Fake news and its effect on the community

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[basilio]

The fall out from the Jan 6th attacks on Congress is coming. Inspired and orchestrated by Donald Trump, thousands of people decided that one way or another Congress was going to declare Trump the winner of the 2020 Presidential election.

Now the FBI is bringing in scores of ring leaders and basically using their social media comments to build a case for sedition - advocating the overthrow of the US government and having the means and capacity to make that happen. Sedition carries up to 20 years jail time.

The Guardian story examines this ongoing case. These are Trumps true believers who accepted his claims the election was stolen. These are claims Trump has never provided evidence for and no Trump lawyers have ever dared claim this in a Court of Law.

That is because they are a total pack of lies. Hundreds of people who believed these lies and stormed Congress in Trumps name and ran around looking for people to hang or kill now stand to spend lengthy jail terms for a lie.

Many of these people are just run of the mill guys/gals who just passionately believed the words of a shyster and liar. This is the effect of Fake News on the community. Our man Trump.

Seditionaries: FBI net closes on Maga mob that stormed the Capitol

A huge investigation has so far arrested 235 people, including far-right militants, members of the military – and otherwise unremarkable Trump fans

www.theguardian.com

 

[moXJO]

I'm not sure if they have any bad history, other then right wing smears, but Smartmatic are also going to make the fake news spreaders eat their words.

I was really surprised when I heard Maria Bartiromo repeat the false accusations without question. I had a lot of respect for her when she was on CNBC and at that time she was known to be capable of shifting markets based on what she opined. I was shocked when she moved to Fox, but as she was primarily on the Fox Business Network, I assumed that she could maintain some integrity. But no.

Voting technology company Smartmatic files $2.7 billion lawsuit against Fox News, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell over 'disinformation campaign'​

Voting technology company Smartmatic files $2.7 billion lawsuit against Fox News, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell over 'disinformation campaign'

A voting technology company swept up in baseless conspiracy theories about the 2020 election filed a monster $2.7 billion lawsuit on Thursday against Fox News, some of the network's star hosts, and pro-Trump attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, alleging the parties worked in concert to...

edition.cnn.com

Smartmatic's lawyer, J. Erik Connolly, told CNN Business that the case is one of the most "straightforward" he has ever seen. Connolly, who secured one of the largest defamation settlements ever in the "pink slime" case against ABC News, told CNN Business that because Smartmatic's role in the 2020 general election was limited to providing services to Los Angeles County, he could easily prove all the conspiracy theories false.

"By being able to say Smartmatic was in Los Angeles County and nowhere else, I've been able to prove a lie of everything they essentially said with one salient fact," Connolly told CNN. "I've been doing this for a long time and that might be one of the easiest ways to demonstrate falsity that I've ever had."

They were mentioned pre 2016 in the Guardian and nyt over various dealings. There's a history there.

 

[basilio]

Bill Maher gets to the point of why so many Americans believe in Trump.

 

[basilio]

And this clip explores how Q Anon sees itself a community saving the US with the support of Donald Trump.

 

[basilio]

“Donald Trump will serve the next four years as President! Biden is guilty of treason and willl [sic] be arrested at some point along with Obama, Bill and Hilary [sic] Clinton and many other deep state operatives!” he wrote on 1 January Malcom George 2016 WA Liberal Party Candidate

Why is Q Anon attracting people?

How Australia became fertile ground for misinformation and QAnon

Australians have proven highly capable of adapting international conspiracy theories like QAnon to the local context. And the problem is not going away

www.theguardian.com

 

[dutchie]

Fake news is very harmful to society and I agree with Tucker Carlson that the mainstream media is 'our most corrupt institution'.
The corruption has an affect on elections, who is cancelled and who is not, what news is spread and how.

The MSM is responsible for the proliferation of fake news all over the net, in forums like this one etc (I don't exclude myself). People see the MSM getting away with fake news, so they do the same.
Only when the MSM is stopped will there be any chance of it stopping from other sources. I can't see that happening soon.
Every time someone tries to call it out they are cancelled. Tucker is trying here, lets see what the reaction is.

Tucker Carlson blasts mainstream media for its 'disgusting, corrupting love affair' with Biden​

• Fox News host Tucker Carlson criticized the media's positive take on Biden's relationship with his wife Jill and the lack of negative coverage of his family
• He opened his show Tucker Carlson Tonight on Tuesday with the argument that the mainstream media was 'our most corrupt institution'
• Carlson accused the journalists working at those outlets of telling 'outlandish' lies every day
• He likened Biden's marriage to his wife Jill as a 'PR stunt' and mocked their love story, saying their relationship was 'as real as climate change'
• Carlson used the segment to sarcastically point out how positive the coverage of Biden has been in the mainstream media compared to the Trump administration

Tucker Carlson blasts media's love affair with Joe BIden

Fox News host Tucker Carlson blasted America's mainstream media on Tuesday night, saying it has sunk to a new low with its 'disgusting, corrupting love affair' with President Joe Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[satanoperca]

Tucker Carlson

Before you find anything that swings towards your belief, can you just think about what you are going to post, and do you have a voice or just follow others beliefs (sheepie) - as the only skill I think you have is ctlr+C and ctlr+V, my budgie can do that also.

