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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.9%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.8%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.9%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.2%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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Spot on smurf, fortunately, I think behind the scenes a lot is happening, but as with everything this big there is a considerable lead time.
 
I know the term Engineer gets thrown around pretty loosely these days
Don’t start me on the freshly graduated
 

Rivian EV truck vs cybertruck...
Imagine the doughnuts with 4 independent motors
Or the results on the highway when one locks:(
 
I can lock all wheels one side on my tractor and this is already cool, so imagine on these trucks
Any independent motor per wheel can do it easily, just a bit worried of the mechanical de-connection between 2 wheels on the same axle (if there is such a thing anymore in that case)
What happens when anything locks..but if you use this for parking, or show off, it is unbeatable, or even off road going up some very steep rock hill, adjusting heading by locking more or less one side
Anyway, not sure I will even be able to afford one
 
Humid said:
I know the term Engineer gets thrown around pretty loosely these days
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It does but then so do most terms although I do agree that ideally that wouldn't be the case.

For clarity, with reference to my previous post I'm using the term "engineer" to refer to those whose primary concern in regard to the subject is the technical and engineering aspects and I'm using the "environmentalist" tag to refer to those primarily concerned about the environment.

In both cases that includes those who aren't actually engineers or who couldn't really be described as environmentalists but their views align with that group. It's good enough in the context given the apparent lack of a better term to use. :2twocents
 
SirRumpole said:
So do you have to take it to a dealer every year for service and if so, how much does it cost ?
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The only annual thing is “clean and lubricate” brake calipers, I am guessing that can be carried out pretty easily by any brake guy for very little, or if you are handy you could probably do it yourself.

But yeah you could take it back to Tesla and they would do it, or they can send out a mobile repairman.
 
Humid said:
I know the term Engineer gets thrown around pretty loosely these days
Don’t start me on the freshly graduated
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Very true, so does the term tradesman, builder, etc. Since competence standards have been introduced, just about anything relating to engineering and engineering trades has seen a decline.IMO
 
https://interestingengineering.com/...vs-are-worse-for-environment-than-diesel-cars
Another unpleasant relative truth
Which will probably offend the facebook sphere
I have not a single doubt that the best for the planet is for me to add 500k kms to my aging but maintained diesel ute instead of buying a cybertruck tomorrow.
Nor do i believe that buying a Tesla in Australia if charging it on the grid is helpful to co2 emission, now or even at any time during the current car life.
We are in an age of pretence, and while i would like an EV for the fun of it all, the technology,etc i dread the time when we will subsidise them for our local council cars recharged each night
In a way, the Chinese way once again makes sense: use them for local urban cleaner air, stop the pretense about saving the world
 
qldfrog said:
https://interestingengineering.com/...vs-are-worse-for-environment-than-diesel-cars
Another unpleasant relative truth
Which will probably offend the facebook sphere
I have not a single doubt that the best for the planet is for me to add 500k kms to my aging but maintained diesel ute instead of buying a cybertruck tomorrow.
Nor do i believe that buying a Tesla in Australia if charging it on the grid is helpful to co2 emission, now or even at any time during the current car life.
We are in an age of pretence, and while i would like an EV for the fun of it all, the technology,etc i dread the time when we will subsidise them for our local council cars recharged each night
In a way, the Chinese way once again makes sense: use them for local urban cleaner air, stop the pretense about saving the world
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From the article:

"Mazda has based its figures on 2016 European electricity generation averages and together with their assumption of the energy mix not changing significantly in the near future, their claims lack any depth and structure. In-depth studies are needed to make such general statements."

Look, I am probably going to be buying an Asian sardine can to replace an old nissan pulsar in the near future and it is likely going to be a cheap Hyundi i30 or Toyota Yaris or similar ICB petrol.

I do expect, however, that the next time we renew that car in another ten or fifteen years time (2030-2035) that:
  1. 1. It will be EV;
  2. I will most likely storing most of the electricity from my own residential PV installation in battery and consuming only renewable electricity; and
  3. For the sake of all life on the planet, domestic electricity is predominantly generated from renewable sources.
The economics are not there just yet for the above to occur but they are certain to evolve.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most people in the world do not commute the way we do sprawled out in our suburbs.

