Fake News - Global Warming Consensus

[Logique]

..Climate change will be increasingly more responsible for severe weather events ...

And there we have it. In the mind of the alarmist, whether hot or cold, there's no way to disprove their doctrine of 'climate change'.
Take that 'deniers' (which is not a Holocaust allusion at all)

 

[Knobby22]

And there we have it. In the mind of the alarmist, whether hot or cold, there's no way to disprove their doctrine of 'climate change'.
Take that 'deniers' (which is not a Holocaust allusion at all)

Yes, there is only measurements which shows warming and sea levels rising.

Seen Antarctica at the present moment? Massive ice melt, and scientists are surprised. Not meant to be happening this quickly.

 

[Ann]

Climate change will be increasingly more responsible for severe weather events. That means more all time record cold events, as well as hottest events.
Unfortunately those denying climate science were using use any and all "cold" records and events to show that warming was not geographically consistent across the globe.

The atmosphere and climate of earth is always changing, rotating from ice ages to warmer periods over the last four and a half billion years. Severe climate change, weather events, tectonic shifts and volcanic eruptions are continually forming and reforming the earth. The power of earth, the planets and the solar system combined, create a massive force of nature. The thought of any efforts by a puny little micro-organism such as humans being able to have any effect on this immense force of nature is simply laughable. It is a bedtime story for the kiddies and a revenue raiser for governments.

 

[Knobby22]

The atmosphere and climate of earth is always changing, rotating from ice ages to warmer periods over the last four and a half billion years. Severe climate change, weather events, tectonic shifts and volcanic eruptions are continually forming and reforming the earth. The power of earth, the planets and the solar system combined, create a massive force of nature. The thought of any efforts by a puny little micro-organism such as humans being able to have any effect on this immense force of nature is simply laughable. It is a bedtime story for the kiddies and a revenue raiser for governments.

If only we knew the cause of the last 30 years very fast warming[emoji6].

 

[rederob]

And there we have it. In the mind of the alarmist, whether hot or cold, there's no way to disprove their doctrine of 'climate change'.
Take that 'deniers' (which is not a Holocaust allusion at all)

Science has it that adding more energy to something will affect an outcome. The planet has measurably warmed and many long-term weather patterns are now different. Changes to the regular pattern of the Arctic Jet Stream, for example, create the phenomena of "bomb-cyclones".
So in fact, more extreme weather events are wholly consistent with climate science.

 

[Junior]

The atmosphere and climate of earth is always changing, rotating from ice ages to warmer periods over the last four and a half billion years. Severe climate change, weather events, tectonic shifts and volcanic eruptions are continually forming and reforming the earth. The power of earth, the planets and the solar system combined, create a massive force of nature. The thought of any efforts by a puny little micro-organism such as humans being able to have any effect on this immense force of nature is simply laughable. It is a bedtime story for the kiddies and a revenue raiser for governments.

Yet, these puny little micro-organisms have managed to clear MORE THAN HALF of Earth's forested areas.

You can barely tell that we're here.

 

[Ann]

Yet, these puny little micro-organisms have managed to clear MORE THAN HALF of Earth's forested areas.

You can barely tell that we're here.

Probably one of the issues for the increase in CO2, not enough grasslands or forests to sequester the CO2. Not to worry, the next major iceage will probably see most of the human race out with disease, famine, wars and other assorted little events the earth uses to cull unwanted viruses which have grown too big for their boots.

 

[Ann]

If only we knew the cause of the last 30 years very fast warming[emoji6].

It will be a natural phenomenon, one which has been repeated over and over for the last 4.5 billion years of earth's existence and certainly over the last 200,000 years of the virus we know as humans having been here.

 

[rederob]

It will be a natural phenomenon, one which has been repeated over and over for the last 4.5 billion years of existance and certainly over the last 200,000 years of the virus we know as humans having been here.

Yes, natural beings caused an industrial revolution to ensure the cycle of consumption sustained increases to the global CO2 footprint by digging out coal and burning it, and by drilling oil from beneath the ground and consuming it.
Not sure where these naughty folk were 4.5 billion years ago or, for that matter, that there was ever a cycle spawned by self-combustible coal and oil previous to humans getting in on the act.
Are you creating a fake news cycle Ann?

 

[aussymatt]

I'm not one to believe in this global warming but I must say it's pretty F#$King hot at the moment in NE Victoria!

 

[Ann]

Yes, natural beings caused an industrial revolution to ensure the cycle of consumption sustained increases to the global CO2 footprint by digging out coal and burning it, and by drilling oil from beneath the ground and consuming it.
Not sure where these naughty folk were 4.5 billion years ago or, for that matter, that there was ever a cycle spawned by self-combustible coal and oil previous to humans getting in on the act.
Are you creating a fake news cycle Ann?