Fox news and this from wiki page : An advocate of U.S. president Donald Trump, Carlson has been described by Politico as "perhaps the highest-profile proponent of 'Trumpism' and willing to criticize Trump if he strayed from it."

Of cause, he is going to write that crap, like asking the pope to believe in Islam.

 

[dutchie]

Before you find anything that swings towards your belief, can you just think about what you are going to post, and do you have a voice or just follow others beliefs (sheepie) - as the only skill I think you have is ctlr+C and ctlr+V, my budgie can do that also.

Fox news and this from wiki page : An advocate of U.S. president Donald Trump, Carlson has been described by Politico as "perhaps the highest-profile proponent of 'Trumpism' and willing to criticize Trump if he strayed from it."

Of cause, he is going to write that crap, like asking the pope to believe in Islam.

LOL

 

[satanoperca]

LOL

Answered my question, you are a ????

 

[rederob]

Fake news is very harmful to society and I agree with Tucker Carlson that the mainstream media is 'our most corrupt institution'.
The corruption has an affect on elections, who is cancelled and who is not, what news is spread and how.

The MSM is responsible for the proliferation of fake news all over the net, in forums like this one etc (I don't exclude myself). People see the MSM getting away with fake news, so they do the same.
Only when the MSM is stopped will there be any chance of it stopping from other sources. I can't see that happening soon.
Every time someone tries to call it out they are cancelled. Tucker is trying here, lets see what the reaction is.

Tucker Carlson blasts mainstream media for its 'disgusting, corrupting love affair' with Biden​

• Fox News host Tucker Carlson criticized the media's positive take on Biden's relationship with his wife Jill and the lack of negative coverage of his family
• He opened his show Tucker Carlson Tonight on Tuesday with the argument that the mainstream media was 'our most corrupt institution'
• Carlson accused the journalists working at those outlets of telling 'outlandish' lies every day
• He likened Biden's marriage to his wife Jill as a 'PR stunt' and mocked their love story, saying their relationship was 'as real as climate change'
• Carlson used the segment to sarcastically point out how positive the coverage of Biden has been in the mainstream media compared to the Trump administration

Tucker Carlson blasts media's love affair with Joe BIden

Fox News host Tucker Carlson blasted America's mainstream media on Tuesday night, saying it has sunk to a new low with its 'disgusting, corrupting love affair' with President Joe Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There are fact checking sites that prove conclusively that Tucker Carlson has a problem with honesty, while Fox is as reliable as a broken clock.
It seems you, @dutchie, are unable to determine what constitutes "news" as it does actually exist. It is a fact, for example, that "Antifa was responsible" for recent insurrection, as claimed by Donald Trump. That was "newsworthy." It is also a fact that Antifa was responsible according to millions of Trump's supporters. But no credible sources actually make that claim, including most Republican Senators.

In terms of your post, the Daily Mail article is actually called "spin." It is irrelevant as "news" although some of it may be factual. However, so devoid is it of meaningful content that it delved into meaningless associations and personal insults. The clincher came, however, when Carlson claimed that " the human condition" makes us liars. In fact, lying is a learned behaviour - children cannot naturally lie! Carlson seems to be taking his cues from his own proven track record of dishonesty. Here is his most recent gaffe.

 

[Joe Blow]

@dutchie - it would be helpful if you and a few others around here could engage in some discussion and debate of substance. It has been a long time since you have contributed anything other than bile spitting, links to the Daily Mail or Babylon Bee and doctored images.

Are you seriously interested in debating policy issues, or are you just here to wind others up?

 

[dutchie]

Joe Blow,
Its your site. You make the rules.
If you don't like my style I am happy to go.
I definitely would not debate these turkeys. They are as one eyed as I am.
As for winding them up, I am not responsible for their reactions.

 

[Joe Blow]

Joe Blow,
Its your site. You make the rules.
If you don't like my style I am happy to go.
I definitely would not debate these turkeys. They are as one eyed as I am.
As for winding them up, I am not responsible for their reactions.

Something has to be done about the very low level of debate and the toxic atmosphere in political threads.

What I don't want see: links to conspiracy theories, misinformation, doctored images, and general unpleasantness. This applies to both the left and the right.

What I do want to see: constructive, civil, nuanced, thoughtful discussion and debate about issues of substance.

 

[moXJO]

Biden actually stole his wife from a guy that was helping him run for office, then made a fake story of how they met. He also bullshitted during his first presidential run, like his mouth was a dung factory.

