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Have no fear, as I have said earlier the baby bombers are back. Like a good stock there will be some retracements in their form, but ultimately there is only one directions this team is going. Premiers 2010 has a good ring to it :)

Seriously there are some good kids, Neagle has shown he can play, one bad game and every one is on his back. One of Essendons problems prior to this year was the lack of a quality back up ruckman, but now with Ryder showing he has the goods, a Hille/Ryder combination will be potent.
 
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I used to play on lonergan back in the mini league - under 12's, the coach had me "tag" him (if you'd call it that in the u12's)

He was a gun midfielder back then, hopefully he'll step it up in the AFL for a regular spot in the midfield. Already showing some potential, plenty of tackles and gets a kick every now and then.
 
sammy84 said:
Have no fear, as I have said earlier the baby bombers are back. Like a good stock there will be some retracements in their form, but ultimately there is only one directions this team is going. Premiers 2010 has a good ring to it :)

Seriously there are some good kids, Neagle has shown he can play, one bad game and every one is on his back. One of Essendons problems prior to this year was the lack of a quality back up ruckman, but now with Ryder showing he has the goods, a Hille/Ryder combination will be potent.
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Hi Sammy

I like your way of thinking!!:) Yes a Hille/Ryder combo would be fantastic to see. 2010 would sit nicely with the 2000 premiership!!

And there are some great kids out there - the "baby bombers" they most certainly are. But fair go in relation to Neagle - "one bad game and everyone is on his back". It's not like I'm bagging him after he's set the world on fire for the past 8 weeks. Over that time he's been "serviceable and promising" at best and "lost and a passenger" at worst. And I get that. He's only young and will continue to be inconsistent.

Hey Beamstas - I will look at you in a whole new light now that I know you were the "go-to shut down man" in the Under 12's!! Brett Kirk eat your heart out.

Duckman
 
Im just waiting for him to be like the next C.Judd or J.Hird, so when the opposition sends in the taggers i can sit back and be like

Pick up your game Cameron Ling.. I did a better job that that! :D :bier:
 
Duckman#72 said:
Hi Sammy

I like your way of thinking!!:) Yes a Hille/Ryder combo would be fantastic to see. 2010 would sit nicely with the 2000 premiership!!
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Imagine when they are changing rucks and either one would be able to drop back into the forward line. This would really create some headaches for opposition.

Duckman#72 said:
And there are some great kids out there - the "baby bombers" they most certainly are. But fair go in relation to Neagle - "one bad game and everyone is on his back". It's not like I'm bagging him after he's set the world on fire for the past 8 weeks. Over that time he's been "serviceable and promising" at best and "lost and a passenger" at worst. And I get that. He's only young and will continue to be inconsistent.
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I agree he hasn't set the world on fire, but what I saw in pre-season gave me enough hope. Funnily enough he reminds me of a young Hille. He has a solid body shape, but seem to not yet be comfortable within himself. I remember Hille in the beginning was this lump of a player, who lacked coordination and agility. I'm hoping this will change as Neagle matures into his body.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Hi realIty,

Some good points there.

Yes Neagle has been susceptible to injury (which Essendon draft picks haven't been!!!), but when it all comes down to it - the Bombers are playing guys that are not match fit.

As much as I find Mick Malthouse a cranky old prick most opf the time - I do find his take on the "injury toll" quite refreshing. If you are one of the 22, then you are fit to play and deemed to be in the best 22 that the club has to offer. Forget the injury list.

Yes, I know we need to "nurse" some of the younger players along. But as a supporter it doesn't make it any easier to watch a young bloke that has no conditioning get beaten to the ball, stop chasing, tackling half heartedly that is taking up a key position spot like Full Forward or Centre Half Forward. You can hide a midfielder or small forward on a flank or pocket but it is much harder to hide a KPP. My point is, when opposition players line up on Neagle they couldn't "give a rats @#$%" whether or not he's had a full pre-season under his belt. If he's out on the park - bloody play football like you mean it!!

Your comment about how important Neagle is going to be is not lost on me. Who have we got? We have LLoyd that plays 1 great game in five, we have Gumbleton who is possibly the greatest player to have only played 4 games of AFL in history:rolleyes:, we have Lucas who has been a wonderful workhorse over his career but time is moving on....... AND we have Neagle - who picked up 3 kicks on the weekend.

You also made a comment that their midfield started roving Ryder and when Lucas/Hooker went into the ruck their midfield got on top. I would have thought that when Lucas went into the ruck, every Essendon midfielder should have been roving to Adelaide. Our players cannot honestly say they thought Lucas was going to win quality ball in the ruck contest? Rove the opponent.