I may well be Rob, caution is recommended!
Mind you the increase in CO2 levels may have been caused by those naughty folk back during the industrial revolution who invented the tractor and harvestor who were able to clear fell thousands and thousand of acres in no time of CO2 sequstering grass lands and forests using a few litres of oil in their tractors and harvestors, then bringing home the crops, popping them in the cooking pot over some hot coals in the fireplace.

 

[rederob]

I may well be Rob, caution is recommended!
Mind you the increase in CO2 levels may have been caused by those naughty folk back during the industrial revolution who invented the tractor and harvestor who were able to clear fell thousands and thousand of acres in no time of CO2 sequstering grass lands and forests using a few litres of oil in their tractors and harvestors, then bringing home the crops, popping them in the cooking pot over some hot coals in the fireplace.

Well, that actually got underway proper in the 20th century as until then an exceptionally small fraction of total coal/oil available was consumed. Indeed average coal/oil consumption in the 20th century pales in comparison with the 21st century.

In any case we can isotopically separate the CO2 emanating from "natural" sources compared with human use of fossil fuels, so we are pretty sure it remains an anthropic contribution causing the CO2 accumulation.

 

[Ann]

Well, that actually got underway proper in the 20th century as until then an exceptionally small fraction of total coal/oil available was consumed. Indeed average coal/oil consumption in the 20th century pales in comparison with the 21st century.

In any case we can isotopically separate the CO2 emanating from "natural" sources compared with human use of fossil fuels, so we are pretty sure it remains an anthropic contribution causing the CO2 accumulation.

Then we are pretty much on the same page Rob but you come from an emanating contribution of CO2 and I come from a sequestering point of view. Having said that, scientists nowhere can conclusively prove CO2 is responsible for any natural climatic event.

What is happening and has been happening for over two decades is a massive investment into universities and the study of Global Warming/Climate Change.

Post grad students can apply for study grants for whatever subject appeals to them to continue their studies for higher qualifications. If someone is interested in the study of Puffins and their natural breeding habits, one of the best ways to secure a grant is to apply for the grant saying they wish to study Puffins and their breeding habits related to Global Warming. There is a fairly high chance they will get that grant to study the Puffins. Therefore yet another study has been made of Global Warming and its effects (or not). If not, the results will not be reported other than to say there was a study of Puffins breeding cycle related to Global Warming has been presented. By implication suggesting Puffins may be at risk caused by Global Warming or nowadays, the updated name for GW, Climate Change.

 

[Macquack]

It will be a natural phenomenon, one which has been repeated over and over for the last 4.5 billion years of earth's existence and certainly over the last 200,000 years of the virus we know as humans having been here.

Ann, are you a Christian?

 

[Ann]

Ann, are you a Christian?

I have studied ethics with a very intelligent Rabbi for many years. His belief is that creation happened around 5,760 years ago. That would then suggest Jesus who was also Jewish must have believed creation started around 3720 years prior to his birth. It is suggested we became an agrarian society about 8,000 to 10,000 years ago in Egypt. Belief systems and facts may not always be synonymous with each other. Religion and facts need always to be a mute argument in order to support a belief system.

 

[Joules MM1]

funny thread

 

[Joules MM1]

silly me, this is the correct video ...the one above this is completely wrong

 

[rederob]

... Having said that, scientists nowhere can conclusively prove CO2 is responsible for any natural climatic event.

Sorry Ann, that is not a logical sense, so I cannot respond.

What is happening and has been happening for over two decades is a massive investment into universities and the study of Global Warming/Climate Change.

There is zero evidence for this claim. I have seen it raised time and again and it is total nonsense. Both the USA and Australia have been cutting research funding as well as mainstream jobs related to climate. Furthermore, climate has always been a very narrow field of study with very few openings to full time work. Smart people can earn significantly more elsewhere than is possible in the field of climate.

If someone is interested in the study of Puffins and their natural breeding habits, one of the best ways to secure a grant is to apply for the grant saying they wish to study Puffins and their breeding habits related to Global Warming.

This is another nonsense claim. I suggest you talk to a few Vice Chancellors as they will sort you out quick smart. Grants are incredibly competitive in academia and research proposals are rigorously scrutinised.
I am surprised that people still trot out these rubbish ideas.

 

[rederob]

I quite agree, consensus is most definitely not science.
Regretfully, many climate choristers are seemingly oblivious to the importance of such distinctions!

So it's now, somehow, up to me, to disprove the existence of your chosen climate demon/s?!!

Tell you what! If you can disprove the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer, I will happily accept your challenge.

Care to oblige?

I deal with science.
You offer none.
I do not waste my time with pretenders.

 

[cynic]

I deal with science...

That's great to hear!
Can I expect to see some science from you anytime soon?