugglers and the asylum seekers are, not unreasonably, banking on the Rudd government failing to follow through, and are believing they will achieve entry to Australia.
Can't blame them for that, given the last several years.

 

[bunyip]

Why are you so sure of that, PNG on Australian welfare, may be a reasonable outcome for many.

Indeed - it's quite likely that many of them will see PNG as a far better option than staying in their home countries where they and their families suffer constant persecution and are living in fear for their lives.
And having been granted asylum in PNG, presumably they would then be eligible to apply for citizenship which, if granted, would open up the possibility of moving a little further south to Australia.

At least, that's how many of these asylum seekers are likely to be thinking. In which case the boats will keep coming.

Whichever way it goes, Rudd is clearly going to add many more billions of dollars to the ten or twelve billion he's already cost us by stupidly dumping (he calls it 'adjusting'!) Howard's Pacific Solution that was doing a very efficient job of keeping the boats out.

 

[bunyip]

There are just so many aspects of this deal that will negatively impact PNG, and Julian O’Neil appears to have been blissfully ignorant of them when he signed up. He’s in for a very rude awakening.

'Julian' O'Neill??? I was thinking of that bad boy footballer Julian O'Neill, the talented sportsman who was engaged to swim star Samantha Reilly, a bloke who had the world at his feet before he started boozing and misbehaving until both rugby league and then rugbby union got sick of him and told him to get lost.

In referring to the PNG Prime Minister, I did of course mean to say Peter O'Neill.

 

[sydboy007]

So Albanese reckons we'll have first dirt turned on a second airport for Sydney in 3 and a bit years.

Pull the other one.

I doubt we'll ever have a second airport built closer than Newcastle or Canberra.

Neither Labor nor the Coalition have the balls to pick a site.

I really don't know why politicians bother telling these porkies when no one is going to believe them.

 

[bunyip]

So Albanese reckons we'll have first dirt turned on a second airport for Sydney in 3 and a bit years.

Pull the other one.

I doubt we'll ever have a second airport built closer than Newcastle or Canberra.

Neither Labor nor the Coalition have the balls to pick a site.

I really don't know why politicians bother telling these porkies when no one is going to believe them.

Oh there will be people who believe him alright, just as there are fools who believe the constant stream of rubbish from spruikers like Rudd and Gillard and Shorten and Wong.
Labor voters have always been a very gullible lot.

 

[noco]

An election in the 31st August!!!!!!!!!! I don't think so.

Mr. Kevin Chaos has told world leaders he will meet them at the G20 meeting in September.

I am sure the world leaders just can't wait to meet him.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...at-g20-in-russia/story-fnihslxi-1226686542308

 

[drsmith]

An election in the 31st August!!!!!!!!!! I don't think so.

Mr. Kevin Chaos has told world leaders he will meet them at the G20 meeting in September.

I am sure the world leaders just can't wait to meet him.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...at-g20-in-russia/story-fnihslxi-1226686542308

This week's Newspoll wasn't good enough.

September 21 is now the next possibility.

 

[sptrawler]

This week's Newspoll wasn't good enough.

September 21 is now the next possibility.

The further he pushes out the election the better, everyone is already getting sick of the sight of him. He really does love to see himself on t.v, what a anker.

 

[drsmith]

The further he pushes out the election the better, everyone is already getting sick of the sight of him. He really does love to see himself on t.v, what a anker.

Kev want's to be careful how long he delays the election.

He could end up leading Labor to an even bigger annihilation than Julia Gillard.

 

[noco]

This week's Newspoll wasn't good enough.

September 21 is now the next possibility.

Yes Doc, I think you are spot on with the election date for Rudd won't want to miss the G20 meeting Septmeber 5 and 6. He will want to glory in mixing with the world leaders. I hope he leaves his clown suit at home.

Perhaps Rudd might believe he can get some election mileage out of this important meeting before he goes to the polls.

Also he may not have to recall parliament if he chooses September 21

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/..._think_rudd_will_run_the_second_he_thinks_he/

 

[drsmith]

Also he may not have to recall parliament if he chooses September 21

I did read in the media that with this date, he could avoid the next sittings.

Labor can still have an election as late as September 21 and avoid recalling parliament by announcing the election on the weekend of August 17-18.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...day-of-reckoning/story-e6frg75f-1226685225530

 

[noco]

Gary Johns sums up our spend and tax Prime Minister Rudd extremely well.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...nother-wish-list/story-fn8v83qk-1226687761447

 

[bunyip]

The media have come up with a new nickname for Kevin 07, referring to him as Kevin 747 in reference to his prodigious talent for jumping on jets and heading off around the globe at our expense. Since becoming PM just over a month ago, the supposedly changed man Kevin Rudd is reported to have flown 55,000 km, and racked up a bill of more than half a million dollars.

This bloke’s talent for wasting money isn’t limited to air travel either, as he’s demonstrated many times and continues to do so. The PNG town of Leahy is getting an upgrade to their hospital, costing somewhere between 300 and 600 million dollars, half of which will be funded by Australia. I daresay this will be only one of many sweetheart deals that will continue to drain the finances of our already cash strapped government, as PNG’s reward for accepting our boat arrivals. As usual, funding will be provided by cuts to our own already grossly inadequate services and infrastructure.
I shudder to think what Rudd’s ill-considered deal with PNG will end up costing us. Understandably, nobody in the government has been forthcoming with any figures – they simply don’t have any idea what the cost will be.

 

[sptrawler]

Here we go, the first blow up in their face backflip. They go on about Abbott and three word slogans, what about the government policy making, three ring circus.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ease-fbt-car-hit/story-fni0xqrb-1226687859119

So now to try and back fill the hole on the car leasing fiasco, they are talking about giving government employees a $3000 rebate.
Wow that sound fair and reasonable to the rest of the community.lol
So non government workers pay full whack, and also help pay for a government employees $3000 cash back.

Captain chaos at the wheel, do you want batts with that.

 

[noco]

Here we go, the first blow up in their face backflip. They go on about Abbott and three word slogans, what about the government policy making, three ring circus.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ease-fbt-car-hit/story-fni0xqrb-1226687859119

So now to try and back fill the hole on the car leasing fiasco, they are talking about giving government employees a $3000 rebate.
Wow that sound fair and reasonable to the rest of the community.lol
So non government workers pay full whack, and also help pay for a government employees $3000 cash back.

Captain chaos at the wheel, do you want batts with that.

More policy on the run. Does the Labor Party really know what they are doing?

 

[noco]

Does Treasury really know what they are doing or are they being manipulated by the Treasurer Chris Bowen.

From all accounts it would appear their $18 billion deficit will blown out by another $10 billion.

Not much when you say it quickly.

And to top it off Labor have no idea what this PNG deal is going to cost. OMG what a bunch of idiots we have running the country.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-numbers-dont-add-up/story-e6frg6z6-1226688347537

 

[boofhead]

I have yet to find someone that does a better job consistantly over a long period of time than treasury. If we could predict the future well enough we probably wouldn't be here discussing it - we would be very wealthy on easy street. Treasury didn't receive as much criticism when it worked in favour during the Howard years.