I agree - Fletcher and Lovett-Murray coming back will be good. McVeigh needs to step up to pre-injury form. I hope we sneak into the 8 but it will be hard - and if we do you can bet that the forward line has been working much more effectively in the second half of the year than the first half.

Duckman
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Yes Neagle has been susceptible to injury (which Essendon draft picks haven't been!!!), but when it all comes down to it - the Bombers are playing guys that are not match fit.
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We are not in a position where we can win a flag in the next 2 years, sorry sammy84, and the club is intent on building to a flag, not providing acceptable losses or short term gains.

We are playing young guys to give them the experience they need and to find out if they are good enough to cut the mustard or do we get rid of them and have a lot of draft picks this year before the Gold Coast team join the draft from next year and 2 years later West Sydney come in.

The years to come are going to be very lean pickings for older teams like Sydney, and StKilda and if you are going to lose a few games by playing kids in a year where you have no chance for ultimate success anyway, it may as well be in the last draft where you have some good picks.

We are also playing guys that are not match fit due to our injury list and Malthouse has rarely had an injury list anywhere near ours and ours has been a constant at our club year after year, not for a month at a time.

My point is, when opposition players line up on Neagle they couldn't "give a rats @#$%" whether or not he's had a full pre-season under his belt. If he's out on the park - bloody play football like you mean it!!
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The thing is he has nowhere near the fitness level to play at the intensity you would like to see him at due to his years of doing virtually nothing and his modified training program he is on now. It just will not happen this year and if you want to see that you will be disappointed.

If Neagle wasn't to play, who do you suggest we play instead of him?

We need to be realistic as to where we are as a club.

We have 3 champions on the way out and with no ready made replacements for 2 of them, Lloyd and Lucas.

We have one of the youngest and inexperienced teams taking the field each week, at least we did when Lucas and Fletcher are out, we are missing our first 3 ruckman and have had a lot of our experienced players injured for most of the year.

We have had to pluck Paddy out of our defence and lost Fletch for a descent chunk as well and to make matters worse our best young defender, Hurley, has played one game so far and has spent the rest injured.

We are 5/6 and are still a rough chance to sneak into the 8 so things are not too bad.

Patience is needed and we are building for the future, not the now.
 
"....And Lloyd to pull his f*ckin finger out! He's a liability at the moment. Maybe he should move to CHB?
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This is something you here alot of late and i must disagree. Ok he is'nt kicking bags anymore which is'nt so hard when you have James Hird delivering the ball inside fifty but lets face it HE IS'NT GETTING THE QAULITY OR QUANTITY OF DELIVERY. He is now pushing up the ground alot more and having more of a physical influence across the half forward. By doing this it opens up for the likes of Neagle, Monfries, Davey etc. etc. I think Lloyd is actually playing a role that will pay off in the future. With such a young and exciting side the focus is on building confidence and discipline.That is why Lloyd has taken on a different role and this will lay down the foundation for the future. He is by far the best person to be leading this young team to future success and is far from being a liability.:2twocents

Big up and respect Kennas but must disagree on this mate:)
 
I'm judging Lloyd from an armchair in Peru, so I am probably wrong. I'm only going on all the match reports and stats, which might be deceiving. On the surface his $1m salary (or whatever it is) would be better spent on 2 or 3 forwards who play as a forward kicking goals. He must be the most expensive decoy in the game.
 
Real1ty said:
We are not in a position where we can win a flag in the next 2 years, sorry sammy84, and the club is intent on building to a flag, not providing acceptable losses or short term gains.

If Neagle wasn't to play, who do you suggest we play instead of him?

We need to be realistic as to where we are as a club.

Patience is needed and we are building for the future, not the now.
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Hi Real1ty

I am not arguing with you. I guess I just don't have the patience you do. I wasn't having a go at Neagle's skills - he is a great mark, has good clean hands, is a good kick and has a big strong body. I am just making the comment that as an Essendon supporter it is frustrating watching our forward line at the moment particularly when compared to say .....Adelaide.

Your comments are even worse than they first appear. In 2 years + time when you suggest we are realistically going to be making a play for the flag, who will we have in the forward line? Lloyd and Lucas won't be there. We are pinning our hopes on a kid that may or may not make the grade. I hope he can but I can remember wonderful things said about one Courtney Johns as well not that long ago.

By the way - Ryder out for one week on rough conduct. Just great. Pies gave the Dees a touch up so they will be keen to make amends.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Hi Real1ty

I am not arguing with you. I guess I just don't have the patience you do. I wasn't having a go at Neagle's skills - he is a great mark, has good clean hands, is a good kick and has a big strong body. I am just making the comment that as an Essendon supporter it is frustrating watching our forward line at the moment particularly when compared to say .....Adelaide.