Furthermore, technology is going to rapidly revolutionise every aspect of our transportation systems. I have to laugh at the billions of dollars and the massive disruption to local business that the NSW government just wasted on pushing through an old fashioned tram line in Sydney with steel rails on the ground and wires strung from poles overhead. Technology is going to make those rails and wires completely redundant in very short time.
 
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tinhat said:
From the article:

"Mazda has based its figures on 2016 European electricity generation averages and together with their assumption of the energy mix not changing significantly in the near future, their claims lack any depth and structure. In-depth studies are needed to make such general statements."

Look, I am probably going to be buying an Asian sardine can to replace an old nissan pulsar in the near future and it is likely going to be a cheap Hyundi i30 or Toyota Yaris or similar ICB petrol.

I do expect, however, that the next time we renew that car in another ten or fifteen years time (2030-2035) that:
  1. 1. It will be EV;
  2. I will most likely storing most of the electricity from my own residential PV installation in battery and consuming only renewable electricity; and
  3. For the sake of all life on the planet, domestic electricity is predominantly generated from renewable sources.
The economics are not there just yet for the above to occur but they are certain to evolve.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most people in the world do not commute the way we do sprawled out in our suburbs.

Furthermore, technology is going to rapidly revolutionise every aspect of our transportation systems. I have to laugh at the billions of dollars and the massive disruption to local business that the NSW government just wasted on pushing through an old fashioned tram line in Sydney with steel rails on the ground and wires strung from poles overhead. Technology is going to make those rails and wires completely redundant in very short time.
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Do not take me wrong fully agree, this is definitely part of the future, but i would like a bit of realism in the black and white statement we are brainwashed with
Ideally i have a small ev car:
I30 size for local commut8ng and shopping recharged on my own solar during the day as i am not working anymore
If on the other end, you are parking daily in the cbd or a train station, want to show off with a big suv suv toorak tractor
And having a suv when you could have a mini will still make it an environmental nightmare electric or not

Stick to diesel and do not pretend to care about the environment
The number of local mums in landcruiser.. petrol...bringing kids to the climate march does not leave much hope for mankind
 
tinhat said:
From the article:

"Mazda has based its figures on 2016 European electricity generation averages and together with their assumption of the energy mix not changing significantly in the near future, their claims lack any depth and structure. In-depth studies are needed to make such general statements."

Look, I am probably going to be buying an Asian sardine can to replace an old nissan pulsar in the near future and it is likely going to be a cheap Hyundi i30 or Toyota Yaris or similar ICB petrol.

I do expect, however, that the next time we renew that car in another ten or fifteen years time (2030-2035) that:
  1. 1. It will be EV;
  2. I will most likely storing most of the electricity from my own residential PV installation in battery and consuming only renewable electricity; and
  3. For the sake of all life on the planet, domestic electricity is predominantly generated from renewable sources.
The economics are not there just yet for the above to occur but they are certain to evolve.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most people in the world do not commute the way we do sprawled out in our suburbs.

Furthermore, technology is going to rapidly revolutionise every aspect of our transportation systems. I have to laugh at the billions of dollars and the massive disruption to local business that the NSW government just wasted on pushing through an old fashioned tram line in Sydney with steel rails on the ground and wires strung from poles overhead. Technology is going to make those rails and wires completely redundant in very short time.
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About the tram, building tram lines on rail has been obsolete for the last 50y or so in Europe, we are just backward..
 
qldfrog said:
About the tram, building tram lines on rail has been obsolete for the last 50y or so in Europe, we are just backward..
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I don't think that is true.
I was in France 8 years ago and they had built tram lines into many of their medium sized cities and banned cars.

You parked at the edge of the historical precinct in multi story car parks and took a tram into the city. The parking was free if you had a tram ticket. I believe Germany does the same thing. They were recently built.
 
Knobby22 said:
I don't think that is true.
I was in France 8 years ago and they had built tram lines into many of their medium sized cities and banned cars.

You parked at the edge of the historical precinct in multi story car parks and took a tram into the city. The parking was free if you had a tram ticket. I believe Germany does the same thing. They were recently built.
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Tram on rail was the obsolete side:
Unable to brake quickly, unable to avoid even small obstructions, all the new trams i remember seing in europe were on wheels
 
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