Value Collector
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VC so the coal you burn to charge was under your charger
it was 2000, at the time in Qld lots of ampol/caltex were privately owned “distributorships”, I don’t know if they still operate this way.
However, the constant up selling pretty much every servo does to his day tells me things haven’t changed much, and the margins on fuel wafer thin at the retail end.
Fuel is about 85% of there revenue
One day you’ll understand cashflow
and as discussed before , it is actually a battle of centralised toward..potentially..decentralised source of energy; governments and corporates would probably prefer hydrogen fuel for that reason..This will be the big battle in the EV market in the future I reckon.
Batteries vs Hydrogen Fuel Cells.
Completely different model, they make money selling memberships.Let's use Costco for an example lol
What and Woolworths and Coles don'tCompletely different model, they make money selling memberships.
but anyway, this is off topic.
Completely different model, they make money selling memberships.
but anyway, this is off topic.
Well strictly speaking I could say there's no coal at all used for power in the NT although someone would then probably point out that it's technically not a state.3, worst case scenario 100% coal doesn’t exist in any state of Australia, all states have a mix of renewables, gas and coal.
So redo the computation with these figures, proper ones, and add battery production costs..i mean nickel etc per year usageYou factored in distribution losses already in regards to the ev.
Your model is basically comparing the worst case scenario Eg. 100% coal vs petrol that magically appears at the car with no prior energy losses.
You are ignoring the fact that
1. a large chunk of each barrel of oil is lost in the making of the petrol/diesel components.
2. refining that petrol/diesel requires about 1Kwh of electricity per liter of petrol produced, and that electricity itself could be used to charge cars.
3, worst case scenario 100% coal doesn’t exist in any state of Australia, all states have a mix of renewables, gas and coal.
So redo the computation with these figures, proper ones, and add battery production costs..i mean nickel etc per year usage
Get the coal percentage in your grid, it costs to get coal to the power plant too, even more to import NG from shale as per Victoria model get
figures roughly and honestly
then we can have a debate and facts, no preconceived idea
You start here by
I can not be wrong, his diesel ute can not possibly create less co2 than me..never good to fell conned i know..
Lets start anew
Give me facts and we can end up with
In 2020, in tasmania buy a Tesla, not in qld..etc etc
That is where this thread should be
No rush, we all have busy lives
Please factor the fact my ute will still be running after 500k km
Or lets use the Commodore if you want to
An ugly car i would never buy and see as worst case scenario for an ice but lets get figure and facts..not links
What and Woolworths and Coles don't
Try going outside more and have a look around
again you have lost me.
your original point was that fuel makes up a large portion of “revenue”.
my point was that “revenue” and profit are different things.
Eg. Where a company makes its “profit” is more important than where it’s largest revenue is.
You could sell petrol at break even if you thought it would help you sell more cigarettes and snack foods.
hence the reason some businesses provide free car charging to bring in customers.
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