Your comments are even worse than they first appear. In 2 years + time when you suggest we are realistically going to be making a play for the flag, who will we have in the forward line? Lloyd and Lucas won't be there. We are pinning our hopes on a kid that may or may not make the grade. I hope he can but I can remember wonderful things said about one Courtney Johns as well not that long ago.
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Hi Duckman.

I realise you are not arguing with me and we both want the same thing for Essendon and all i am doing is trying to point out where we are as a club and that if you or anyone is expecting success in the next 2 years they are going be disappointed.

We are suffering from Sheedy's short sighted approach in his final years and the drafting of older players instead of kids and hanging onto duds for too long has set us back a long way.

Your comments are even worse than they first appear. In 2 years + time when you suggest we are realistically going to be making a play for the flag, who will we have in the forward line? Lloyd and Lucas won't be there. We are pinning our hopes on a kid that may or may not make the grade.
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This is why we HAVE to play Neagle now and next year if he is fit Gumbleton because even though they may not be physically ready to play, they need the experience and these are the guys, along with Michael Still, who are going to have to step up and be the replacements for Lloyd and Lucas.

Having said that that is the same for every club that has to replace champions, you need your young kids to step up and if they don't make the grade then you are in trouble.

This draft is very important and we need to draft well as after this one with GC and WS coming in, picks are going to be very few and far between in the next 5+ years.

Our biggest problem has been every year we get smashed by injuries and when that happens to your young players, they don't get the experience they need and we don't get enough of a look at them to know whether we should keep them or get rid of them.

We have a lot of young talent on our list but young players are inconsistent hence so are young teams and that's what we are, a young developing team who needs to learn how to play after Lloyd and Lucas are gone.
 
Gee, it doesn't take you Essendon boys long.

Was a very good win by the Bombers last night. They look to be building a very good team.
The defence looks like it will be okay once Fletcher finally gives it up with Pears, Hooker and Hurley and the midfield is starting to look dangerous with players like Stanton, Watson, Prismal, Lovett as well as Welsh and McVeigh (if he ever stops getting injured) and a good ruck division once Hill comes back.

The only thing they need now is a key forward to take over from Llyod & Lucas.

Essendon seem to be able to get healthy contributions from their lesser known players which you need to be a good team. And they look a better team without Jetta:p:

Carlton on the other hand are overrated - take out Judd, Gibbs & Murphy and maybe Fev on his day and thay are a bunch of cats imo. They don't seem to have enough players willing to do the hard work and alot of players go missing when the going gets tough. The way they capitulated in the second half last night was disgraceful.
 
nomore4s said:
Carlton on the other hand are overrated - take out Judd, Gibbs & Murphy and maybe Fev on his day and thay are a bunch of cats imo. They don't seem to have enough players willing to do the hard work and alot of players go missing when the going gets tough. The way they capitulated in the second half last night was disgraceful.
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Geelong are a bunch of 'cats' and I wouldn't mind being them. ;)

Great win by the Bombers. If we can do it again next week, my year would be perfect :D
 
I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves.

Do you think the boys are overachieving?

Agree with nomore on the forward line set up.

Maybe having Ryder and Hille down there changing in the ruck will be nice next year, but what else? Neagle? Those whippets are good value around their feet I suppose. HTF did Monfries kick 5?
 
nomore4s said:
Essendon seem to be able to get healthy contributions from their lesser known players which you need to be a good team. And they look a better team without Jetta:p:
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Thankyou Nomores - I've been sprouting team balance without Jetta for months. Glad you noticed!!

For all the No 1 Draft picks - I wouldn't trade our young blokes. But we need to back it up against Collingwood now. It was only a month ago we were saying where is our depth. Now everyone seems to be saying look how much depth Essendon has.

When you consider that last night Zaharakis, Houli, McPhee, McVeigh, Neagle and Slattery were watching on, it is pleasing. Also considering Hille, Gumbleton, Myers, Laycock and Bellchambers are long term injury listed it was impressive.

Big game for your blokes this week Nomores. They need to put the hand up. I need them to win to get the perfect round. I don't think the Pies over Freo will be lay down either!!

Duckman
 
kennas said:
Those whippets are good value around their feet I suppose. HTF did Monfries kick 5?
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Great opportunist goals. Although he took a couple marks from strong leads. For his size he is good overhead - although there is a touch of Matty Lloyd about his "dives" lately.

Lovatt BOG for mine easy. And Davey - he might only get 10 possessions but he causes so much opposition turnover....and COSTLY turnover.

Duckman
 
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