Which part was tucker wrong on?

 

[PZ99]

Something has to be done about the very low level of debate and the toxic atmosphere in political threads.

What I don't want see: links to conspiracy theories, misinformation, doctored images, and general unpleasantness. This applies to both the left and the right.

What I do want to see: constructive, civil, nuanced, thoughtful discussion and debate about issues of substance.

You're not going to get any of it from that account Joe.
That and that other conspiracy theorist bloke db008## or whatever its name is.

They are sock puppets for Trumpism and the like... not capable of intellectual debate let alone anything constructive

What makes it sad is they have somehow dragged other posters who previously seemed intelligent down to their level.

That's what makes it so toxic for the site.

 

[Joe Blow]

You're not going to get any of it from that account Joe.
That and that other conspiracy theorist bloke db008## or whatever its name is.

They are sock puppets for Trumpism and the like... not capable of intellectual debate let alone anything constructive

What makes it sad is they have somehow dragged other posters who previously seemed intelligent down to their level.

That's what makes it so toxic for the site.

You're probably right, and that's a shame. I can't believe the way political extremism has sucked people in like a cult. Previously sensible and reasonable people have surrendered reason and independent thought to rigid dogma and black and white thinking and political tribalism.

This has all happened so incrementally that it's difficult to pinpoint exactly when it all began, but 2014/2015 is my best guess. Since then it's been a slow, relentless slide into left and right wing extremism and the sidelining of moderates and centrists.

The world is becoming a nuttier, angrier place. Not sure what to do about it to be honest.

 

[rederob]

Biden actually stole his wife from a guy that was helping him run for office, then made a fake story of how they met. He also bullshitted during his first presidential run, like his mouth was a dung factory.

Which part was tucker wrong on?

You could believe what the individuals recount, or you can keep making up stuff from wherever you get your fake news.
By the way, my link was to a story just after Trump won the Presidency in 2016, and when most people thought Biden would never again run.

@PZ99, the sad reality is that these sock puppets are pasting fake news in a thread about the ills of fake news. No matter how many times they are shown there content is rubbish, they return with more.
If we ignore their tripe then it gains a semblance of legitimacy - the mud thrown that sticks!

 

[basilio]

So back to the topic of seriously Fake News.

One of the most poisonous conspiracy theories is the 5G "is gonna kill us all" meme. So how has the government and Telstra dealt with this expanding problem ?

How governments were left playing catch-up on misinformation​

The growth and spread of misinformation poses a fundamental threat to Australian society, experts say. The government’s cautious approach to countering it won’t work

Australia: fertile ground for misinformation and QAnon
by Christopher Knaus

How governments were left playing catch-up on misinformation

The growth and spread of misinformation poses a fundamental threat to Australian society, experts say. The government’s cautious approach to countering it won’t work

www.theguardian.com

 

[Smurf1976]

Previously sensible and reasonable people have surrendered reason and independent thought to rigid dogma and black and white thinking and political tribalism.

As a general rule I've said I'll avoid political comment on this forum but, given you own it , I'll add something:

A big issue as I perceive is that many simply aren't willing to consider anything they don't agree with. If it challenges their world view then, rather than listen and carefully consider what's being said, the response is to instead silence it.

That seems to be quite a forceful view. It's not a case of simply ignoring that which they disagree with but rather, actively silencing and using force if necessary to do so. Think in terms of academics being effectively shut down at universities simply for making factually correct albeit uncomfortable statements. Think in terms of "cancel culture" and sweeping under the rug anything that they dislike. Think in terms of the reality that science denial has become fashionable. Etc. If what's being said is uncomfortable then shut it down seems to be the response.

By its very nature that creates a self-reinforcing feedback loop with the predictable result being the formation of extreme views.

If someone is to the political Left (or Right) and is only willing to consider Left (or Right) arguments, and simply shuts down anything they disagree with, then any change in their position will only be in the existing direction, they move further to the Left (or Right). End result = extremism.

It's a strange situation really. We've never had so many people with a tertiary education but at the same time we've never had so many with closed, intolerant minds. It seems that instead of learning how to think, many are simply deciding not to think.

That's to the point that there seems to be a fairly common view now among younger people (eg at universities in particular) which is basically that if the if the lecturer says something the student finds offensive, then it's the lecturer's fault - they should have first checked the student's beliefs and ensured that what they said is compatible.

That leaves me..... speechless.

It seems to be true though. It's not my original thought, I saw the comment somewhere else, but so far as I've been able to determine it is largely true. Minds are extremely closed now it seems.

Then there's the problem that some of our institutions whom ought to be leading are rotten to the core unfortunately. A comment I alluded to on the property price thread and which make a bit more sense now in view of recent news items. If only that's all that was wrong and it wasn't far worse.....